MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[calvinite]

.... the Hope/Kazoo womens game last night, the ball went out of bounds under the Kazoo basket and it's Hope ball. 

So, did the refs give the ball to the wrong team (Kazoo), or was it really Kazoo's ball and they just went in the wrong direction?

[ziggy]

.... the Hope/Kazoo womens game last night, the ball went out of bounds under the Kazoo basket and it's Hope ball. 

So, did the refs give the ball to the wrong team (Kazoo), or was it really Kazoo's ball and they just went in the wrong direction?

[Roundball999]

.... the Hope/Kazoo womens game last night, the ball went out of bounds under the Kazoo basket and it's Hope ball. 

So, did the refs give the ball to the wrong team (Kazoo), or was it really Kazoo's ball and they just went in the wrong direction?

I was Hope's ball, refs gave it to the wrong team.  I'd give Kzoo credit for pulling a fast one on the refs by stepping into position to receive the inbounds ball from the ref - except they then went in the wrong direction

[scottiedawg]

SAC, and/or other posters mentioned teams hitting a brick wall. With Calvin in the top 25, I actually looked at the D3hoops rankings and noticed numerous top 25 teams lost since last Monday's rankings were posted. Don't know if these teams necessarily hit a brick wall.... But 6 of the top 25 lost games this week, and that doesn't include this weekend's games where several more top 25 teams will likely lose (in several cases, they play each other).

Here are the 6 that lost: 1. St. Thomas,  5. North Central (Ill), 9. Williams, 13. UW-Whitewater, 18. Albertus Magnus, 20. Stevens. And, these top 25 teams play each other this weekend: Middlebury plays Williams, North Central plays Wheaton, Brandeis plays Rochester, and several other top 25 teams play some pretty tough competition. Even though a couple of the teams that already lost are in the list of teams that play other top 25 teams, it seems quite possible, if not likely, that there will be another 4 or 5 loses before Monday. It will be interesting, if nothing else, to see what the standings look like next week and how that affects Calvin's (and possibly Adrian's) rankings – who, of course, also play each other this weekend.

We're in conference play now, which means much tougher games than most teams' non-conf schedules. North Central lost AT #16 Illinois Wesleyan. Williams lost AT #14 Amherst, UW-Whitewater lost AT #7 UWSP, St. Thomas, Albertus Magnus and Stevens all lost road games. Currently I have a hard time seeing Williams or UW-W drop below Calvin. Add to that IWU and Amherst (both already ahead of Calvin), won huge games.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

He says "the hay is in the barn".

The Baltimore Ravens PBP guy says this and it drives me INSANE!

[maroonandgold]

I just finished reading a very well-written article in the Grand Rapids Press about Hope's win and the fact that they now own sole possession of second place in the MIAA.  But, after looking through the paper twice, I still failed to find a mention of Calvin's win and completion of the first round of play undefeated in the league.  Did I just miss seeing an article, or is Calvin's publicity department failing to provide information in a timely fashion?  I really appreciate coverage in the local paper, but I suspect that the articles have to be provided for their editors since there have been so many cuts of the paper's staff.

[oldknight]

I just finished reading a very well-written article in the Grand Rapids Press about Hope's win and the fact that they now own sole possession of second place in the MIAA.  But, after looking through the paper twice, I still failed to find a mention of Calvin's win and completion of the first round of play undefeated in the league.  Did I just miss seeing an article, or is Calvin's publicity department failing to provide information in a timely fashion?  I really appreciate coverage in the local paper, but I suspect that the articles have to be provided for their editors since there have been so many cuts of the paper's staff.

So many cuts, in fact, that mlive simply pulls over the game report from Calvin's website:

http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2013/01/calvin_mens_basketball_perfect.html

Sure would be nice if Mitch got paid for this. I know an attorney.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

Side note - strangest thing I think I've ever seen during a basketball game. 

During the 2nd half of the Hope/Kazoo womens game last night, the ball went out of bounds under the Kazoo basket and it's Hope ball.  Time-Out.  Hope subs in 5 new players.  Coming out of the time out, the Kazoo players step in to inbound the ball, the ref gives them the ball, and they inbound, go down the court (the WRONG way), and despite the defense played by the Dutch, get an easy basket (in Hope's basket). 

