MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

I've had a chance to watch all 8 MIAA teams either live or on video.  I think I'd break them into these groups right now

Calvin
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a little gap
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Hope
Albion
Kzoo
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Trine
Olivet
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Alma
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Adrian

I still need to see more on that second group of teams, but to this point I've seen enough to think Albion and Kzoo are better than last year.  I have Adrian last although I think they're very capable of beating about 5 or 6 teams in the league but right now they have the worst loss in the league by a mile.  I need to see more from Alma, unfortunately I think they're heading for a 1-10 start.

Hope's 2-4 mark probably doesn't warrant the second group but I feel pretty strongly every team in the league would have the same 2-4 record and probably worse for a couple teams.

Trine's a little confusing to me right now.

[sac]

Rather, I think that moment was the small straw that broke the camel's back.  While I'm not entirely sure that Coach Schauer ever actually speaks to his own players, he had plenty of words all afternoon for the refs and they were getting visibly sick of it.  They finally T'd him up but it didn't really slow him down much.  I haven't seen a coach spend that much time on the court of play in the refs' ears since a certain MIAA coach retired.

Please be more specific--are we talking barking with a not so subtle sarcastic bite that made some us think Mike Turner was a not so distant relative of Ed Douma, or are we referring to GVW and what for Calvin fans reminded some of us of the 3 year-old  in the check out line at the grocery store whose mom just told him she wasn't buying him the candy he wanted?

I can't recall a specific Mike Turner tech, but two techs from long ago are burned into my memory.  The first was Douma's after a stoppage in play when a player trying to save a ball from going out of bounds threw the ball back in play off the backboard.  With the crowd quiet after the refs conferred and made the wrong call, Eddie pointed out in his shrill cackle that if the ball had in fact gone off the back of the backboard, it would have gone out of bounds instead of straight down--which everyone at Knollcrest thought was rather funny, except for the ref, who promptly teed him up.  The smirk on his face as he walked back to the bench was classic Douma.

My unforgettable GVW tech was when he was somewhat anxiously pacing the Hope sideline at Knollcrest and literally reached out and touched/grabbed a Calvin player who was in front of the Hope bench while a play was unfolding.  It was nothing malicious--and I've often wondered what was going through his head at the time.  For me those capture a good bit of my impression of their respective personalities--Douma the smarty-pants who always wanted the last word, and GVW the nervous roamer. 

And lest you Hope fans think I'm picking on GVW, the KVS foot stomp reminds of the 3 year old at the grocery store check out line.

Nothing will ever match Hacklin's snow angel in Knollcrest during a Hope/K game.

[wiz]

Rather, I think that moment was the small straw that broke the camel's back.  While I'm not entirely sure that Coach Schauer ever actually speaks to his own players, he had plenty of words all afternoon for the refs and they were getting visibly sick of it.  They finally T'd him up but it didn't really slow him down much.  I haven't seen a coach spend that much time on the court of play in the refs' ears since a certain MIAA coach retired.

Please be more specific--are we talking barking with a not so subtle sarcastic bite that made some us think Mike Turner was a not so distant relative of Ed Douma, or are we referring to GVW and what for Calvin fans reminded some of us of the 3 year-old  in the check out line at the grocery store whose mom just told him she wasn't buying him the candy he wanted?

I can't recall a specific Mike Turner tech, but two techs from long ago are burned into my memory.  The first was Douma's after a stoppage in play when a player trying to save a ball from going out of bounds threw the ball back in play off the backboard.  With the crowd quiet after the refs conferred and made the wrong call, Eddie pointed out in his shrill cackle that if the ball had in fact gone off the back of the backboard, it would have gone out of bounds instead of straight down--which everyone at Knollcrest thought was rather funny, except for the ref, who promptly teed him up.  The smirk on his face as he walked back to the bench was classic Douma.

