MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Flying Dutch Fan]

My apologies...he's not even a homeless or even comatose Drew! Let alone "a poor mans".  About that sg that needed a change of diapers?  I'm just going off of an urban legend floating around town and cannot verify the validity, so I'll refrain from using his name.  Guess thats where ill draw the line..  I can say, without question that BP has had a better collegiate career than him...where did that kid end up,again?

You have a line?  I thought that was the urban legend.

[hoopdreams]

 

[Adrian Bulldawg Alum]

1st...

I was gone Saturday so I could not watch Adrian play Calvin, but it sounds like they played very tough and almost handed Calvin a MIAA loss, but came up short in the end.  This is the benefit of having Mark White's defensive intensive style where they can play with a team like Calvin very close even though they are outsized.

Stats wise, it's very close and without seeing the score, it would be hard to tell who won.  To me, this is the continuation of Adrian turning around their season from their struggles early on.  Adrian has a very important game at Hope coming up and a win vs. them would be big, but I don't think it's necessary...

[almcguirejr]

Here is a link to see Powell's winning shot from last night.  The game winning sequence starts with about 3 minutes from the end of the video.

http://adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-baskbl/stream

The foul call on Rietema on the preceding play looks weak.

[Adrian Bulldawg Alum]

standings with +/-........+1 for road wins/-1 for home losses

Calvin          8-0        +5
Hope           6-2        +3
Trine           5-3         +1
Adrian          4-4         -1
Olivet          3-5         -1
Alma           3-5         -2
Kzoo           2-6         -2
Albion         1-7         -3

Home teams now 21-11


What's left

Adrian:    @Hope, @Trine, OLIVET, @Alma, @Kzoo, ALBION
Albion:    @Calvin, @Hope, TRINE, KZOO, ALMA, @Adrian
Alma:     @Trine, @Olivet, CALVIN, ADRIAN, @Albion, @Kzoo
Calvin:    ALBION, KZOO, @Alma, @Hope, TRINE, OLIVET
Hope:     ADRIAN, ALBION, @Kzoo, CALVIN, OLIVET, @Trine
Kzoo:     @Olivet, @Calvin, HOPE, @Albion, ADRIAN, ALMA
Olivet:    KZOO, ALMA, @Adrian, TRINE, @Hope, @Calvin
Trine:     ALMA, ADRIAN, @Albion, @Olivet, @Calvin, HOPE

As far as the tournament goes I like Trine's position, the overall schedule is more in their favor to be among the top four going into their last 2 games, esp. if they beat Adrian next Saturday at home.  Adrian has much work to do and really need to win one of their next two road games otherwise they could get drawn into a real battle with Alma or Olivet for the 4th spot.  Olivet's next two games are simply must wins given their finish.

Not ignoring Wed's games or the results but it looks like next Saturday is the key day for positioning into the stretch run with Adrian/Trine and Alma/Olivet playing each other.

If we gave next week to the home teams Trine would have a 2 game lead for the 3rd spot with 4 to play and Adrian would be 3 back of 3rd.

2nd...

I disagree Sac that Trine is in a better position than Adrian.  Mostly, it's because Trine has to play Hope and Calvin still AND, I simply think Adrian is better and will beat Trine for a 2nd time when they play each other again.  Adrian could lose to a team other than Hope, but so could Trine.  I see Trine losing 3 games in those and Adrian loses 2.

I think it is very important that this happen if Adrian wants to make it to the NCAA playoffs because the 3 seed would get them a better shot because they could avoid Calvin until the finals.  I know this is both early and presumptious, but, such is life...and sports.

This is also not a knock on Hope.  I still think they are right behind Calvin (and as Hope fans have stated, they believe this is a lesser Hope team than their past teams), but as an Adrian fan and someone looking at results, I rather play Hope in the semi's than Calvin (where Adrian would still be an underdog to Hope).  Also, I think just losing 2 games and getting to the MIAA finals would be enough to get Adrian there.  Sorry, I don't have the Massey or RPI or whatever math you guys use.  But, I think it would happen.

Go Bulldogs!

[neilrocks]

To me, this is the continuation of Adrian turning around their season from their struggles early on.  Adrian has a very important game at Hope coming up and a win vs. them would be big, but I don't think it's necessary...

ABA - can u clarify ur above statement?  If I remember correctly, Adrian started the season 10-0 and was ranked in the top 10.  They also beat currently ranked top 10 Wooster.  Doesn't seem like they had early season struggles.

The losses did not occur until the MIAA season, of which, 3 of those are to the top 2 teams in the MIAA.

Hopefully, that means the top of the MIAA is strong this year and maybe could lead to a pool C bid.

But, I don't believe Adrian had early season struggles.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I would assume he meant early conference season struggles.  They actually started 11-0, then started the conference season 1-3.

[Adrian Bulldawg Alum]

I would assume he meant early conference season struggles.  They actually started 11-0, then started the conference season 1-3.