At this point there is a slight buzz in the crowd, but Hope inbounds the ball and starts down the floor.  Now some of us in the crowd are yelling at the officials that they are going the wrong way.  Hope brings the ball to the front-court and Brittany Berry has the ball for Hope.  She turns to the closest official with a big smile on her face and says something like "That's not our basket". 

Play stops, the officials huddle, then talk to both coaches for several minutes (during which coach Mo has his hands over his face - most likely so we can't see how hard he is laughing).  So they finally make a decision.  The 2 points for the basket is given to Hope, and Kazoo is given the ball out of bounds (just like Hope had made a basket).  So while the final score of the game was Hope 90, Kazoo 38 - Kazoo actually scored 40 points.   

That can't be the right way to handle it.  Either you have to say A) we made a mistake and it should have been Hope's ball to inbound, so let's have a "do over" and act like it didn't happen, or B) you let it play out, and as soon as Kzoo crossed midcourt, it should have been an over-and-back violation, before they had a chance to score the basket for Hope.  Either way, it seems the basket should not have counted for either team.  It would have been high comedy to see Kalamazoo's coach declare the game played under protest. 

[jfebus]

Maroon and Gold: you will see the Calvin story on the local Mlive site at: http://www.mlive.com/sports/grand-rapids/

The direct link to the story is at: http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2013/01/calvin_mens_basketball_perfect.html#incart_river

Nearly all of the local West Michigan colleges and universities now have an agreement with Mlive to post content on days/nights when Mlive does not staff their game events. We also post the same story from our website to the D3hoops.com site as well.

JF

[jfebus]

Actually OldKnight - an attorney on both sides of the coin (Mlive and Calvin) wrote up the agreement. We'll leave the details out of it.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Side note - strangest thing I think I've ever seen during a basketball game. 

During the 2nd half of the Hope/Kazoo womens game last night, the ball went out of bounds under the Kazoo basket and it's Hope ball.  Time-Out.  Hope subs in 5 new players.  Coming out of the time out, the Kazoo players step in to inbound the ball, the ref gives them the ball, and they inbound, go down the court (the WRONG way), and despite the defense played by the Dutch, get an easy basket (in Hope's basket). 

At this point there is a slight buzz in the crowd, but Hope inbounds the ball and starts down the floor.  Now some of us in the crowd are yelling at the officials that they are going the wrong way.  Hope brings the ball to the front-court and Brittany Berry has the ball for Hope.  She turns to the closest official with a big smile on her face and says something like "That's not our basket". 

Play stops, the officials huddle, then talk to both coaches for several minutes (during which coach Mo has his hands over his face - most likely so we can't see how hard he is laughing).  So they finally make a decision.  The 2 points for the basket is given to Hope, and Kazoo is given the ball out of bounds (just like Hope had made a basket).  So while the final score of the game was Hope 90, Kazoo 38 - Kazoo actually scored 40 points.   

That can't be the right way to handle it.  Either you have to say A) we made a mistake and it should have been Hope's ball to inbound, so let's have a "do over" and act like it didn't happen, or B) you let it play out, and as soon as Kzoo crossed midcourt, it should have been an over-and-back violation, before they had a chance to score the basket for Hope.  Either way, it seems the basket should not have counted for either team.  It would have been high comedy to see Kalamazoo's coach declare the game played under protest.

My initial thought was it was the officials mistake and correctable (I think a "correctable" mistake is supposed to be corrected).  So put the time back where it was, and start over again.  But then everyone was so shocked it happened, and the game was already so out of hand  (Hope was up 56-13 at the time) it really made no difference.  And I'll bet none of the officials had ever faced that situation before.

[sac]

Adrian's Sean Gallant had himself a memorable game last night, 1 point, 10 rebounds.

Not often you see someone fall 9 points shy of a double-double.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

Adrian's Sean Gallant had himself a memorable game last night, 1 point, 10 rebounds.

Not often you see someone fall 9 points shy of a double-double.

