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[HollandKnight]

Quote from: maroonandgold on Today at 02:01:06 pm

    Although I think De Vries is certainly good enough to do a good job at forward, his lack of outside shooting most of this year makes me think he might be most effective backing up Tyler Dykstra.  Both play a somewhat similar style emphasizing defense and rebounding at this point.  I would want the forward opposite Dykstra to bring more outside shooting, which would come best from Vallie.


[quote from Happy Calvin guy]I think KnightSlappy made an excellent point on this topic in saying that DeVries may be a better fit for the 4 spot and Dykstra is more of a 3, despite being taller.  I have to respectfully disagree with you that they (DeVries, Dykstra) play a similar style.  DeVries is a scrappy, physical rebounder and shot blocker, while Dykstra's game at this point is much more finesse, and he has an excellent three point shot (2nd on the team to Bryan Powell in 3Pt % for those who averaged at least 1 attempt per game).  I do believe that one key for the Knights is for Dykstra to put on 10-20 lbs in the weightroom this offseason, and another key is for DeVries to work on the outside shot--signs of great promise against RHIT.  And for the record, I also would have no problem with Dan Stout being a starter--he has quietly developed into an excellent and very versatile post player--I'm just not sure who I'd send to the bench.

I'll have to agree with HCG that Dykstra has shown the ability to shoot a good percentage from any distance.  That has not been true of De Vries prior to RHIT.  The problem with Dykstra is not that he fails to shoot accurately; it is that he does not seem to take many shots, or that he needs more room to get off a shot.  Whoever plays the three has to be able to get off more shots.  Maybe Dykstra could do that, but so far he has provided more defense and rebounding than scoring.  I also like the idea of having him add weight to avoid getting pushed around.  I'll also have to agree that De Vries has been scrappier, but he could use a little more weight to hold position better without fouls.  One idea none of us mentioned is the possibility of having Eric Brower play backup center if Stout plays more at forward.  I have not seen much of his play, but I remember hearing positive comments about him.  Is he more of a center or a forward?  Is he ready for more minutes on the varsity.
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Eric Brouwer is a center but if he wants to see success he may have to slim down, he is strong but not as athletic as he should

[oldknight]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this year's Calvin team is still playing, right?  I understand us Hope fans (or any other school not still in it) thinking about what might be next year, but it just seems a bit wierd to me that you are busy doing that while this year's team is still playing and (I would think) favored to win again this weekend.

Thank you. I have some opinions of my own regarding next season--some of them pretty strongly held, believe it or not--but it seems premature to post them as long as Calvin is still playing. There will be plenty of time to visit this question in the offseason--hopefully starting the late afternoon of April 8.

[HollandKnight]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this year's Calvin team is still playing, right?  I understand us Hope fans (or any other school not still in it) thinking about what might be next year, but it just seems a bit wierd to me that you are busy doing that while this year's team is still playing and (I would think) favored to win again this weekend.

i agree why dwell on the future while we stand in the present

[KnightSlappy]

I'll have to agree with HCG that Dykstra has shown the ability to shoot a good percentage from any distance.  That has not been true of De Vries prior to RHIT.  The problem with Dykstra is not that he fails to shoot accurately; it is that he does not seem to take many shots, or that he needs more room to get off a shot.  Whoever plays the three has to be able to get off more shots.  Maybe Dykstra could do that, but so far he has provided more defense and rebounding than scoring.  I also like the idea of having him add weight to avoid getting pushed around.  I'll also have to agree that De Vries has been scrappier, but he could use a little more weight to hold position better without fouls.  One idea none of us mentioned is the possibility of having Eric Brower play backup center if Stout plays more at forward.  I have not seen much of his play, but I remember hearing positive comments about him.  Is he more of a center or a forward?  Is he ready for more minutes on the varsity.

Eric Brower probably isn't a guy we're going to want to see on the court next season, though I don't think I've seen him play since December. Stout is still going to be the #2 guy at center behind Kruis so he's not likely to see the starting lineup (even if he and Kruis do see a few minutes per game on the floor together). Stout probably doesn't have the quickness you'd want out of a forward.