This is what I meant.  Thanks Ypsi.  As soon as I posted it, I wondered if it would be misconstrued.  Apologies, but yes, the struggles in the MIAA.  And though 2 of the 3 losses were to Hope and Calvin, I think they underperformed.  I saw both those games and the offenses were stagnant and just poorly played overall in my opinion.

[realist]

I would assume he meant early conference season struggles.  They actually started 11-0, then started the conference season 1-3.

This is what I meant.  Thanks Ypsi.  As soon as I posted it, I wondered if it would be misconstrued.  Apologies, but yes, the struggles in the MIAA.  And though 2 of the 3 losses were to Hope and Calvin, I think they underperformed.  I saw both those games and the offenses were stagnant and just poorly played overall in my opinion.

Perhaps it was the Hope defense, and the Calvin defense that was the cause of the stagnant Adrian offense.    

[sflzman]

I would assume he meant early conference season struggles.  They actually started 11-0, then started the conference season 1-3.

This is what I meant.  Thanks Ypsi.  As soon as I posted it, I wondered if it would be misconstrued.  Apologies, but yes, the struggles in the MIAA.  And though 2 of the 3 losses were to Hope and Calvin, I think they underperformed.  I saw both those games and the offenses were stagnant and just poorly played overall in my opinion.

Perhaps it was the Hope defense, and the Calvin defense that was the cause of the stagnant Adrian offense.   

But to his point Adrian is a blown intentional foul (non)call and a 30 foot made jumper away from being sub .500 in the conference and being on the outside looking in of the playoff picture at the halfway point.

[almcguirejr]

I would assume he meant early conference season struggles.  They actually started 11-0, then started the conference season 1-3.

This is what I meant.  Thanks Ypsi.  As soon as I posted it, I wondered if it would be misconstrued.  Apologies, but yes, the struggles in the MIAA.  And though 2 of the 3 losses were to Hope and Calvin, I think they underperformed.  I saw both those games and the offenses were stagnant and just poorly played overall in my opinion.

Perhaps it was the Hope defense, and the Calvin defense that was the cause of the stagnant Adrian offense.   

It is difficult for me to determine if Adrian's offense is deliberate or stagnant.

[neilrocks]

2nd...

I disagree Sac that Trine is in a better position than Adrian.  Mostly, it's because Trine has to play Hope and Calvin still AND, I simply think Adrian is better and will beat Trine for a 2nd time when they play each other again.  Adrian could lose to a team other than Hope, but so could Trine.  I see Trine losing 3 games in those and Adrian loses 2.

I think it is very important that this happen if Adrian wants to make it to the NCAA playoffs because the 3 seed would get them a better shot because they could avoid Calvin until the finals.  I know this is both early and presumptious, but, such is life...and sports.

This is also not a knock on Hope.  I still think they are right behind Calvin (and as Hope fans have stated, they believe this is a lesser Hope team than their past teams), but as an Adrian fan and someone looking at results, I rather play Hope in the semi's than Calvin (where Adrian would still be an underdog to Hope).  Also, I think just losing 2 games and getting to the MIAA finals would be enough to get Adrian there.  Sorry, I don't have the Massey or RPI or whatever math you guys use.  But, I think it would happen.

Go Bulldogs!

Interesting perspective and I understand your feelings and logic.  However, it got me thinking about Pool C and what the chances are for Hope and Adrian (assuming Calvin wins the MIAA tourney, which they will be the favorite to do).

I know SOS, in-region, all that stuff comes into play.  However, I looked at just the big picture and I think it is interesting and telling.

Hope is 10-8 (exclude College of The Faith), their 10 wins come from opponents whose overall record is 98-96, .505. Their 8 losses come from opponents whose overall record is 111-49, .694.  For this discussion, I view a quality win for Hope as Aurora (15-5) and Adrian (15-4).

Adrian is 15-4, their 15 wins come from opponents whose overall record is 114-187, .379.  Their 4 losses come from opponents whose overall record is 52-23, .693.  For this discussion, I view a quality win for Adrian as Wooster.

Throw out the Trine wins for each, the Olivet losses for each.

I believe, despite 4 of Hope's losses coming to Calvin, North Central, Wheaton and Ill Wesleyan (all teams who most likely will make the tourney), they stand a tough road getting in, without the MIAA tourney trophy.

I believe, based on this it will be next to impossible for Adrian to get in, unless they win the MIAA tourney.  I don't see how they can garner enough evidence, unless they win out.

My opinion only, but I think, we as MIAA fans, better HOPE, someone besides Calvin wins the MIAA tourney, if we HOPE to have two dancing.

[ziggy]

2nd...

I disagree Sac that Trine is in a better position than Adrian.  Mostly, it's because Trine has to play Hope and Calvin still AND, I simply think Adrian is better and will beat Trine for a 2nd time when they play each other again.  Adrian could lose to a team other than Hope, but so could Trine.  I see Trine losing 3 games in those and Adrian loses 2.

