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KnightSlappy

Massey has Calvin up to #9 as of this morning and has them as 1 point favorites at Hope on Saturday.

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2013&sub=11620

Roundball999

Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 04, 2013, 01:45:07 PM
Massey has Calvin up to #9 as of this morning and has them as 1 point favorites at Hope on Saturday.

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2013&sub=11620

Wow, I don't pretend to understand Massey other than it is a dispassionate statistical method, but I'm shocked it is only a one point difference.  To what do you attribute the low prediction margin?  They have Hope at #54, that would seem to stack up to more than a 1 point margin to me.

goodknight

Quote from: Roundball999 on February 04, 2013, 02:37:02 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 04, 2013, 01:45:07 PM
Massey has Calvin up to #9 as of this morning and has them as 1 point favorites at Hope on Saturday.

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2013&sub=11620

Wow, I don't pretend to understand Massey other than it is a dispassionate statistical method, but I'm shocked it is only a one point difference.  To what do you attribute the low prediction margin?  They have Hope at #54, that would seem to stack up to more than a 1 point margin to me.

They factor in the effervescence of the Dew Crew?

Roundball999

Quote from: goodknight on February 04, 2013, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on February 04, 2013, 02:37:02 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 04, 2013, 01:45:07 PM
Massey has Calvin up to #9 as of this morning and has them as 1 point favorites at Hope on Saturday.

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2013&sub=11620

Wow, I don't pretend to understand Massey other than it is a dispassionate statistical method, but I'm shocked it is only a one point difference.  To what do you attribute the low prediction margin?  They have Hope at #54, that would seem to stack up to more than a 1 point margin to me.

They factor in the effervescence of the Dew Crew?

That thought of course immediately jumped to mind, but it looks like Massey actually has Calvin with a slightly higher HFA than Hope!  Maybe the Crew is slipping?

almcguirejr

MIAA Player of the Week

Trine forward Scott Rogers, a senior from Waterford (Kettering HS), averaged 25 points and 10 rebounds in leading the Thunder to a pair of MIAA victories. He scored a career-high 33 points and pulled down 11 boards in an 81-68 win over Alma, then added 17 points and nine rebounds in a 64-46 victory over Adrian. Rogers, who is being honored as Player of the Week for the second time this season and third time in his career, shot 71 percent from the field (20 of 28) and 91 percent from the free-throw line (10 of 11) for the week.

ziggy

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Quote from: Roundball999 on February 04, 2013, 02:49:18 PM
Quote from: goodknight on February 04, 2013, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on February 04, 2013, 02:37:02 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 04, 2013, 01:45:07 PM
Massey has Calvin up to #9 as of this morning and has them as 1 point favorites at Hope on Saturday.

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2013&sub=11620

Wow, I don't pretend to understand Massey other than it is a dispassionate statistical method, but I'm shocked it is only a one point difference.  To what do you attribute the low prediction margin?  They have Hope at #54, that would seem to stack up to more than a 1 point margin to me.

They factor in the effervescence of the Dew Crew?

That thought of course immediately jumped to mind, but it looks like Massey actually has Calvin with a slightly higher HFA than Hope!  Maybe the Crew is slipping?

I'm not sure we really should be equating bigger HFA with better overall. You could just as easily, and probably more appropriately, see the HFA rating as variation between home and road performance. St. Thomas is Massey's #1 team but hey carry a pedestrian HFA of 2.56 and they are definitely not struggling at home. Guess who is in the top five in Massey's HFA... Olivet and Albion. Doesn't mean they are suddenly good teams at home (well, Olivet is), they just perform better than they do on the road by a wider margin than most of D3.

Take all that into account and a Calvin -1 line at Hope makes perfect sense.

sac

Quote from: almcguirejr on February 04, 2013, 02:50:28 PM
MIAA Player of the Week

Trine forward Scott Rogers, a senior from Waterford (Kettering HS), averaged 25 points and 10 rebounds in leading the Thunder to a pair of MIAA victories. He scored a career-high 33 points and pulled down 11 boards in an 81-68 win over Alma, then added 17 points and nine rebounds in a 64-46 victory over Adrian. Rogers, who is being honored as Player of the Week for the second time this season and third time in his career, shot 71 percent from the field (20 of 28) and 91 percent from the free-throw line (10 of 11) for the week.

Scott Rogers is having a really good Sr. season.

sac

Quote from: Roundball999 on February 04, 2013, 02:37:02 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 04, 2013, 01:45:07 PM
Massey has Calvin up to #9 as of this morning and has them as 1 point favorites at Hope on Saturday.