Dykstra hasn't shot the ball a lot, but with Kruis, Snikkers, and Brink out on the floor with him, do we really want him taking anything but wide-open looks? The 2004-05 Calvin team did pretty well with a tall, slender "three" that didn't shoot well from beyond the arc. Then again, Aultman was pretty much the only guy on that team that couldn't chuck it.

[KnightSlappy]

Those wishing to post their thoughts on the "current" season have not been prevented from doing so.

[HollandKnight]

sorry if this may disobey my last post but who is excited to see Jordan Daley pickup Snikkers role

[HollandKnight]

I'll have to agree with HCG that Dykstra has shown the ability to shoot a good percentage from any distance.  That has not been true of De Vries prior to RHIT.  The problem with Dykstra is not that he fails to shoot accurately; it is that he does not seem to take many shots, or that he needs more room to get off a shot.  Whoever plays the three has to be able to get off more shots.  Maybe Dykstra could do that, but so far he has provided more defense and rebounding than scoring.  I also like the idea of having him add weight to avoid getting pushed around.  I'll also have to agree that De Vries has been scrappier, but he could use a little more weight to hold position better without fouls.  One idea none of us mentioned is the possibility of having Eric Brower play backup center if Stout plays more at forward.  I have not seen much of his play, but I remember hearing positive comments about him.  Is he more of a center or a forward?  Is he ready for more minutes on the varsity.

Eric Brower probably isn't a guy we're going to want to see on the court next season, though I don't think I've seen him play since December. Stout is still going to be the #2 guy at center behind Kruis so he's not likely to see the starting lineup (even if he and Kruis do see a few minutes per game on the floor together). Stout probably doesn't have the quickness you'd want out of a forward.

Dykstra hasn't shot the ball a lot, but with Kruis, Snikkers, and Brink out on the floor with him, do we really want him taking anything but wide-open looks? The 2004-05 Calvin team did pretty well with a tall, slender "three" that didn't shoot well from beyond the arc. Then again, Aultman was pretty much the only guy on that team that couldn't chuck it.

who says he can't hit from long range? He shoots around 40%. If he shoots one on Saturday knight( ) i would be fine with it.

[KnightSlappy]

I'll have to agree with HCG that Dykstra has shown the ability to shoot a good percentage from any distance.  That has not been true of De Vries prior to RHIT.  The problem with Dykstra is not that he fails to shoot accurately; it is that he does not seem to take many shots, or that he needs more room to get off a shot.  Whoever plays the three has to be able to get off more shots.  Maybe Dykstra could do that, but so far he has provided more defense and rebounding than scoring.  I also like the idea of having him add weight to avoid getting pushed around.  I'll also have to agree that De Vries has been scrappier, but he could use a little more weight to hold position better without fouls.  One idea none of us mentioned is the possibility of having Eric Brower play backup center if Stout plays more at forward.  I have not seen much of his play, but I remember hearing positive comments about him.  Is he more of a center or a forward?  Is he ready for more minutes on the varsity.

Eric Brower probably isn't a guy we're going to want to see on the court next season, though I don't think I've seen him play since December. Stout is still going to be the #2 guy at center behind Kruis so he's not likely to see the starting lineup (even if he and Kruis do see a few minutes per game on the floor together). Stout probably doesn't have the quickness you'd want out of a forward.

Dykstra hasn't shot the ball a lot, but with Kruis, Snikkers, and Brink out on the floor with him, do we really want him taking anything but wide-open looks? The 2004-05 Calvin team did pretty well with a tall, slender "three" that didn't shoot well from beyond the arc. Then again, Aultman was pretty much the only guy on that team that couldn't chuck it.

who says he can't hit from long range? He shoots around 40%. If he shoots one on Saturday knight( ) i would be fine with it.

No one has said that Dykstra can't hit from long range. The question was whether or not he attempted to do so often enough.

