MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

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ziggy

Quote from: HopeConvert on April 29, 2013, 08:29:43 AM
Quote from: sac on April 26, 2013, 04:18:56 PM
Big difference in tuition as well.  Not an insignificant factor these days as Hope and Calvin creep up on $40,000.

As a preferred walk-on he's essentially getting a tryout to earn a potential scholarship down the road.

Not to be picayune, but neither school is coming close to those numbers as regards tuition costs. They would be creeping toward $40,000 if you include room and board, but my guess is he would have to pay a similar charge for room and board at CMU. For tuition, both Hope and Calvin are under $30,000. If you compare that with other schools similarly ranked in the highly flawed USNews rankings, you will find that both Hope and Calvin are far less expensive than similarly positioned peers, not making adjustments for institutional discount rates.

My quick research says the annual tuition difference between Hope/Calvin and Central Michigan is $17,000.

HopeConvert

Quote from: ziggy on April 29, 2013, 08:47:15 AM
Quote from: HopeConvert on April 29, 2013, 08:29:43 AM
Quote from: sac on April 26, 2013, 04:18:56 PM
Big difference in tuition as well.  Not an insignificant factor these days as Hope and Calvin creep up on $40,000.

As a preferred walk-on he's essentially getting a tryout to earn a potential scholarship down the road.

Not to be picayune, but neither school is coming close to those numbers as regards tuition costs. They would be creeping toward $40,000 if you include room and board, but my guess is he would have to pay a similar charge for room and board at CMU. For tuition, both Hope and Calvin are under $30,000. If you compare that with other schools similarly ranked in the highly flawed USNews rankings, you will find that both Hope and Calvin are far less expensive than similarly positioned peers, not making adjustments for institutional discount rates.

My quick research says the annual tuition difference between Hope/Calvin and Central Michigan is $17,000.

I wasn't comparing them to CMU. I was simply pointing out their tuition costs were well south of $40,000.
One Mississippi, Two Mississippi...

ziggy

Quote from: HopeConvert on April 29, 2013, 09:13:14 AM
Quote from: ziggy on April 29, 2013, 08:47:15 AM
Quote from: HopeConvert on April 29, 2013, 08:29:43 AM
Quote from: sac on April 26, 2013, 04:18:56 PM
Big difference in tuition as well.  Not an insignificant factor these days as Hope and Calvin creep up on $40,000.

As a preferred walk-on he's essentially getting a tryout to earn a potential scholarship down the road.

Not to be picayune, but neither school is coming close to those numbers as regards tuition costs. They would be creeping toward $40,000 if you include room and board, but my guess is he would have to pay a similar charge for room and board at CMU. For tuition, both Hope and Calvin are under $30,000. If you compare that with other schools similarly ranked in the highly flawed USNews rankings, you will find that both Hope and Calvin are far less expensive than similarly positioned peers, not making adjustments for institutional discount rates.

My quick research says the annual tuition difference between Hope/Calvin and Central Michigan is $17,000.

I wasn't comparing them to CMU. I was simply pointing out their tuition costs were well south of $40,000.

Right but sac's point wasn't about the total number but rather than difference, which is $17,000. In my mind (and wallet) that backs up sac's statement of tuition being "not an insignificant factor" whether the total is $30K or $40K.

HopeConvert

Quote from: ziggy on April 29, 2013, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: HopeConvert on April 29, 2013, 09:13:14 AM
Quote from: ziggy on April 29, 2013, 08:47:15 AM
Quote from: HopeConvert on April 29, 2013, 08:29:43 AM
Quote from: sac on April 26, 2013, 04:18:56 PM
Big difference in tuition as well.  Not an insignificant factor these days as Hope and Calvin creep up on $40,000.

As a preferred walk-on he's essentially getting a tryout to earn a potential scholarship down the road.

Not to be picayune, but neither school is coming close to those numbers as regards tuition costs. They would be creeping toward $40,000 if you include room and board, but my guess is he would have to pay a similar charge for room and board at CMU. For tuition, both Hope and Calvin are under $30,000. If you compare that with other schools similarly ranked in the highly flawed USNews rankings, you will find that both Hope and Calvin are far less expensive than similarly positioned peers, not making adjustments for institutional discount rates.

My quick research says the annual tuition difference between Hope/Calvin and Central Michigan is $17,000.

I wasn't comparing them to CMU. I was simply pointing out their tuition costs were well south of $40,000.

Right but sac's point wasn't about the total number but rather than difference, which is $17,000. In my mind (and wallet) that backs up sac's statement of tuition being "not an insignificant factor" whether the total is $30K or $40K.

I understand that. I chose to respond to his second sentence, not his first.
One Mississippi, Two Mississippi...

KnightSlappy

Quote from: HopeConvert on April 29, 2013, 08:29:43 AM
Quote from: sac on April 26, 2013, 04:18:56 PM
Big difference in tuition as well.  Not an insignificant factor these days as Hope and Calvin creep up on $40,000.

As a preferred walk-on he's essentially getting a tryout to earn a potential scholarship down the road.