My unforgettable GVW tech was when he was somewhat anxiously pacing the Hope sideline at Knollcrest and literally reached out and touched/grabbed a Calvin player who was in front of the Hope bench while a play was unfolding.  It was nothing malicious--and I've often wondered what was going through his head at the time.  For me those capture a good bit of my impression of their respective personalities--Douma the smarty-pants who always wanted the last word, and GVW the nervous roamer. 

And lest you Hope fans think I'm picking on GVW, the KVS foot stomp reminds of the 3 year old at the grocery store check out line.

Nothing will ever match Hacklin's snow angel in Knollcrest during a Hope/K game.

I immediately thought of Hacklin too.  Although he was not a MIAA coach, older fans may remember the king of coaching antics in GVSU's Tom Villemure.

[knightvision]

I immediately thought of Hacklin too.  Although he was not a MIAA coach, older fans may remember the king of coaching antics in GVSU's Tom Villemure.

Imagine the impression Coach Villemure made on a CRC kid at GVSU during a recruiting visit as we toured the construction of their field house.  The hard hat made him about 5'6", and he chain smoked the entire morning.  Visit was capped off with lunch at the cafeteria with two players who had just returned from a spring break trip to Florida where if they were to be believed they managed the entire trip down and back without paying for a single meal--first time this sheltered Dutch youngster had heard of "dine and dash."

A somewhat different approach than a neatly handwritten note from Coach Vroon and a polite phone call....

[thealmascots]

Rather, I think that moment was the small straw that broke the camel's back.  While I'm not entirely sure that Coach Schauer ever actually speaks to his own players, he had plenty of words all afternoon for the refs and they were getting visibly sick of it.  They finally T'd him up but it didn't really slow him down much.  I haven't seen a coach spend that much time on the court of play in the refs' ears since a certain MIAA coach retired.

Please be more specific--are we talking barking with a not so subtle sarcastic bite that made some us think Mike Turner was a not so distant relative of Ed Douma, or are we referring to GVW and what for Calvin fans reminded some of us of the 3 year-old  in the check out line at the grocery store whose mom just told him she wasn't buying him the candy he wanted?

I can't recall a specific Mike Turner tech, but two techs from long ago are burned into my memory.  The first was Douma's after a stoppage in play when a player trying to save a ball from going out of bounds threw the ball back in play off the backboard.  With the crowd quiet after the refs conferred and made the wrong call, Eddie pointed out in his shrill cackle that if the ball had in fact gone off the back of the backboard, it would have gone out of bounds instead of straight down--which everyone at Knollcrest thought was rather funny, except for the ref, who promptly teed him up.  The smirk on his face as he walked back to the bench was classic Douma.

My unforgettable GVW tech was when he was somewhat anxiously pacing the Hope sideline at Knollcrest and literally reached out and touched/grabbed a Calvin player who was in front of the Hope bench while a play was unfolding.  It was nothing malicious--and I've often wondered what was going through his head at the time.  For me those capture a good bit of my impression of their respective personalities--Douma the smarty-pants who always wanted the last word, and GVW the nervous roamer. 

And lest you Hope fans think I'm picking on GVW, the KVS foot stomp reminds of the 3 year old at the grocery store check out line.

Nothing will ever match Hacklin's snow angel in Knollcrest during a Hope/K game.

Long live Coach Hacklin!!!

[Stinger]

It's spelled Haklin.   Great man.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

New poll is out - Calvin drops from #9 to #14, Wheaton drops from #13 to #22, and UWSP is the new #1. 

[oldknight]

I immediately thought of Hacklin too.  Although he was not a MIAA coach, older fans may remember the king of coaching antics in GVSU's Tom Villemure.

Imagine the impression Coach Villemure made on a CRC kid at GVSU during a recruiting visit as we toured the construction of their field house.  The hard hat made him about 5'6", and he chain smoked the entire morning.  Visit was capped off with lunch at the cafeteria with two players who had just returned from a spring break trip to Florida where if they were to be believed they managed the entire trip down and back without paying for a single meal--first time this sheltered Dutch youngster had heard of "dine and dash."

A somewhat different approach than a neatly handwritten note from Coach Vroon and a polite phone call....

