MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[almcguirejr]

Lamont Simpson reffing the Butler vs Marquette game!  First former MIAA official to work D1 NCAA tourney game?

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I wonder if Ted Hillary worked MIAA games?

[arena]

Lamont Simpson reffing the Butler vs Marquette game!  First former MIAA official to work D1 NCAA tourney game?

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I wonder if Ted Hillary worked MIAA games?

Do referees get paid more at the higher levels?

[calvinite]

Do referees get paid more at the higher levels?

yes  -- As much as twice as much between division I and division III (http://www.ehow.com/info_12026472_ncaa-basketball-official-salary.html).

[almcguirejr]

Dr. John Giannini, head coach of the sweet sixteen bound Lasalle Explorers, was the head coach of Rowan in 1996 when they beat Hope to win the DIII National Championship.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Dr. John Giannini, head coach of the sweet sixteen bound Lasalle Explorers, was the head coach of Rowan in 1996 when they beat Hope to win the DIII National Championship.

Rowan (with their Prop 48 d1 players) narrowly beat IWU the night before (ONE defensive rebound in the final seconds, and we win ), preventing the finals matchup most d3 fans wanted to see).  With the possible exception of one of the Jack Sikma teams, that is generally considered the best team IWU ever had; they graduated four starters, yet IWU won it all the next year.  (Call me biased, but I have little doubt that IWU would have been back-to-back champs. )

[KnightSlappy]

Dr. John Giannini, head coach of the sweet sixteen bound Lasalle Explorers, was the head coach of Rowan in 1996 when they beat Hope to win the DIII National Championship.

Rowan (with their Prop 48 d1 players) narrowly beat IWU the night before (ONE defensive rebound in the final seconds, and we win ), preventing the finals matchup most d3 fans wanted to see).  With the possible exception of one of the Jack Sikma teams, that is generally considered the best team IWU ever had; they graduated four starters, yet IWU won it all the next year.  (Call me biased, but I have little doubt that IWU would have been back-to-back champs. )

Who were completely within the rules at the time.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Dr. John Giannini, head coach of the sweet sixteen bound Lasalle Explorers, was the head coach of Rowan in 1996 when they beat Hope to win the DIII National Championship.

Rowan (with their Prop 48 d1 players) narrowly beat IWU the night before (ONE defensive rebound in the final seconds, and we win ), preventing the finals matchup most d3 fans wanted to see).  With the possible exception of one of the Jack Sikma teams, that is generally considered the best team IWU ever had; they graduated four starters, yet IWU won it all the next year.  (Call me biased, but I have little doubt that IWU would have been back-to-back champs. )

Who were completely within the rules at the time.

Quite true, but apparently against the philosophy of d3, as the so-called 'Rowan Rule' was quickly passed, closing that loophole.

[realist]

Lamont Simpson reffing the Butler vs Marquette game!  First former MIAA official to work D1 NCAA tourney game?

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I wonder if Ted Hillary worked MIAA games?

If memory serves correct he worked some games at Knollcrest in the early -mid 90's. 

[ziggy]

Point for discussion: where do you think Calvin will finish in the final d3hoops.com top 25 poll?

I see the top two spots going to the Nat'l Championship game participants. Even though UMHB has come out of nowhere to reach the final they have traversed an impressive path to get there. They deserve the number two spot should they fail to win the natty.

3-4 are probably going to St. Thomas and North Central in some order.

5 is the highest I could see Calvin ending up, although Whitewater could challenge. A point might be made for Williams but I wouldn't necessarily agree.

Calvin entered the tournament #12 and based on what has happened since then I see them at least jumping WPI, Whitworth and Catholic. Figure UMHB jumps in ahead (as they should) and Calvin should finish no worse than #10.

Anything other than the 5-10 range would really surprise me. Where they land in that range really comes down to how the voters view what Calvin did on their path compared to others that won an additional game (St. Mary's, Middlebury).

[Pat Coleman]

Agreed that it is a big leap for UMHB but beating No. 6 on the road, No. 11 and No. 1 on a neutral floor (and being in the ORV leading into it) would suffice for me.

[sac]

Point for discussion: where do you think Calvin will finish in the final d3hoops.com top 25 poll?

Does the Great Lakes Region committee get to vote? 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Point for discussion: where do you think Calvin will finish in the final d3hoops.com top 25 poll?

Does the Great Lakes Region committee get to vote? 

What?  You want 'em to be shut out of the Top 25 entirely?!

[hoopdreams]

Not sure if this topic was discussed, disputed or ignored but I finally saw the "Hail Mary" play from Hudsonville's recent miracle comeback.  A couple items:
1.  Was this play set-up after a score?  If no, then he shouldn't have been able to take multiple steps...
2.  Pretty sure there is an obscure rule about dribbling out of bounds once posession of the ball is initiated...but this may have changed
3.  The gentleman throwing the inbounds pass surely cannot step on the end line, no matter how thick or thin it is ( in this case it's about 18 inches wide and half his foot lands in the red )

I do not care either way but it makes me wonder what the official on the baseline was watching at the time....regardless, one heck of a play.

[almcguirejr]

Not sure if this topic was discussed, disputed or ignored but I finally saw the "Hail Mary" play from Hudsonville's recent miracle comeback.  A couple items:
1.  Was this play set-up after a score?  If no, then he shouldn't have been able to take multiple steps...
2.  Pretty sure there is an obscure rule about dribbling out of bounds once posession of the ball is initiated...but this may have changed
3.  The gentleman throwing the inbounds pass surely cannot step on the end line, no matter how thick or thin it is ( in this case it's about 18 inches wide and half his foot lands in the red )

I do not care either way but it makes me wonder what the official on the baseline was watching at the time....regardless, one heck of a play.

Here is the play:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu3eEUIpKek

He threw it from a legal spot.  He was not over the line, he was on it.  His foot did not cross the line.  The actual out of bounds line is the point where the court meets the painted line.  I don't know the answer to your other 2 questions.

[sac]

Its one of the most misunderstood rules of basketball apparently
http://web.chapman.edu/asbe/faculty/bdehning/Personal/laderabasketball/Misunderstood%20Rules.htm

9 A player inbounding the ball may step on, but not over the line. During a designated spot throwin, the player inbounding the ball must keep one foot on or over the three-foot wide designated spot. An inbounding player is allowed to jump or move one or both feet. A player inbounding the ball may move backward as far as the five-second time limit or space allows. If player moves outside the three-foot wide designated spot it is a violation, not travelling. In gymnasiums with limited space outside the sidelines and endlines, a defensive player may be asked to step back no more than three feet. A player inbounding the ball may bounce the ball on the out-of-bounds area prior to making a throwin.