I think it is very important that this happen if Adrian wants to make it to the NCAA playoffs because the 3 seed would get them a better shot because they could avoid Calvin until the finals.  I know this is both early and presumptious, but, such is life...and sports.

This is also not a knock on Hope.  I still think they are right behind Calvin (and as Hope fans have stated, they believe this is a lesser Hope team than their past teams), but as an Adrian fan and someone looking at results, I rather play Hope in the semi's than Calvin (where Adrian would still be an underdog to Hope).  Also, I think just losing 2 games and getting to the MIAA finals would be enough to get Adrian there.  Sorry, I don't have the Massey or RPI or whatever math you guys use.  But, I think it would happen.

Go Bulldogs!

Interesting perspective and I understand your feelings and logic.  However, it got me thinking about Pool C and what the chances are for Hope and Adrian (assuming Calvin wins the MIAA tourney, which they will be the favorite to do).

I know SOS, in-region, all that stuff comes into play.  However, I looked at just the big picture and I think it is interesting and telling.

Hope is 10-8 (exclude College of The Faith), their 10 wins come from opponents whose overall record is 98-96, .505. Their 8 losses come from opponents whose overall record is 111-49, .694.  For this discussion, I view a quality win for Hope as Aurora (15-5) and Adrian (15-4).

Adrian is 15-4, their 15 wins come from opponents whose overall record is 114-187, .379.  Their 4 losses come from opponents whose overall record is 52-23, .693.  For this discussion, I view a quality win for Adrian as Wooster.

Throw out the Trine wins for each, the Olivet losses for each.

I believe, despite 4 of Hope's losses coming to Calvin, North Central, Wheaton and Ill Wesleyan (all teams who most likely will make the tourney), they stand a tough road getting in, without the MIAA tourney trophy.

I believe, based on this it will be next to impossible for Adrian to get in, unless they win the MIAA tourney.  I don't see how they can garner enough evidence, unless they win out.

My opinion only, but I think, we as MIAA fans, better HOPE, someone besides Calvin wins the MIAA tourney, if we HOPE to have two dancing.

Ah yes, the old NCAA tournament argument built around "I think" - a yearly tradition.

[almcguirejr]

MIAA Player of the Week

Hope guard Colton Overway, a senior from Holland (West Ottawa HS), averaged 16.5 points and 6.0 rebounds in leading the Flying Dutchmen to a pair of MIAA victories. He had 13 points, eight rebounds and four assists in a 76-61 victory over Trine, then scored 20 points as Hope defeated Alma, 92-74. Overway, who is being honored as Player of the Week for the second time this season and in his career, made 13 of 22 shots from the field (59 percent), including 3 of 8 (37 percent) on 3-point attempts, for the week.

[KnightSlappy]

Interesting perspective and I understand your feelings and logic.  However, it got me thinking about Pool C and what the chances are for Hope and Adrian (assuming Calvin wins the MIAA tourney, which they will be the favorite to do).

I know SOS, in-region, all that stuff comes into play.  However, I looked at just the big picture and I think it is interesting and telling.

Hope is 10-8 (exclude College of The Faith), their 10 wins come from opponents whose overall record is 98-96, .505. Their 8 losses come from opponents whose overall record is 111-49, .694.  For this discussion, I view a quality win for Hope as Aurora (15-5) and Adrian (15-4).

Adrian is 15-4, their 15 wins come from opponents whose overall record is 114-187, .379.  Their 4 losses come from opponents whose overall record is 52-23, .693.  For this discussion, I view a quality win for Adrian as Wooster.

Throw out the Trine wins for each, the Olivet losses for each.

I believe, despite 4 of Hope's losses coming to Calvin, North Central, Wheaton and Ill Wesleyan (all teams who most likely will make the tourney), they stand a tough road getting in, without the MIAA tourney trophy.

I believe, based on this it will be next to impossible for Adrian to get in, unless they win the MIAA tourney.  I don't see how they can garner enough evidence, unless they win out.

My opinion only, but I think, we as MIAA fans, better HOPE, someone besides Calvin wins the MIAA tourney, if we HOPE to have two dancing.

Adrian is positioned better for a Pool C bid right now because they still have the opportunity to have a .750+ in-region winning percentage, and, unlike Hope, they'll have a win versus a regionally ranked opponent (though Hope will have one more in-region game played versus a regionally ranked opponent).

To have even a decent shot at an at-large bid, either team is probably going to have to go 7-1 (losing only in the MIAA Championship), so Wednesday's winner will have the inside track. I'll go so far as to say if Adrian can run the table up to the MIAA championship game, they'll have an 80-90% chance of getting selected.

It doesn't look like either team would be able to take two more losses and still get in. Though, of the two, Adrian might be able to make this happen. If they lose at Hope on Wednesday and then at Hope in the MIAA semifinal, they'll finish with a .714 in-region winning percentage and maybe a .530ish SOS. That could get them "on the table" in time to be one of the final few selections. It's probably not enough to get in however.