MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

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sac

Wilmington beat D1 Miami(Ohio) yesterday 65-63
http://www.wilmingtonquakers.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/releases/201311235qkp2t

The Quakers will be playing Illinois Wesleyan at Hope's Tournament Dec 20.

Knight2Day

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Quote from: realist on November 23, 2013, 09:31:35 PM
On Jan 11th Hope wil be treated to the joy of seeing Calvin's volleyball team receive honors for getting Calvin's 10th  Championship BANNER. :)
We now resume our regular broadcast. :) :) :) :) :) :)

Calvin volleyball shows what playing tougher competition gets you..experience. When Coach Warners first started playing the Ohio and Wisconsin schools they had a rough go and lost a few, and now they just won their 2nd natty in 4 years, wish men's bball would take a page from her and Calvin's soccer programs' book. Play the best to be the best. Congrats Calvin volleyball, your alumni applaud you.

sac

So far the new foul rules have had a somewhat minimal impact on scoring, at least where MIAA games are concerned.

In this pretty small sample size of 25 games:
(25 games is about 1/6 of the total games played for MIAA teams in a season)

2013-  3545 points
2014-  3617 points

an increase of 2%


The MIAA might not be the best league to test the 'increased scoring theory' given the league both lost a lot of scoring to graduation and is very, very young.

KnightSlappy

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Quote from: sac on November 25, 2013, 01:51:14 PM
So far the new foul rules have had a somewhat minimal impact on scoring, at least where MIAA games are concerned.

In this pretty small sample size of 25 games:
(25 games is about 1/6 of the total games played for MIAA teams in a season)

2013-  3545 points
2014-  3617 points

an increase of 2%


The MIAA might not be the best league to test the 'increased scoring theory' given the league both lost a lot of scoring to graduation and is very, very young.

Through 650 D3 vs. D3 games, teams are averaging 73 possessions and 1.02 points per possession. I didn't keep track last year, but sort of assumed the averages were close to 70 and 1.00. If those are reasonably accurate, then we'd be looking at an increase in PPG of about 6%.

I like when the new foul calls allow for movement up around the three point line, I don't like when it rewards out-of-control players generating contact down low.

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Congrats to Mark Ghafari being MIAA player of the week.  Very well deserved. 
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sac

I was hoping it would be closer to a 10% increase in scoring, which would take us back to the mid/early 90's for scoring average.

6% erases about 10 years of clutching and grabbing effects.

KnightSlappy

Regarding my mid-range jump shot rant last week, Calvin (so far) has been shooting far fewer this year as a team.

2013: Layup: 40% -- 2-pt jumper 34% -- 3-pointer 27%
2014: Layup: 54% -- 2-pt jumper 18% -- 3-pointer 26%

We're probably seeing a lot of quality-of-opponent effects here, but it's something I'm going to keep an eye on.

BogeyMan

Regardless on whether it is a 2% or 6% increase in scoring, it would be interesting to know how many more foul shots were taken and what % of the increase in scoring are made foul shots!  It seems to me there has been just as many hand checks and more foul shots.  No proof on the last statement, just an observation.  Another observation is the battle on the block has not changed.  It's still a war!

KnightSlappy

Quote from: BogeyMan on November 25, 2013, 05:09:19 PM
Regardless on whether it is a 2% or 6% increase in scoring, it would be interesting to know how many more foul shots were taken and what % of the increase in scoring are made foul shots!  It seems to me there has been just as many hand checks and more foul shots.  No proof on the last statement, just an observation.  Another observation is the battle on the block has not changed.  It's still a war!

Quick check shows D3 games have averaged .49 FTA per FGA this year. I'm thinking that number was more like .36 previously (though I'll have to check on that). That would be an extra 12 FTA per game (both teams combined) which is probably something like 8 points combined.