[HollandKnight]

I am a beginner so I don't know the routines of everything but is it always true only hope and calvin fans comment??? Just wondering

[Mr. Ypsi]

I am a beginner so I don't know the routines of everything but is it always true only hope and calvin fans comment??? Just wondering

It's not only Hope and Calvin fans, but on all boards, fans of winners tend to dominate.  In past years, Albion fans were prevalent - they've become an endangered species.  Early this season there were several Adrian fans; same result.  On the MIAA football board, there were a plethora of Trine fans for a few years; much fewer this year.

This tendency holds true for just about all conferences in all sports.  "To the winners go the spoils, and the posts!"  From your posting name, I assume you are a Calvin supporter residing in 'enemy' territory - but the board is (mostly) very welcoming of posters from other schools.

[Gregory Sager]

I am a beginner so I don't know the routines of everything but is it always true only hope and calvin fans comment??? Just wondering

It's not only Hope and Calvin fans, but on all boards, fans of winners tend to dominate.  In past years, Albion fans were prevalent - they've become an endangered species.

"Prevalent"? I remember only one era when Albion had two simultaneously active posters: Gregg "Supersweetness" Ashabi and a buddy of his, back about a decade or so ago. Other than that, I don't think that there's ever been a time when Albion's had more than one active poster -- and it usually hasn't had any, even when the Britons were a good team.

Early this season there were several Adrian fans; same result.

"Several"? Again, I don't remember any more than one poster repping the Bulldogs at any given moment.

It's more than just "to the winners go the spoils ... and the posts" on d3boards.com. Wittenberg's the only school that's won more than fifty D3 tourney games and appeared in six Final Fours ... and yet there's only one active Wittenberg poster in the NCAC room. Been that way for years, in fact. Conversely, Wabash has had only modest success on the hardwood during the d3hoops.com era, and yet the Diminutive Colossi have several Wallies repping them in that same room. Rochester? Monster success, historically and currently, in men's basketball. Yet when's the last time someone other than Ethelred the Unready spoke up for the Yellowjackets? Meanwhile, as awful as my alma mater has been in men's basketball recently, there's still four of us NPU alumni who have remained active posters on CCIW Chat: Mark Erickson, Dennis Prikkel, Rob Berki, and myself.

Yeah, winning has a lot to do with poster representation, but it's not axiomatic that winning = more posters. Calvin and Hope also have large alumni populations -- they're two of the larger private institutions in D3 -- great townie bases, longstanding traditions of excellence that go back well before recent seasons, and, most famously of all, the best rivalry in D3 basketball, to whet everyone's appetite for posting. All play a role in making this essentially the Calvin/Hope board. And it's not as though Calvin and Hope posters want that -- they welcome folks like Adrian Bulldawg Alum with open arms whenever they show up. (Although I think that the Hope fans merely tolerate Stinger. ) This board just isn't typical, just as this league isn't really typical. The MIAA has been almost completely dominated by the two Dutch-American schools since the '70s, and that skews just about everything that has to do with MIAA hoops, including this board.

[HollandKnight]

I am a beginner so I don't know the routines of everything but is it always true only hope and calvin fans comment??? Just wondering

It's not only Hope and Calvin fans, but on all boards, fans of winners tend to dominate.  In past years, Albion fans were prevalent - they've become an endangered species.  Early this season there were several Adrian fans; same result.  On the MIAA football board, there were a plethora of Trine fans for a few years; much fewer this year.

This tendency holds true for just about all conferences in all sports.  "To the winners go the spoils, and the posts!"  From your posting name, I assume you are a Calvin supporter residing in 'enemy' territory - but the board is (mostly) very welcoming of posters from other schools.

thanks for filling me in on some of the unwritten rules

[Adrian Bulldawg Alum]

Go Bulldogs!

There are A LOT of Bulldog fans that post on this forum, but they are normally Hope or Calvin fans that are cheering for us to beat the other when it helps them.

In all seriousness, I think history plays a huge deal in that.  When I look at the MIAA championship records, Hope and Calvin show their tradition.  Would love for Adrian get that 1st one, then maybe some more will join.

[wiz]

"Wittenberg's the only school that's won more than fifty D3 tourney games and appeared in six Final Fours..."

How many has North Park won?  Seems like I remember them winning that many at Knollcrest during their glory years.

[Gregory Sager]

Twenty-six.