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2013&sub=11620

Wow, I don't pretend to understand Massey other than it is a dispassionate statistical method, but I'm shocked it is only a one point difference.  To what do you attribute the low prediction margin?  They have Hope at #54, that would seem to stack up to more than a 1 point margin to me.

I think it was Calvin +4 for the first game.  Massey nailed that one.

ziggy

Quote from: sac on February 04, 2013, 03:29:46 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on February 04, 2013, 02:37:02 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 04, 2013, 01:45:07 PM
Massey has Calvin up to #9 as of this morning and has them as 1 point favorites at Hope on Saturday.

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2013&sub=11620

Wow, I don't pretend to understand Massey other than it is a dispassionate statistical method, but I'm shocked it is only a one point difference.  To what do you attribute the low prediction margin?  They have Hope at #54, that would seem to stack up to more than a 1 point margin to me.

I think it was Calvin +4 for the first game.  Massey nailed that one.

It was Calvin -9 with a win probability of 82%: http://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=372367206
Incidently, Calvin exactly hit their half of the Massey total with 75 pts.

KnightSlappy

Quote from: ziggy on February 04, 2013, 03:35:01 PM
Quote from: sac on February 04, 2013, 03:29:46 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on February 04, 2013, 02:37:02 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 04, 2013, 01:45:07 PM
Massey has Calvin up to #9 as of this morning and has them as 1 point favorites at Hope on Saturday.

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2013&sub=11620

Wow, I don't pretend to understand Massey other than it is a dispassionate statistical method, but I'm shocked it is only a one point difference.  To what do you attribute the low prediction margin?  They have Hope at #54, that would seem to stack up to more than a 1 point margin to me.

I think it was Calvin +4 for the first game.  Massey nailed that one.

It was Calvin -9 with a win probability of 82%: http://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=372367206
Incidently, Calvin exactly hit their half of the Massey total with 75 pts.

I think these constantly update with the ratings changes, so that's not what is was so much as what it would be now.

GoKnights68

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Quote from: wiz on February 03, 2013, 10:27:30 PM
Tyler Kruis completed a nice week with 40 points and 20 rebounds while his team picked up a couple of W's.

IF Calvin is to make the tourney and make a nice run, Kruis may be the x-factor in my opinion.  Kind of a broad statement I know, but Calvin becomes a very tough team to beat for just about any d3 team out there when he is putting up solid numbers.

ziggy

Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 04, 2013, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: ziggy on February 04, 2013, 03:35:01 PM
Quote from: sac on February 04, 2013, 03:29:46 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on February 04, 2013, 02:37:02 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 04, 2013, 01:45:07 PM
Massey has Calvin up to #9 as of this morning and has them as 1 point favorites at Hope on Saturday.

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2013&sub=11620

Wow, I don't pretend to understand Massey other than it is a dispassionate statistical method, but I'm shocked it is only a one point difference.  To what do you attribute the low prediction margin?  They have Hope at #54, that would seem to stack up to more than a 1 point margin to me.

I think it was Calvin +4 for the first game.  Massey nailed that one.

It was Calvin -9 with a win probability of 82%: http://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=372367206
Incidently, Calvin exactly hit their half of the Massey total with 75 pts.

I think these constantly update with the ratings changes, so that's not what is was so much as what it would be now.

Ah, you're right. Since it lists actual score I thought it locked in the other info. Calvin's home game with Adrian currently says Calvin -13, no way that is what it was when it was played. I'll defer to sac's memory.

sac

Quote from: Happy Calvin Guy on January 14, 2013, 10:03:49 AM
Massey predicts 72% probability of a Calvin victory on Wednesday, with a most likely score of 76-70. 

There was this part of a post just a couple days before the last Hope/Calvin encounter.

wiz

Quote from: almcguirejr on February 04, 2013, 02:50:28 PM
MIAA Player of the Week

Trine forward Scott Rogers, a senior from Waterford (Kettering HS), averaged 25 points and 10 rebounds in leading the Thunder to a pair of MIAA victories. He scored a career-high 33 points and pulled down 11 boards in an 81-68 win over Alma, then added 17 points and nine rebounds in a 64-46 victory over Adrian. Rogers, who is being honored as Player of the Week for the second time this season and third time in his career, shot 71 percent from the field (20 of 28) and 91 percent from the free-throw line (10 of 11) for the week.
Impressive!

realist

Calvin up to #13 one ahead of Wooster.
Sadly Adrian has disappeared.
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