Roundball999

Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 25, 2013, 06:11:22 PM
Quote from: BogeyMan on November 25, 2013, 05:09:19 PM
Regardless on whether it is a 2% or 6% increase in scoring, it would be interesting to know how many more foul shots were taken and what % of the increase in scoring are made foul shots!  It seems to me there has been just as many hand checks and more foul shots.  No proof on the last statement, just an observation.  Another observation is the battle on the block has not changed.  It's still a war!

Quick check shows D3 games have averaged .49 FTA per FGA this year. I'm thinking that number was more like .36 previously (though I'll have to check on that). That would be an extra 12 FTA per game (both teams combined) which is probably something like 8 points combined.

If that is true, isn't then most of the 2%-6% increase in scoring due to more made free throws while the clock is stopped?  I suppose some of those possessions would have resulted in made FGs if a foul had not been called; then again those same made FGs would have taken more time off the clock than FTs.  Now I'm confusing myself.  Nonetheless my preference for increased scoring would NOT be through incessant whistles and players parading to the foul line.  Some of these games have been painful to watch, frankly a little boring I think.

calvinite

Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 25, 2013, 05:02:05 PM
Regarding my mid-range jump shot rant last week, Calvin (so far) has been shooting far fewer this year as a team.

2013: Layup: 40% -- 2-pt jumper 34% -- 3-pointer 27%
2014: Layup: 54% -- 2-pt jumper 18% -- 3-pointer 26%

We're probably seeing a lot of quality-of-opponent effects here, but it's something I'm going to keep an eye on.

Possibly this is related to the new rules that are being discussed too? Why take a midrange jumpshot if it's easier to drive to the basket without getting an offensive foul call and/or it's easier to pass to someone under the basket because they are not being 'hand-checked' (shoved) away from the basket by a defender.....???? Just a thought...
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KnightSlappy

Quote from: Roundball999 on November 25, 2013, 06:44:41 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 25, 2013, 06:11:22 PM
Quote from: BogeyMan on November 25, 2013, 05:09:19 PM
Regardless on whether it is a 2% or 6% increase in scoring, it would be interesting to know how many more foul shots were taken and what % of the increase in scoring are made foul shots!  It seems to me there has been just as many hand checks and more foul shots.  No proof on the last statement, just an observation.  Another observation is the battle on the block has not changed.  It's still a war!

Quick check shows D3 games have averaged .49 FTA per FGA this year. I'm thinking that number was more like .36 previously (though I'll have to check on that). That would be an extra 12 FTA per game (both teams combined) which is probably something like 8 points combined.

If that is true, isn't then most of the 2%-6% increase in scoring due to more made free throws while the clock is stopped?  I suppose some of those possessions would have resulted in made FGs if a foul had not been called; then again those same made FGs would have taken more time off the clock than FTs.  Now I'm confusing myself.  Nonetheless my preference for increased scoring would NOT be through incessant whistles and players parading to the foul line.  Some of these games have been painful to watch, frankly a little boring I think.

I think so, yes, but I really don't have enough data to say that is definitely the case. We'll see how things progress as the season goes on.

In my estimation, scoring is up because (1) teams are scoring at a higher rate per possession, and (2) teams are getting more possessions. Both would be a logical result of more FTA.

calvinite

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Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 25, 2013, 06:11:22 PM
Quote from: BogeyMan on November 25, 2013, 05:09:19 PM
Regardless on whether it is a 2% or 6% increase in scoring, it would be interesting to know how many more foul shots were taken and what % of the increase in scoring are made foul shots!  It seems to me there has been just as many hand checks and more foul shots.  No proof on the last statement, just an observation.  Another observation is the battle on the block has not changed.  It's still a war!

Quick check shows D3 games have averaged .49 FTA per FGA this year. I'm thinking that number was more like .36 previously (though I'll have to check on that). That would be an extra 12 FTA per game (both teams combined) which is probably something like 8 points combined.

Through 3 games, Stevens Point games are averaging 13 extra FTA... 8 by the Pointers and 5 by the opponents.
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