MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[HopeConvert]

http://new.livestream.com/calvin-college/events/2523335

At about 1:32:40  you can hear the phone ring and Doug answer it.  His explanation continues into 1:34

Around 1:39/1:40 is the "hissy fit"

Actually, "jump ball" was a justifiable call there. Not an obvious foul.

[ziggy]

I'm not sure what the MIAA-CCIW challenge proved over the weekend other than that applying transitive properties to compare teams doesn't work.

The thing is, the four game slate is kind of a microcosm of the D3 season so far. Take what we saw between Calvin, Carthage, Hope and Wheaton, but apply it over the top 50ish teams then try to make a top 25 poll. That's basically what the pollsters have had to deal with.

[KnightSlappy]

http://new.livestream.com/calvin-college/events/2523335

At about 1:32:40  you can hear the phone ring and Doug answer it.  His explanation continues into 1:34

Around 1:39/1:40 is the "hissy fit"

Actually, "jump ball" was a justifiable call there. Not an obvious foul.

That was my feeling, but I was on the far side of the gym and didn't have a good look.

I'm not sure what the MIAA-CCIW challenge proved over the weekend other than that applying transitive properties to compare teams doesn't work.

The thing is, the four game slate is kind of a microcosm of the D3 season so far. Take what we saw between Calvin, Carthage, Hope and Wheaton, but apply it over the top 50ish teams then try to make a top 25 poll. That's basically what the pollsters have had to deal with.

It doesn't work on the small scale, but that's basically what Massey does on the large scale.

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It doesn't work on the small scale, but that's basically what Massey does on the large scale.

In a three-dimensional inter-tangled web sort of way, rather than a more linear way fans (and likely poll voters) would.

[Pat Coleman]

http://new.livestream.com/calvin-college/events/2523335

At about 1:32:40  you can hear the phone ring and Doug answer it.  His explanation continues into 1:34

Around 1:39/1:40 is the "hissy fit"

I watched the game today, and I have to agree that the phone call was hilarious. I hope that Doug Wentworth's sister Joyce is doing well down in Florida.

When I first started doing webcasts for NPU, the advice that I got from fellow broadcasters was always the same: "Time and score, time and score, never forget to keep repeating time and score as often as possible." But if I were to give a neophyte broadcaster advice, I'd say, "Never forget to keep repeating time and score as often as possible -- and to turn off your cell phone before you go on the air."

On the rare occasions that I get a phone call on the air that I feel I have to take, I usually just answer it while continuing to do PBP and the other person passes along whatever important message while the analyst is talking.

This was in the days before text messaging -- we would occasionally share info from other games that way.

[13xchamp]

I think this weekend proved once again what kind of teams are going to give Calvin the most trouble- 3 guard lineups where all 3 can penetrate, and shoot 3's. Carthage eventually broke them down to loosen things up for their big man-Senior to go to work on O. Speaking of Senior, I don't know if I have ever seen a player play the kind of post "D" he did after he picked up his 3rd foul, once his man got the ball he literally ran away. (Knightslappy- does this ever factor into your "sitting a player in foul trouble" argument?) Then Bosko got tired of watching so he hid him in a zone and Calvin promptly obliged by handing them the ball time and time again.
The match ups on Saturday were much better for the Knights- and Hope, for that matter. Although Carthage's lack of depth doesn't make it favorable to play 2 games in less than 48 hours, once Hope started to pull away it was a lay up line. Coincidently, this was the 4th Hope game I have seen this season and the forth different line up. Does Neil go around the locker room before the game with a deck of cards and have each player pull one to determine the rotation? Anyhow, I never thought Calvin would pummel Wheaton like they did, as bad as the second half was on Friday, the entire 40 mins vs Wheaton made up for it. The lead never got below 21 in the second half and officiating went into "game management" mode, or should have. Look, no one in Van Noord wanted to see constant stoppages at that point, but what can't happen did- players getting started to get frustrated, then chippy with each other, and then something I have never witnessed- the Wheaton coach getting T'd up for arguing a call that went HIS way. But let the record show that exactly 2 totally unbiased people agreed with it- the covering official..... and HopeConverthttp://www.d3boards.com/Smileys/classic/smiley.gif

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Coincidently, this was the 4th Hope game I have seen this season and the forth different line up. Does Neil go around the locker room before the game with a deck of cards and have each player pull one to determine the rotation?

It's not that unusual for a young team to have some lineup shifts early in the year, especially when you add that two seniors were out for the first few games (Neil finishing the soccer season and Byers injured). 

[oldknight]

http://new.livestream.com/calvin-college/events/2523335

At about 1:32:40  you can hear the phone ring and Doug answer it.  His explanation continues into 1:34

Around 1:39/1:40 is the "hissy fit"

Actually, "jump ball" was a justifiable call there. Not an obvious foul.

The video appears different than the view did to endzone fans closest to the action at the time, including the woman with whom I share a bed. She expressed some unhappiness with the official's ruling. I've learned from bitter experience you just don't cross swords with the normally mild mannered Mrs. OldKnight, whose commentary may have forced the ref to T up Schauer.

[sac]

Something I had forgotten myself was Saturday was the 3rd game in 4 days for both Wheaton and Carthage.  Perhaps fatigue played into their performances.

[KnightSlappy]

I think this weekend proved once again what kind of teams are going to give Calvin the most trouble- 3 guard lineups where all 3 can penetrate, and shoot 3's. Carthage eventually broke them down to loosen things up for their big man-Senior to go to work on O. Speaking of Senior, I don't know if I have ever seen a player play the kind of post "D" he did after he picked up his 3rd foul, once his man got the ball he literally ran away. (Knightslappy- does this ever factor into your "sitting a player in foul trouble" argument?) Then Bosko got tired of watching so he hid him in a zone and Calvin promptly obliged by handing them the ball time and time again.