....and congrats on 10k posts, sac

[sac]

standings with +/-........+1 for road wins/-1 for home losses

Calvin          7-0        +4
Hope           5-2        +2
Adrian          4-3         0
Trine           4-3         0
Alma           3-4         -1
Olivet          3-4         -1
Kzoo           2-5         -1
Albion         0-7         -3


What's left

Adrian:    CALVIN, @Hope, @Trine, OLIVET, @Alma, @Kzoo, ALBION
Albion:     OLIVET, @Calvin, @Hope, TRINE, KZOO, ALMA, @Adrian
Alma:     HOPE,@Trine, @Olivet, CALVIN, ADRIAN, @Albion, @Kzoo
Calvin:    @Adrian, ALBION, KZOO, @Alma, @Hope, TRINE, OLIVET
Hope:    @Alma, ADRIAN, ALBION, @Kzoo, CALVIN, OLIVET, @Trine
Kzoo:    TRINE, @Olivet, @Calvin, HOPE, @Albion, ADRIAN, ALMA
Olivet:    @Albion, KZOO, ALMA, @Adrian, TRINE, @Hope, @Calvin
Trine:    @Kzoo, ALMA, ADRIAN, @Albion, @Olivet, @Calvin, HOPE

Adrian and Alma have two difficult weeks coming up that will impact their chances and standing for the MIAA tournament greatly.  Olivet has a chance for 3 wins that they'll need because their finish is pretty brutal.

So far home teams are 20-8, I suspect we might see a few more road victories this half of the schedule.

[almcguirejr]

Side note - strangest thing I think I've ever seen during a basketball game. 

During the 2nd half of the Hope/Kazoo womens game last night, the ball went out of bounds under the Kazoo basket and it's Hope ball.  Time-Out.  Hope subs in 5 new players.  Coming out of the time out, the Kazoo players step in to inbound the ball, the ref gives them the ball, and they inbound, go down the court (the WRONG way), and despite the defense played by the Dutch, get an easy basket (in Hope's basket). 

At this point there is a slight buzz in the crowd, but Hope inbounds the ball and starts down the floor.  Now some of us in the crowd are yelling at the officials that they are going the wrong way.  Hope brings the ball to the front-court and Brittany Berry has the ball for Hope.  She turns to the closest official with a big smile on her face and says something like "That's not our basket". 

Play stops, the officials huddle, then talk to both coaches for several minutes (during which coach Mo has his hands over his face - most likely so we can't see how hard he is laughing).  So they finally make a decision.  The 2 points for the basket is given to Hope, and Kazoo is given the ball out of bounds (just like Hope had made a basket).  So while the final score of the game was Hope 90, Kazoo 38 - Kazoo actually scored 40 points.   

That can't be the right way to handle it.  Either you have to say A) we made a mistake and it should have been Hope's ball to inbound, so let's have a "do over" and act like it didn't happen, or B) you let it play out, and as soon as Kzoo crossed midcourt, it should have been an over-and-back violation, before they had a chance to score the basket for Hope.  Either way, it seems the basket should not have counted for either team.  It would have been high comedy to see Kalamazoo's coach declare the game played under protest.

My initial thought was it was the officials mistake and correctable (I think a "correctable" mistake is supposed to be corrected).  So put the time back where it was, and start over again.  But then everyone was so shocked it happened, and the game was already so out of hand  (Hope was up 56-13 at the time) it really made no difference.  And I'll bet none of the officials had ever faced that situation before.

HCG - The Women's rules do not include a 10 second rule or an over and back violation.

FDF - This did not meet the criteria of a correctable error.  There are 5:

Four are free throw errors and the other is a scoring error.
1. The failure to award a merited free throw (2-10-1a)
2. The awarding of an unmerited free throw (2-10-1b)
3. Permitting a wrong player to attempt a free throw (2-10-1c)
4. Attempting a free throw at the worng basket (2-10-1d)
5. Erroneously counting or canceling a score (2-10-1e)

The officials made a serious mistake in giving the ball to Kazoo.  They did award the 2 points correctly to Hope.  I am not sure how the officials justified awarding the ball to Kalamazoo after the discussion.  Hope had possession of the ball when an officials time out occurred and had not committed any violations.