Sure would like to have met that sheltered Dutch youngster. Wonder whatever happened to him?

[HopeConvert]

Rather, I think that moment was the small straw that broke the camel's back.  While I'm not entirely sure that Coach Schauer ever actually speaks to his own players, he had plenty of words all afternoon for the refs and they were getting visibly sick of it.  They finally T'd him up but it didn't really slow him down much.  I haven't seen a coach spend that much time on the court of play in the refs' ears since a certain MIAA coach retired.

Please be more specific--are we talking barking with a not so subtle sarcastic bite that made some us think Mike Turner was a not so distant relative of Ed Douma, or are we referring to GVW and what for Calvin fans reminded some of us of the 3 year-old  in the check out line at the grocery store whose mom just told him she wasn't buying him the candy he wanted?

I can't recall a specific Mike Turner tech, but two techs from long ago are burned into my memory.  The first was Douma's after a stoppage in play when a player trying to save a ball from going out of bounds threw the ball back in play off the backboard.  With the crowd quiet after the refs conferred and made the wrong call, Eddie pointed out in his shrill cackle that if the ball had in fact gone off the back of the backboard, it would have gone out of bounds instead of straight down--which everyone at Knollcrest thought was rather funny, except for the ref, who promptly teed him up.  The smirk on his face as he walked back to the bench was classic Douma.

My unforgettable GVW tech was when he was somewhat anxiously pacing the Hope sideline at Knollcrest and literally reached out and touched/grabbed a Calvin player who was in front of the Hope bench while a play was unfolding.  It was nothing malicious--and I've often wondered what was going through his head at the time.  For me those capture a good bit of my impression of their respective personalities--Douma the smarty-pants who always wanted the last word, and GVW the nervous roamer. 

And lest you Hope fans think I'm picking on GVW, the KVS foot stomp reminds of the 3 year old at the grocery store check out line.

That was against Andy Draayer in the MIAA Championship game, a game Hope won, but was made dicey by the technical GVW received. As I recall, he was quite sheepish about it. Draayer was pulling up in front of him to shoot a 3, and GVW just reached out and gave him a little shove in the back. It was certainly one way to deal with Draayer.

[HopeConvert]

Coincidently, this was the 4th Hope game I have seen this season and the forth different line up. Does Neil go around the locker room before the game with a deck of cards and have each player pull one to determine the rotation?

It's not that unusual for a young team to have some lineup shifts early in the year, especially when you add that two seniors were out for the first few games (Neil finishing the soccer season and Byers injured).

Not sure that should have made a difference, but I understand why it does.

[pointlem]

That was against Andy Draayer in the MIAA Championship game, a game Hope won, but was made dicey by the technical GVW received. As I recall, he was quite sheepish about it. Draayer was pulling up in front of him to shoot a 3, and GVW just reached out and gave him a little shove in the back. It was certainly one way to deal with Draayer.

HopeConvert, as I recall that play (others may have different recollections), GVW's problem was his standing at the edge of the court, and Draayer, right in front of him, was falling slightly back as he shot.  GVW's putting his hand on Draayer's back was--I'll wager GVW would explain--more instinctive self-protection than a shove.  It deserved the T, but I don't think it was an intentional shove.

[sac]

Rather, I think that moment was the small straw that broke the camel's back.  While I'm not entirely sure that Coach Schauer ever actually speaks to his own players, he had plenty of words all afternoon for the refs and they were getting visibly sick of it.  They finally T'd him up but it didn't really slow him down much.  I haven't seen a coach spend that much time on the court of play in the refs' ears since a certain MIAA coach retired.

Please be more specific--are we talking barking with a not so subtle sarcastic bite that made some us think Mike Turner was a not so distant relative of Ed Douma, or are we referring to GVW and what for Calvin fans reminded some of us of the 3 year-old  in the check out line at the grocery store whose mom just told him she wasn't buying him the candy he wanted?