I'm not sure if you're arguing with me or against me.

Who would have benefited most from Marlon Senior (who played 40 minutes) sitting for 5 minutes on Friday, Calvin or Carthage?

[13xchamp]

I think this weekend proved once again what kind of teams are going to give Calvin the most trouble- 3 guard lineups where all 3 can penetrate, and shoot 3's. Carthage eventually broke them down to loosen things up for their big man-Senior to go to work on O. Speaking of Senior, I don't know if I have ever seen a player play the kind of post "D" he did after he picked up his 3rd foul, once his man got the ball he literally ran away. (Knightslappy- does this ever factor into your "sitting a player in foul trouble" argument?) Then Bosko got tired of watching so he hid him in a zone and Calvin promptly obliged by handing them the ball time and time again.

I'm not sure if you're arguing with me or against me.

Who would have benefited most from Marlon Senior (who played 40 minutes) sitting for 5 minutes on Friday, Calvin or Carthage?

Just chiding you. But almost all of Calvins offense early in the second came via whomever he was guarding in the post, don't you agree? He came alive about midway through the second half and his FTs helped seal it. Carthage really didn't have another big to go to, forcing Bosko's hand.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

http://new.livestream.com/calvin-college/events/2523335

At about 1:32:40  you can hear the phone ring and Doug answer it.  His explanation continues into 1:34

Around 1:39/1:40 is the "hissy fit"

Actually, "jump ball" was a justifiable call there. Not an obvious foul.

The video appears different than the view did to endzone fans closest to the action at the time, including the woman with whom I share a bed. She expressed some unhappiness with the official's ruling. I've learned from bitter experience you just don't cross swords with the normally mild mannered Mrs. OldKnight, whose commentary may have forced the ref to T up Schauer.

Rather, I think that moment was the small straw that broke the camel's back.  While I'm not entirely sure that Coach Schauer ever actually speaks to his own players, he had plenty of words all afternoon for the refs and they were getting visibly sick of it.  They finally T'd him up but it didn't really slow him down much.  I haven't seen a coach spend that much time on the court of play in the refs' ears since a certain MIAA coach retired. 

[John Gleich]

http://new.livestream.com/calvin-college/events/2523335

At about 1:32:40  you can hear the phone ring and Doug answer it.  His explanation continues into 1:34

Around 1:39/1:40 is the "hissy fit"

Actually, "jump ball" was a justifiable call there. Not an obvious foul.

The video appears different than the view did to endzone fans closest to the action at the time, including the woman with whom I share a bed. She expressed some unhappiness with the official's ruling. I've learned from bitter experience you just don't cross swords with the normally mild mannered Mrs. OldKnight, whose commentary may have forced the ref to T up Schauer.

Rather, I think that moment was the small straw that broke the camel's back.  While I'm not entirely sure that Coach Schauer ever actually speaks to his own players, he had plenty of words all afternoon for the refs and they were getting visibly sick of it.  They finally T'd him up but it didn't really slow him down much.  I haven't seen a coach spend that much time on the court of play in the refs' ears since a certain MIAA coach retired.

I wonder if that would have happened if the game was played at Wheaton (not because he'd be on his "best behavior" at home...) because coach etiquette is high in the spot light in Illinois on the high school level.

In the 2A state final last year, there were several different incidents involving coaches and officials and got a player injected that have caused the IHSA to come down INCREDIBLY hard on coaches to prevent anything like this happening again:

http://www.csnchicago.com/preps/ihsa-completes-investigation-class-2a-boys-basketball-championship-game

Here are the rules changes:

http://basketball.dailyherald.com/article/20131119/sports/711199710/

Because there's undoubtably some crossover between high school and college refs, I wonder if the refs in Illinois will be less patient with college coaches in the present/future.

[sac]

Ugh, remember when MHSAA coaches couldn't even stand up from the bench?

[knightvision]

Rather, I think that moment was the small straw that broke the camel's back.  While I'm not entirely sure that Coach Schauer ever actually speaks to his own players, he had plenty of words all afternoon for the refs and they were getting visibly sick of it.  They finally T'd him up but it didn't really slow him down much.  I haven't seen a coach spend that much time on the court of play in the refs' ears since a certain MIAA coach retired.

Please be more specific--are we talking barking with a not so subtle sarcastic bite that made some us think Mike Turner was a not so distant relative of Ed Douma, or are we referring to GVW and what for Calvin fans reminded some of us of the 3 year-old  in the check out line at the grocery store whose mom just told him she wasn't buying him the candy he wanted?

I can't recall a specific Mike Turner tech, but two techs from long ago are burned into my memory.  The first was Douma's after a stoppage in play when a player trying to save a ball from going out of bounds threw the ball back in play off the backboard.  With the crowd quiet after the refs conferred and made the wrong call, Eddie pointed out in his shrill cackle that if the ball had in fact gone off the back of the backboard, it would have gone out of bounds instead of straight down--which everyone at Knollcrest thought was rather funny, except for the ref, who promptly teed him up.  The smirk on his face as he walked back to the bench was classic Douma.

My unforgettable GVW tech was when he was somewhat anxiously pacing the Hope sideline at Knollcrest and literally reached out and touched/grabbed a Calvin player who was in front of the Hope bench while a play was unfolding.  It was nothing malicious--and I've often wondered what was going through his head at the time.  For me those capture a good bit of my impression of their respective personalities--Douma the smarty-pants who always wanted the last word, and GVW the nervous roamer. 

And lest you Hope fans think I'm picking on GVW, the KVS foot stomp reminds of the 3 year old at the grocery store check out line.