MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[KnightSlappy]

Adrian's win puts them at 7-7 in a tie with Trine. Trine wins the tiebreaker due to not losing to Kalamazoo.

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Why does not losing to Kalamazoo make the difference?  Are they a lower rated team than any that defeated Adrian?  I thought Adrian recently lost to Albion, which ended lower on the league standings.  How does that work?

Tiebreakers are (after head to head and all that):

record vs. 1st place team
record vs. 2nd place team
... yadda yadda yadda
record vs. 7th place team

Trine and Adrian were 1-1 vs. each other, 0-2 vs. Calvin and Hope, 1-1 vs. Olivet. Then Adrian was 1-1 vs. Kalamazoo while Trine was 2-0 vs. Kalamazoo.

So, the tiebreaker goes to Trine. Basically it means that they'd rater see the "good" win than the "bad" loss.

[calvinite]

Looks to me like Hope will be ranked next week if Thomas More wins this game.

If (and I won't believe it until I actually see it) both Hope and Calvin are ranked regionally, next week, will they be 'significantly' helped -- I don't even know what I mean significantly but certainly more than just by a token notice -- because they will both beat regionally ranked teams? Or, will the regional rankings basically stay the same even with Hope being ranked?

[sac]

Hope 81 Trine 72

Really well played game down in Angola.  Hope just a little better all around and did a nice job containing Ian Jackson.  Scott Rogers played some for Trine but clearly still not 100% from the flu, Todd Watkins played a pretty unbelievable game in his place.

Gardner led Hope with 19, I don't know the rest but Snuggerud and Benson were close to double-digits and probably over.

Congrats to Calvin on winning the MIAA Championship.

Hope shoots 29-39 from the line.  They were 21-26 in the second half.

Trine had two choices, let Hope score, or foul......they chose to foul a lot.

[sac]

Adrian played without Adam Meier again.  I wouldn't give them much chance next Thurs. without all hands on deck.

Same for Trine, a healthy Scott Rogers could have made a big difference for them today.  Todd Watkins played great and Jared Holmquist was way better than he was in Holland.

Thursday nights games could be really good.

[ziggy]

Looks to me like Hope will be ranked next week if Thomas More wins this game.

If (and I won't believe it until I actually see it) both Hope and Calvin are ranked regionally, next week, will they be 'significantly' helped -- I don't even know what I mean significantly but certainly more than just by a token notice -- because they will both beat regionally ranked teams? Or, will the regional rankings basically stay the same even with Hope being ranked?

Hope having a win against Calvin certainly helps them and Hope getting ranked certainly helps Calvin. To what degree? Impossible to tell.

Of course, this goes back to the age old question regarding interpretation of what "results versus regionally ranked" actually means. It has never been defined so it is impossible to know exactly what is "good" and what is "bad". Augustana is something like 1-7 versus regionally ranked and while that looks bad, some will tell you that the total of eight games is a good thing.

Personally, I would use RvRR as a check on WP and SOS. That is to say, a magnifying glass that helps put those other two numbers into context. For a team like Augustana that might have a competitive WP and a decent SOS, a 1-7 record tells me that when put up against the best in the region, they can't compete. On the flip side, a high WP team that is weighed down by a weak SOS should be able to point to "good" RvRR to say, "Our schedule may not be strong as a whole, but when we play the best we are competitive." I would think in that way a "good" RvRR could help minimize the hit of a weak SOS and that is what Calvin needs right now. Of course, this is just how I would personally interpret "Results versus Regionally Ranked" and since it is open to interpretation, this could be way off how someone else might apply this criterion.

[KnightSlappy]

DaunTrell Hill is a pretty nice player--wouldn't mind having him on my team.

He's also a James Harden doppelganger. At least the beard is the same.

[sflzman]

DaunTrell Hill is a pretty nice player--wouldn't mind having him on my team.

He's also a James Harden doppelganger. At least the beard is the same.

[sac]

Calvin's 56.9 points allowed is the third lowest in MIAA history.

51.8           Calvin, 1979-80 (622 in 12 games)
55.0          Calvin, 1980-81 (660 in 12 games)
56.9          Calvin, 2012-13 (796 in 14 games)
57.4           Adrian, 2011-12 (803 in 14 games)

[sac]

These guys all played their final college game yesterday

Olivet
Garner Small
Dakotah Ellis
Matt El

Kalamazoo
Eric Fishman
Joshua Haney

Alma
Dustin Deshais
Chris Williamson
Greg Silverthorn
Caleb VanTimmeran
Brian Sheridan

Albion
Anthony Wash
Chris Hutton
Mike Smith
Leonard Wernette-Leff

[KnightSlappy]

Calvin's 56.9 points allowed is the third lowest in MIAA history.

51.8           Calvin, 1979-80 (622 in 12 games)
55.0          Calvin, 1980-81 (660 in 12 games)
56.9          Calvin, 2012-13 (796 in 14 games)
57.4           Adrian, 2011-12 (803 in 14 games)

I believe the NCAA adopted the three point shot in 1986.

[oldknight]

Calvin's 56.9 points allowed is the third lowest in MIAA history.

51.8           Calvin, 1979-80 (622 in 12 games)
55.0          Calvin, 1980-81 (660 in 12 games)
56.9          Calvin, 2012-13 (796 in 14 games)
57.4           Adrian, 2011-12 (803 in 14 games)

I believe the NCAA adopted the three point shot in 1986.

That's correct. The year prior, the NCAA mandated the shot clock--originally 45 seconds and changed to 35 seconds in 1993--so the scoring defense shown by Calvin this year is the best in the conference in the shot-clock, three point line era.

[calvin_grad]

That's correct. The year prior, the NCAA mandated the shot clock--originally 45 seconds and changed to 35 seconds in 1993--so the scoring defense shown by Calvin this year is the best in the conference in the shot-clock, three point line era.

I'm confused.  Aren't we supposed to hate the KVS scheme???   

[arena]

That's correct. The year prior, the NCAA mandated the shot clock--originally 45 seconds and changed to 35 seconds in 1993--so the scoring defense shown by Calvin this year is the best in the conference in the shot-clock, three point line era.

I'm confused.  Aren't we supposed to hate the KVS scheme???   

I don't mind the defense, it's the offensive scheme that drives me nuts.

[northb]

KVS' interview on News 8.


http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/sports/Sports-OT-Calvin-College-basketball-coach-Vande-Streek?ref=scroller&categoryId=10004&status=true

[KnightSlappy]

That's correct. The year prior, the NCAA mandated the shot clock--originally 45 seconds and changed to 35 seconds in 1993--so the scoring defense shown by Calvin this year is the best in the conference in the shot-clock, three point line era.

I'm confused.  Aren't we supposed to hate the KVS scheme???   

I don't mind the defense, it's the offensive scheme that drives me nuts.

Because they're too good, or what?

According to tempo-free efficiency numbers, they're the 7th best MIAA offense in the last 12 seasons (as far back as the data archives go).