Not to be picayune, but neither school is coming close to those numbers as regards tuition costs. They would be creeping toward $40,000 if you include room and board, but my guess is he would have to pay a similar charge for room and board at CMU. For tuition, both Hope and Calvin are under $30,000. If you compare that with other schools similarly ranked in the highly flawed USNews rankings, you will find that both Hope and Calvin are far less expensive than similarly positioned peers, not making adjustments for institutional discount rates.

I think it's also important to keep in mind that there's often a significant difference in college sticker price and actual price. I read somewhere that 80-some% of freshmen at private schools receive institutional money.

HopeConvert

Quote from: KnightSlappy on April 29, 2013, 10:47:40 AM
Quote from: HopeConvert on April 29, 2013, 08:29:43 AM
Quote from: sac on April 26, 2013, 04:18:56 PM
Big difference in tuition as well.  Not an insignificant factor these days as Hope and Calvin creep up on $40,000.

As a preferred walk-on he's essentially getting a tryout to earn a potential scholarship down the road.

Not to be picayune, but neither school is coming close to those numbers as regards tuition costs. They would be creeping toward $40,000 if you include room and board, but my guess is he would have to pay a similar charge for room and board at CMU. For tuition, both Hope and Calvin are under $30,000. If you compare that with other schools similarly ranked in the highly flawed USNews rankings, you will find that both Hope and Calvin are far less expensive than similarly positioned peers, not making adjustments for institutional discount rates.

I think it's also important to keep in mind that there's often a significant difference in college sticker price and actual price. I read somewhere that 80-some% of freshmen at private schools receive institutional money.
Thus the concluding clause of my final sentence.
One Mississippi, Two Mississippi...

sac

Well I doubt Visser would have been living in a tent in the woods while attending Calvin. ;)

sac

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Quote from: sac on April 29, 2013, 02:30:16 PM
Well I doubt Visser would have been living in a tent in the woods while attending Calvin. ;)
Funny you should mention this.  I did notice a lean to in the woods behind Kalsbeek/Huizenga yesterday as my wife and I walked the dogs around campus yesterday.  So, maybe he could live there.

almcguirejr

Steve Windemuller leaving Holland High to coach Varsity BB at West Ottawa. 

northb

Quote from: sac on April 29, 2013, 02:30:16 PM
Well I doubt Visser would have been living in a tent in the woods while attending Calvin. ;)

So true.

This is not an issue of funds.  This is the family for which an entire YMCA is named, and funded the pool at another.  This family could handle Calvin's tuition. 
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sac

Quote from: almcguirejr on April 29, 2013, 06:06:04 PM
Steve Windemuller leaving Holland High to coach Varsity BB at West Ottawa.

So all 3 Holland area high school jobs came open in one year?  Strange


Quote from: northb on April 29, 2013, 06:12:50 PM
Quote from: sac on April 29, 2013, 02:30:16 PM
Well I doubt Visser would have been living in a tent in the woods while attending Calvin. ;)

So true.

This is not an issue of funds.  This is the family for which an entire YMCA is named, and funded the pool at another.  This family could handle Calvin's tuition. 

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Gregory Sager

Quote from: HopeConvert on April 29, 2013, 08:29:43 AM
Quote from: sac on April 26, 2013, 04:18:56 PM
Big difference in tuition as well.  Not an insignificant factor these days as Hope and Calvin creep up on $40,000.

As a preferred walk-on he's essentially getting a tryout to earn a potential scholarship down the road.

Not to be picayune, but neither school is coming close to those numbers as regards tuition costs. They would be creeping toward $40,000 if you include room and board, but my guess is he would have to pay a similar charge for room and board at CMU. For tuition, both Hope and Calvin are under $30,000. If you compare that with other schools similarly ranked in the highly flawed USNews rankings, you will find that both Hope and Calvin are far less expensive than similarly positioned peers, not making adjustments for institutional discount rates.

Small comfort to my brother, who will be paying for three children at Calvin next year. I'm going to send him an e-mail suggesting that he pray hard to remove the temptation to commit armed robbery in order to pay those college bills.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

wiz

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Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 29, 2013, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: HopeConvert on April 29, 2013, 08:29:43 AM
Quote from: sac on April 26, 2013, 04:18:56 PM
Big difference in tuition as well.  Not an insignificant factor these days as Hope and Calvin creep up on $40,000.

As a preferred walk-on he's essentially getting a tryout to earn a potential scholarship down the road.

Not to be picayune, but neither school is coming close to those numbers as regards tuition costs. They would be creeping toward $40,000 if you include room and board, but my guess is he would have to pay a similar charge for room and board at CMU. For tuition, both Hope and Calvin are under $30,000. If you compare that with other schools similarly ranked in the highly flawed USNews rankings, you will find that both Hope and Calvin are far less expensive than similarly positioned peers, not making adjustments for institutional discount rates.

Small comfort to my brother, who will be paying for three children at Calvin next year. I'm going to send him an e-mail suggesting that he pray hard to remove the temptation to commit armed robbery in order to pay those college bills.
Your extremely wise brother will enjoy a very high ROI.

Gregory Sager

"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell