MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[KnightSlappy]

Looks like all the throwing up was much ado about nothing, no College of Faith in the Calvin schedule released today: http://www.calvin.edu/sports/mens/basketball/schedule.htm

It looks like the Calvin Tip Off tourney is not a tournament at all.  Calvin will play Bluffton at 3 pm on Saturday.

Yeah, Ziggy and I were trying to figure this out. I would assume that Calvin wants to guarantee a game against D3 in-region Bluffton, but why not slate that for Friday and play it as a tournament? What's the reason for guaranteeing a game vs. Kuyper?

[oldknight]

Looks like all the throwing up was much ado about nothing, no College of Faith in the Calvin schedule released today: http://www.calvin.edu/sports/mens/basketball/schedule.htm

It looks like the Calvin Tip Off tourney is not a tournament at all.  Calvin will play Bluffton at 3 pm on Saturday.

Yeah, Ziggy and I were trying to figure this out. I would assume that Calvin wants to guarantee a game against D3 in-region Bluffton, but why not slate that for Friday and play it as a tournament? What's the reason for guaranteeing a game vs. Kuyper?

Reformed faith professional courtesy. Soteriological Calvinism, common grace and the antithesis.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Looks like all the throwing up was much ado about nothing, no College of Faith in the Calvin schedule released today: http://www.calvin.edu/sports/mens/basketball/schedule.htm

I'm surprised to see the CCIW/MIAA challenge is slated for VNA. Calvin hosted just two years ago and the event should be in Holland for the upcoming season. The schedule could be mistaken.

Hope hosted the volleyball championship the past two years, and it may be Calvin hosted since the De Vos was busy.

First thought was VB as well, but that's not it.

From the Hope VB schedule - Thursday-Saturday, Nov. 21-23, Hope hosts NCAA Finals at DeVos Fieldhouse

[goodknight]

Pull out the Pepto Bismol and top it with Marinol.
A highly reliable (and deeply morose) source within the Calvin athletic community confirms that the College of Faith will be making an appearance at the Calvin Tip-Off Tourney.  After a verbal agreement to participate, Bluffton pulled out.  Calvin was thisclose to getting UW-LAX into the tourney, but they couldn't get out an already scheduled game that conflicted with the Saturday of the Tip-Off weekend.
So now, the College of Faith, the collegiate equivalent of the Washington Generals, is marching into Grand Rapids for the Tip-Off Tourney.
Let us devoutly hope that Grace overwhelms Faith, and that Calvin schools Kuyper by well more than every square inch in the opening games of the Tip-Off.
Although, in the big picture, it matters not at all.  Calvin will not have a D3, in-region game for the Tip-Off, and will need to advance beyond the MIAA tourney semifinal in order to hit the 70 percent.
And then there's the SOS stench.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Pull out the Pepto Bismol and top it with Marinol.
A highly reliable (and deeply morose) source within the Calvin athletic community confirms that the College of Faith will be making an appearance at the Calvin Tip-Off Tourney.  After a verbal agreement to participate, Bluffton pulled out.  Calvin was thisclose to getting UW-LAX into the tourney, but they couldn't get out an already scheduled game that conflicted with the Saturday of the Tip-Off weekend.
So now, the College of Faith, the collegiate equivalent of the Washington Generals, is marching into Grand Rapids for the Tip-Off Tourney.
Let us devoutly hope that Grace overwhelms Faith, and that Calvin schools Kuyper by well more than every square inch in the opening games of the Tip-Off.
Although, in the big picture, it matters not at all.  Calvin will not have a D3, in-region game for the Tip-Off, and will need to advance beyond the MIAA tourney semifinal in order to hit the 70 percent.
And then there's the SOS stench.

Neither CoF or Grace counts towards SoS, as neither is NCAA.  But that IS cutting it awfully thin on the 70%.

[sac]

I hate to even bring this up but this might be the first completely non-NCAA, non-NAIA opponents for a D3 tournament I can remember.  Maybe my memories terrible on this but I can't recall one in the past.

[sac]

Pull out the Pepto Bismol and top it with Marinol.
A highly reliable (and deeply morose) source within the Calvin athletic community confirms that the College of Faith will be making an appearance at the Calvin Tip-Off Tourney.  After a verbal agreement to participate, Bluffton pulled out.  Calvin was thisclose to getting UW-LAX into the tourney, but they couldn't get out an already scheduled game that conflicted with the Saturday of the Tip-Off weekend.
So now, the College of Faith, the collegiate equivalent of the Washington Generals, is marching into Grand Rapids for the Tip-Off Tourney.
Let us devoutly hope that Grace overwhelms Faith, and that Calvin schools Kuyper by well more than every square inch in the opening games of the Tip-Off.
Although, in the big picture, it matters not at all.  Calvin will not have a D3, in-region game for the Tip-Off, and will need to advance beyond the MIAA tourney semifinal in order to hit the 70 percent.
And then there's the SOS stench.

Neither CoF or Grace counts towards SoS, as neither is NCAA.  But that IS cutting it awfully thin on the 70%.

without the 70% though Calvin's SOS provided from Manchester, Anderson, Finlandia isn't likely to be very good.   They need to be able to count the Carthage, Wheaton, CMS and Redlands games.

Moot anyway (or mute) but not reaching the MIAA finals probably means you aren't getting in the tournament.

[KnightSlappy]

Another argument for how poor the execution of the rankings by the GL RAC was last year. They want Calvin to schedule quality regional opponents, but they're just scrambling (and unable) to get to 70%.

[ziggy]

I love making the cross-state trip for Tip-Off Tourney weekend but I'll be honest, with that slate of games, I probably won't bother. Whether through no fault of their own or not the fact remains that the slate of games complete garbage.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Pull out the Pepto Bismol and top it with Marinol.
A highly reliable (and deeply morose) source within the Calvin athletic community confirms that the College of Faith will be making an appearance at the Calvin Tip-Off Tourney.  After a verbal agreement to participate, Bluffton pulled out.  Calvin was thisclose to getting UW-LAX into the tourney, but they couldn't get out an already scheduled game that conflicted with the Saturday of the Tip-Off weekend.
So now, the College of Faith, the collegiate equivalent of the Washington Generals, is marching into Grand Rapids for the Tip-Off Tourney.
Let us devoutly hope that Grace overwhelms Faith, and that Calvin schools Kuyper by well more than every square inch in the opening games of the Tip-Off.
Although, in the big picture, it matters not at all.  Calvin will not have a D3, in-region game for the Tip-Off, and will need to advance beyond the MIAA tourney semifinal in order to hit the 70 percent.
And then there's the SOS stench.

Neither CoF or Grace counts towards SoS, as neither is NCAA.  But that IS cutting it awfully thin on the 70%.

without the 70% though Calvin's SOS provided from Manchester, Anderson, Finlandia isn't likely to be very good.   They need to be able to count the Carthage, Wheaton, CMS and Redlands games.

Moot anyway (or mute) but not reaching the MIAA finals probably means you aren't getting in the tournament.

[/b]

True.  I meant to add that tidbit, but forgot.  A non-finalist has made the NCAAs VERY rarely.  Even in the "almighty" CCIW, being a finalist is necessary more years than not.  (That "almighty" is for you, sac - I know you've been cheesed at d3hoops.com for a perceived CCIW bias. )

(And I sure wish everyone could get 'moot' instead of 'mute' - pet peeve that I've almost given up on, like confusing 'disinterested' and 'uninterested'.)

[goodknight]

Pull out the Pepto Bismol and top it with Marinol.
A highly reliable (and deeply morose) source within the Calvin athletic community confirms that the College of Faith will be making an appearance at the Calvin Tip-Off Tourney.  After a verbal agreement to participate, Bluffton pulled out.  Calvin was thisclose to getting UW-LAX into the tourney, but they couldn't get out an already scheduled game that conflicted with the Saturday of the Tip-Off weekend.
So now, the College of Faith, the collegiate equivalent of the Washington Generals, is marching into Grand Rapids for the Tip-Off Tourney.
Let us devoutly hope that Grace overwhelms Faith, and that Calvin schools Kuyper by well more than every square inch in the opening games of the Tip-Off.
Although, in the big picture, it matters not at all.  Calvin will not have a D3, in-region game for the Tip-Off, and will need to advance beyond the MIAA tourney semifinal in order to hit the 70 percent.
And then there's the SOS stench.

Neither CoF or Grace counts towards SoS, as neither is NCAA.  But that IS cutting it awfully thin on the 70%.

without the 70% though Calvin's SOS provided from Manchester, Anderson, Finlandia isn't likely to be very good.   They need to be able to count the Carthage, Wheaton, CMS and Redlands games.

Moot anyway (or mute) but not reaching the MIAA finals probably means you aren't getting in the tournament.

That was my poorly articulated point about the SOS stench.  Thanks, sac, for picking me up there. 

The only consolation I can find in this scheduling mess is that this appears to be the final year for the Tip-Off Tourney.  It's not yet official, but Calvin and another MIAA school (not Hope) are in the process of finalizing a four-year deal beginning in the 2014-15 season to play two in-region D3 schools in a format similar to the MIAA-CCIW Challenge.  One of the schools is a traditional D3 athletic power, while the other is decidedly not, but seeking to establish a stronger basketball program.  That series would effectively supplant the Tip-Off Tourney, and go a long way toward giving Calvin a pair of much-needed in-region games, and at least one of them against a high-quality opponent, the first weekend of the season.

[wiz]

I hate to even bring this up but this might be the first completely non-NCAA, non-NAIA opponents for a D3 tournament I can remember.  Maybe my memories terrible on this but I can't recall one in the past.

I don't know if your memories terrible but your grammar are.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Earlier someone asked if conference tournament games were included in the 70% calculation. Did we ever get an answer on that? 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if only the 25 game regular season counts, doesn't this mean the Calvin's only chance to get in to the NCAA tournament is to win the conference tournament?

[KnightSlappy]

Earlier someone asked if conference tournament games were included in the 70% calculation. Did we ever get an answer on that? 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if only the 25 game regular season counts, doesn't this mean the Calvin's only chance to get in to the NCAA tournament is to win the conference tournament?

This is my understanding, yes.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2012/february/diii+championships+committee+addresses+regional+concerns+via+selection+criteria

committee members voted to include as part of the primary selection criteria for team sports the requirement that institutions play at least 70 percent of their competition against Division III in-region opponents beginning with the 2013-14 academic year.

While that's an increase from the current 50 percent, the Championships Committee also agreed that all contests against Division III institutions would be included in the primary criteria (with non-Division III competition included in the secondary criteria).

I'd be very surprised, though, if they didn't count league tournament games. They currently count them for selection criteria.

[oldknight]

Earlier someone asked if conference tournament games were included in the 70% calculation. Did we ever get an answer on that? 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if only the 25 game regular season counts, doesn't this mean the Calvin's only chance to get in to the NCAA tournament is to win the conference tournament?

This is my understanding, yes.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2012/february/diii+championships+committee+addresses+regional+concerns+via+selection+criteria

committee members voted to include as part of the primary selection criteria for team sports the requirement that institutions play at least 70 percent of their competition against Division III in-region opponents beginning with the 2013-14 academic year.

While that's an increase from the current 50 percent, the Championships Committee also agreed that all contests against Division III institutions would be included in the primary criteria (with non-Division III competition included in the secondary criteria).

I'd be very surprised, though, if they didn't count league tournament games. They currently count them for selection criteria.

Let me run this unlikely scenario by you. Let's say Calvin has a terrific regular season, going 25-0 (and a likely no. 1 ranking in the D3 hoops poll), but they get upset in the first game of the conference tournament. If that happens, the Knights have played 18 of their 26 games in-region, which is 69.2%. Is Calvin then ineligible for an at large spot? If so, the conference tournament semifinal would be a must win, while the conference final would almost certainly not.