MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[thealmascots]

That's correct. The year prior, the NCAA mandated the shot clock--originally 45 seconds and changed to 35 seconds in 1993--so the scoring defense shown by Calvin this year is the best in the conference in the shot-clock, three point line era.

I'm confused.  Aren't we supposed to hate the KVS scheme???   

I don't mind the defense, it's the offensive scheme that drives me nuts.

Calvin has a great combination of size, athletic ability and experience this year but having watched them a handful of times, I don't come away with an overwhelming sense of being impressed with either their offense or defense. Could these numbers on either end be a byproduct of a league that just was not very good this year?

[sac]

MIAA Tournament Trivia

2013 is the 22nd overall MIAA Tournament, second half-tournament.

CHAMPIONS
Hope 11 times--95-96-97-02-03-06-08-09-10-11-12
Calvin 8 times--92-93-94-00-01-04-05-07
Albion 1 time--98
Defiance 1 time--99

CHAMPIONSHIP GAME APPEARANCES AND RECORD
Calvin 16 times............8-8
Hope 13 times................11-2
Albion 5 times...............1-4
Kalamazoo 3 times.......0-3
Adrian 3 times..............0-3
Defiance 2 times...........1-1

SEMI-FINAL APPEARANCES (updated through 13)
Calvin...................22
Hope....................22
Albion...................16
Adrian...................12
Kalamazoo............7
Olivet.....................3
Defiance................2
Trine....................3
Alma......................1


SEMI-FINAL RECORDS
Calvin..................16-5
Hope....................13-8
Albion...................5-11
Kalamazoo............3-4
Adrian....................3-8
Defiance................2-0
Olivet.....................0-3
Alma......................0-1
Trine.................0-2

TOURNAMENT SEMI-FINAL HOSTS (updated through 13)
Full Tournament
Calvin 10 times
Hope 8 times
Albion 2 times

Half-Tournament
Hope 2 times
Adrian 1 time
Calvin 1 time


Semi-Final host has made the Championship game 18 of 20 times in full tournament with single semi-final location

Semi-Final hosts both made the Championship game in 1 of 1 half-tournaments



FIRST ROUND RECORDS (updated through 2011)
Calvin.............15-0
Hope..............15-0
Albion..............15-4
Adrian..............10-10
Kalamazoo.......7-13
Olivet................3-17
Alma.................1-18
Trine............1-6
Defiance............2-0

FIRST ROUND........Home teams are 62-7 overall, 2011 last home team to lose in first round play.


OVERALL TOURNAMENT RECORDS (updated through 2012 tournament)
Calvin..........................39-13
Hope...........................37-10
Albion..........................20-19
Kalamazoo...................10-20
Adrian...........................13-21
Defiance........................5-1
Olivet.............................3-20
Alma..............................1-20
Trine.........................1-8



MIAA Tournament Champions

92--Calvin
93--Calvin
94--Calvin
95--Hope
96--Hope
97--Hope
98--Albion
99--Defiance
00--Calvin
01--Calvin
02--Hope
03--Hope
04--Calvin
05--Calvin
06--Hope
07--Calvin
08--Hope
09--Hope
10--Hope
11--Hope
12--Hope

[KnightSlappy]

That's correct. The year prior, the NCAA mandated the shot clock--originally 45 seconds and changed to 35 seconds in 1993--so the scoring defense shown by Calvin this year is the best in the conference in the shot-clock, three point line era.

I'm confused.  Aren't we supposed to hate the KVS scheme???   

I don't mind the defense, it's the offensive scheme that drives me nuts.

Calvin has a great combination of size, athletic ability and experience this year but having watched them a handful of times, I don't come away with an overwhelming sense of being impressed with either their offense or defense. Could these numbers on either end be a byproduct of a league that just was not very good this year?

That's possible, but the I numbers calculate include more than just the league portion of their schedule. The Massey ratings has Calvin's schedule at #88 and lists the MIAA as the #8 conference, so being a product of a weak league wouldn't jive with those numbers.

[sac]

I think basketball has just become a better defensive game.  Defenses do a better job of interrupting what offenses are trying to do and thus offenses don't look nearly as fluid as they used to.


In general, scoring has been declining in the college game for the past 20 years and so its true in D3 as well.  Scoring is down 3 points per game since 2002
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/stats/m+basketball/trends.html


Its just a slower more deliberate game now.  The game doesn't look as pretty as it once did.

[knightfire]

That's correct. The year prior, the NCAA mandated the shot clock--originally 45 seconds and changed to 35 seconds in 1993--so the scoring defense shown by Calvin this year is the best in the conference in the shot-clock, three point line era.

I'm confused.  Aren't we supposed to hate the KVS scheme???   

I don't mind the defense, it's the offensive scheme that drives me nuts.

Calvin has a great combination of size, athletic ability and experience this year but having watched them a handful of times, I don't come away with an overwhelming sense of being impressed with either their offense or defense. Could these numbers on either end be a byproduct of a league that just was not very good this year?

Your points about Calvin's team  are fairly accurate.  I have to agree that Calvin has not been a dominating team, and one only needs to look at the 2 Adrian games, the game at Albion, and than last Sat's game versus Thrine when they squandered a 22 point lead. 
One would like to think that since it became apparent that Calvin will be playing Adrian again this Thurs. that KVS, and his brain trust would be locked away devising modifications to their already awesome offensive scheme to stymy Adrian's defense. 
One would like to think that, but don't hold your breath.  A more likely scenario is Calvin plays exactly the same game plan they have used in the last 6 encounters versus Adrian thereby making Adrian's chances much higher than they should be. 
Calvin's schedule has not been loaded with much challenge.  When Calvin has been challenged  it hasn't always ended well.  If Calvin loses to either Adrian or Hope don't expect anyone to fight very hard for them to get a pool C shot.

[realist]

Calvin up to #15 in this weeks poll.  Wooster is # 17.  OWU # 24,  Capital 5 ORV, and T More 3 ORV.

[arena]

That's correct. The year prior, the NCAA mandated the shot clock--originally 45 seconds and changed to 35 seconds in 1993--so the scoring defense shown by Calvin this year is the best in the conference in the shot-clock, three point line era.

I'm confused.  Aren't we supposed to hate the KVS scheme???   

Because they're too good, or what?

According to tempo-free efficiency numbers, they're the 7th best MIAA offense in the last 12 seasons (as far back as the data archives go).

I don't mind the defense, it's the offensive scheme that drives me nuts.
I enjoy the sabermetrics, but my eyes tell me a lot.  Go keep going back to the Calvin/Hope game a few years ago where Calvin was up by 20 or so at half time and ended losing the game.  That second half was an example of the offense that offends me.  They turned passive and lost that game.  The same thing happened during the Trine game.  Passive offense.  Sometimes I wonder if KVS has a killer instinct.

[oldknight]

I think basketball has just become a better defensive game.  Defenses do a better job of interrupting what offenses are trying to do and thus offenses don't look nearly as fluid as they used to.


In general, scoring has been declining in the college game for the past 20 years and so its true in D3 as well.  Scoring is down 3 points per game since 2002
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/stats/m+basketball/trends.html


Its just a slower more deliberate game now.  The game doesn't look as pretty as it once did.

Defenses have certainly gotten more sophisticated but I believe the way games are officiated now has a greater impact on scoring. I can't believe what defenses get away with today. Clutch and grab is common and only infrequently called by officials. It has even filtered down to the prep game. My high school team's per game average was 76 points, and we once played a regulation 32 minute game with a final score of 102-93. That just can't happen anymore given the way refs call games--or don't call them. It's amazing more fights don't break out.