I can't recall a specific Mike Turner tech, but two techs from long ago are burned into my memory.  The first was Douma's after a stoppage in play when a player trying to save a ball from going out of bounds threw the ball back in play off the backboard.  With the crowd quiet after the refs conferred and made the wrong call, Eddie pointed out in his shrill cackle that if the ball had in fact gone off the back of the backboard, it would have gone out of bounds instead of straight down--which everyone at Knollcrest thought was rather funny, except for the ref, who promptly teed him up.  The smirk on his face as he walked back to the bench was classic Douma.

My unforgettable GVW tech was when he was somewhat anxiously pacing the Hope sideline at Knollcrest and literally reached out and touched/grabbed a Calvin player who was in front of the Hope bench while a play was unfolding.  It was nothing malicious--and I've often wondered what was going through his head at the time.  For me those capture a good bit of my impression of their respective personalities--Douma the smarty-pants who always wanted the last word, and GVW the nervous roamer. 

And lest you Hope fans think I'm picking on GVW, the KVS foot stomp reminds of the 3 year old at the grocery store check out line.

That was against Andy Draayer in the MIAA Championship game, a game Hope won, but was made dicey by the technical GVW received. As I recall, he was quite sheepish about it. Draayer was pulling up in front of him to shoot a 3, and GVW just reached out and gave him a little shove in the back. It was certainly one way to deal with Draayer.

More specifically the 2006 MIAA Championship game, Hope won 68-55.  The 4th of 9 Hope/Calvin games over the 2006 and 2007 seasons.

[HopeConvert]

That was against Andy Draayer in the MIAA Championship game, a game Hope won, but was made dicey by the technical GVW received. As I recall, he was quite sheepish about it. Draayer was pulling up in front of him to shoot a 3, and GVW just reached out and gave him a little shove in the back. It was certainly one way to deal with Draayer.

HopeConvert, as I recall that play (others may have different recollections), GVW's problem was his standing at the edge of the court, and Draayer, right in front of him, was falling slightly back as he shot.  GVW's putting his hand on Draayer's back was--I'll wager GVW would explain--more instinctive self-protection than a shove.  It deserved the T, but I don't think it was an intentional shove.

I was across the floor that night, but a reputable source with unimpeachable Hope homerism credentials who was right there thought it more a shove. I was told by this source that GVW sheepishly confessed it was "just instinctive defense," not putting the word "self" in front of it. 

[wiz]

Tyler Kruis named MIAA Player of the Week, thanks in part to his blistering 75% FG shooting over two games of the MIAA/CCIW Challenge.

[oldknight]

That was against Andy Draayer in the MIAA Championship game, a game Hope won, but was made dicey by the technical GVW received. As I recall, he was quite sheepish about it. Draayer was pulling up in front of him to shoot a 3, and GVW just reached out and gave him a little shove in the back. It was certainly one way to deal with Draayer.

HopeConvert, as I recall that play (others may have different recollections), GVW's problem was his standing at the edge of the court, and Draayer, right in front of him, was falling slightly back as he shot.  GVW's putting his hand on Draayer's back was--I'll wager GVW would explain--more instinctive self-protection than a shove.  It deserved the T, but I don't think it was an intentional shove.

I was across the floor that night, but a reputable source with unimpeachable Hope homerism credentials who was right there thought it more a shove. I was told by this source that GVW sheepishly confessed it was "just instinctive defense," not putting the word "self" in front of it. 

Here is my 2006 report on the technical foul call on GVW:

The T called on Glenn was interesting. As Draayer passed by the Hope bench on his way to setting up the 3 ball he shot and made, Glenn was standing on the floor (just barely) and pointing--presumably to his players. Glenn's hand or finger inadvertantly brushed Draayer as he went by, the shot went in, and the trailing ref never hesitated
in blowing his whistle and pointing to Glenn while making the call. I think Glenn's argument was essentially that he touched Draayer before Draayer ever shot the ball and therefore the T call should nullify the field goal attempt. That's actually a pretty good argument but the ref didn't buy it and it turned into a 5 point play for Calvin.