MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

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UM-Dearborn 54  Adrian 45

What a difference a year and a few players makes. 


Chicago 100  Kalamazoo 83

Chicago blew it open to start the second half.  Mark Ghafari had 22 at halftime, finished with 29.

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                    CU conducts a clinic at the VNA 85-66.
                    A complete game summary is CU controlled the opening tip, every aspect, and facet of the game from that point to the end.


                Losing to Cornerstone isn't the worst thing in the world (other than bragging rights, the game doesn't really "count" in terms of post season, etc)...

                But was anybody else surprised by the margin?

            Not really,  I told the friend I was with that the final would be Cornerstone by at least 25. That just based on how poorly they handled Cornerstone's pressure defense.


        Personally I think it's absolutely embarrassing for us to think that a team as talented as Calvin should lose by 25 to anyone short of a D1. With the size and talent we have, losing by 20 to any NAIA or D3 team is a joke.

    I don't disagree with you.

I'll disagree. Nobody on Calvin's squad looks comfortable bringing the ball up against any sort of pressure. Cornerstone's smaller, quicker, point guards gave Daley, Parks, and to a lesser extent, Brink trouble. I think we'll see Calvin continue to struggle with pressure on the perimeter. Size doesn't matter if you can't get them the ball in spots where they can be effective.
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While I certainly agree that Calvin played very poorly against Cornerstone, I thought the guards did a reasonable job of bringing the ball up against the press.  Most of the turnovers and problems came due to a lack of movement through the middle and the failure to make effective interior passes as they have so often this year.  Players were not coming out for the passes or setting as many screens.  They seemed to learn a great deal from Friday night and after the slow start so much like Friday's game, they really started movement and using a variety of ways of setting up opportunities.  The inside back to the outside passes started setting up better shots.  They were using inside screens most of the time.  They were a different team.  But I thought the greatest change came with the big men doing a much more effective job of getting open and playing defense rather than the guards doing all that much different.  Compare Mickey De Vries' outstanding game on Saturday in which he shot 7 for 7 and had several blocks with his game on Thursday in which he missed at least 3 layups and immediately was in foul trouble.  Although Cornerstone had a lot to do with the problems because of their speed, it was more a case of an overall team lack of sip than a problem caused by the guards.

[calvinite]

I'll disagree. Nobody on Calvin's squad looks comfortable bringing the ball up against any sort of pressure. Cornerstone's smaller, quicker, point guards gave Daley, Parks, and to a lesser extent, Brink trouble. I think we'll see Calvin continue to struggle with pressure on the perimeter. Size doesn't matter if you can't get them the ball in spots where they can be effective.

No doubt that the point guard is of concern for Knight fans, but I don't think 'bringing the ball up against any sort of pressure' is Calvin's biggest concern at this point. For as much trouble as "Conerstone's smaller, quicker point guards gave Daley, Parks..." it's interesting to note that Daley had 2 turn overs and Parks 1 (the team recorded a respectable 12 total turnovers). Just for heck of it (and not directly related) I looked up the Hope/Cornerstone box score. Ben Gardener (who has much more varsity experience and has received much praise on this board) had 5 turnovers against Cornerstone.

Mostly I think the premise that that started this conversation is a little pointless. Some would say it's embarrassing for the #1 football team in the nation to allow an opponent to win a game by running back a field goal attempt 109 yards.  Yah, I was pretty disappointed with Calvin's performance against Cornerstone. Am I embarrassed by their performance? No, I'm not.

[13xchamp]

I agree that CU's pressure isn't what unsettled the Knights. I thought the guards did a nice job of not over dribbling and passing the ball before the traps got to them. Plain and simple it was CU's ability to make shots, 3's in the first half and FTs in the 2nd. Calvin was a step slow all night- closing out shooters, sliding in front of penetration and boxing out. I figured Hope would be able stay with CU due to Neil's preference to play the match ups as opposed to Calvin's "system". Its tough for a kid who's 6'7" to cover a 6' guard running through screens from sideline to sideline and we saw some of that frustration boil over on the court. The match ups and defensive intensity vs Aquinas were much better for the Knights and the scoreboard showed it.

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At the moment, Cornerstone is on track to lose 2 more games this season.  Ferris State and the return trip to Davenport.  They'll probably drop one or two more because the WHAC can pull surprises every now and again.

Losing to a single digit losing Cornerstone team that's probably headed for multiple post-season basketball games probably isn't much to be concerned about.  Large margin or not, sometimes it happens when you don't play well against good teams.

2013:  Wheaton 54  Calvin 37

[oldknight]

CU conducts a clinic at the VNA 85-66.
A complete game summary is CU controlled the opening tip, every aspect, and facet of the game from that point to the end.

Losing to Cornerstone isn't the worst thing in the world (other than bragging rights, the game doesn't really "count" in terms of post season, etc)...

But was anybody else surprised by the margin?

Not really,  I told the friend I was with that the final would be Cornerstone by at least 25. That just based on how poorly they handled Cornerstone's pressure defense.

Personally I think it's absolutely embarrassing for us to think that a team as talented as Calvin should lose by 25 to anyone short of a D1. With the size and talent we have, losing by 20 to any NAIA or D3 team is a joke.

It's easy for any of us to use hyperbole when we get too high or too low about our favorite team's performance. Is a 19 point loss to a very good NAIA school an embarrassment? I was disappointed but I didn't think it was embarrassing. Last year's 17 point loss to Wheaton sac referred to? I was at that game and believe me, that one was a lot closer to an embarrassment. Performances do vary during the course of a season, especially in November when teams are trying to get things settled. Last month, MSU outplayed no. 1 ranked Kentucky on a neutral court and claimed the top spot. Three days later, the Spartans took on an unheralded and overmatched Columbia University squad at the Breslin and needed to score the last 7 points over the final 1:14 to beat an Ivy League opponent by nine. Was that an embarrassment? I guess each of us will make our own judgment.

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Tom Renner announces retirement:  http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2013/12/tom_renner_hopes_vp_of_communi.html#incart_river_default

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Trine 71  Anderson 48
http://athletics.anderson.edu/boxscore.aspx?path=mbball&id=681

Thunder held the ravens to 16 second half points, 21% shooting

Good 17, Tatu 16, Watkins 11

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just fyi, if you put any faith in massey being somewhat accurate Cornerstone would be #13 in D3, right ahead of Illinois Wesleyan.  They are an awfully good basketball team.

[Gregory Sager]

I'll have no problem whatsoever putting faith in Massey ... about a month from now.

[KnightSlappy]

Just as we were all expecting, Calvin moves UP two spots to #9 in the latest poll.

http://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2013-14/week2

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Just as we were all expecting, Calvin moves UP two spots to #9 in the latest poll.

http://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2013-14/week2

Huh?

[KnightSlappy]

Just as we were all expecting, Calvin moves UP two spots to #9 in the latest poll.

http://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2013-14/week2

Huh?

ziggy and I chatted yesterday, and we decided Calvin probably wouldn't fall past 20. 

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Just as we were all expecting, Calvin moves UP two spots to #9 in the latest poll.

http://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2013-14/week2

Huh?

ziggy and I chatted yesterday, and we decided Calvin probably wouldn't fall past 20. 

Congrats on your prognostication skills 

FWIW -  I would have been in agreement with that prediction

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Marietta lost to Wooster and moved up 1.
DePauw lost to WashU and moved up 1