[sac]

I think basketball has just become a better defensive game.  Defenses do a better job of interrupting what offenses are trying to do and thus offenses don't look nearly as fluid as they used to.


In general, scoring has been declining in the college game for the past 20 years and so its true in D3 as well.  Scoring is down 3 points per game since 2002
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/stats/m+basketball/trends.html


Its just a slower more deliberate game now.  The game doesn't look as pretty as it once did.

Defenses have certainly gotten more sophisticated but I believe the way games are officiated now has a greater impact on scoring. I can't believe what defenses get away with today. Clutch and grab is common and only infrequently called by officials. It has even filtered down to the prep game. My high school team's per game average was 76 points, and we once played a regulation 32 minute game with a final score of 102-93. That just can't happen anymore given the way refs call games--or don't call them. It's amazing more fights don't break out.

I would put the use of hands by the defense to impede offensive players at the top of the list of reasons scoring is down.

Among the others would be players being better at slowing down fast breaks and the dwindling skills of big men who all think shooting 3's is more important than learning post moves.

[sac]

Calvin up to #15 in this weeks poll.  Wooster is # 17.  OWU # 24,  Capital 5 ORV, and T More 3 ORV.

How on Earth can Thomas More go from 0 poll points to 3 poll points with a loss last week to St. Vincent.   


Baldwin-Wallace     I guess beating 11-14 Heidelberg and 1-24 Muskingum while being ineligible for the post-season is top 25 material.

[Pat Coleman]

I was one of the Baldwin Wallace voters. Just because its president decided to remove his teams from postseason play doesn't mean they can't potentially be one of the Top 25 teams in the country.

[calvinite]

I was one of the Baldwin Wallace voters. Just because its president decided to remove his teams from postseason play doesn't mean they can't potentially be one of the Top 25 teams in the country.

True, but one could make a case that BW potentially shouldn't be one of the top 25 teams in the country based on some other things.... Massey ratings, multiple losses against sub .500 teams, and lack of significant victories over other top teams... and their 5 loses doesn't help their standing either, although I wouldn't think that would disqualify a team from the top 25.

[Pat Coleman]

Well, that's fine and certainly a matter of debate -- to me, there's a reasonable case to be made for BW being the best team in the OAC and because of an overreaction from the administration, we won't find out otherwise.

I don't mind throwing my 25 spot out as a reward for a program that literally has nothing else it can play for.

[calvinite]

Well, that's fine and certainly a matter of debate -- to me, there's a reasonable case to be made for BW being the best team in the OAC and because of an overreaction from the administration, we won't find out otherwise.

I don't mind throwing my 25 spot out as a reward for a program that literally has nothing else it can play for.

I guess if put that way -- with BW being the only team in the OAC with literally nothing else to play for -- I can see where one might argue that BW is the best team in the OAC. Without that caveat, I think it becomes much harder to make that case. More importantly, one could make a case that teams in BW's position have a whole lot more at stake in every game in which they play compared with every other team which needs to consider other things like keeping players healthy for post-season play. I sure didn't see Ohio State's football team throwing in the towel because they had literally nothing else to play for. 99% of DIII college basketball players want to win every game, and frankly, I doubt post-season play penalties reduces their desire to win much -- if at all.

Why does this matter? It matters to me because I would hope that as subjective, challenging, and fluid ranking basketball teams is, that the rankings would reflect the records and accomplishments of those teams that have played the games. I don't think teams should get rewards because they are not eligible for post-season play, or lost a top player for the rest of the season who really was a great guy or whose coach has cancer or something.

Maybe it's just me..... or maybe I just don't see BW as even being the best in the OAC which in itself doesn't seem to be a reason to necessarily be ranked in the top 25....

[Pat Coleman]

Definitely debatable. But won 16 of the past 18 games. It's not like it's indefensible. They've shot the ball much better over that stretch as well. Not just making stuff up here. I think they're playing their best ball of the season over that stretch and would win the OAC tournament if permitted to participate.