MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

I'm sure someone knows this answer with no research needed...since Calvin opened their beautiful new arena (I do really like it), what is the record of the Rivalry on Calvin's campus?  It certainly seems like Hope has had tremendous success there

I think they said on the coverage this made a 6-3 Hope advantage at VanNoord, definitely a different story from how things were at Knollcrest.

Someone's math if fuzzy.

2009  Calvin 63  Hope 62
          Hope 69  Calvin 59  MIAA Championship game
2010  Hope 79  Calvin 76  Hall of Fame  Consolation
          Calvin 84  Hope 75
          Hope 78  Calvin 74  MIAA Championship game
2011  Hope 76  Calvin 70
2012  Hope 83  Calvin 70
2013  Calvin 75  Hope 49
          Calvin 77  Hope 57  MIAA Championship game
2014  Hope 71  Calvin 63

I come up with 6-4 against Calvin

All together I think Hope's played 19 games in Van Noord with an overall record of 12-7.   6-3 with wins against  Cornerstone, Wheaton, Carthage(2), Albion, Adrian.   Losses to Aquinas, Cornerstone and Wheaton.

Before the humbling results of last winter, Hope had a stretch of winning 7 of 8 at Van Noord.

[northb]

I'm sure someone knows this answer with no research needed...since Calvin opened their beautiful new arena (I do really like it), what is the record of the Rivalry on Calvin's campus?  It certainly seems like Hope has had tremendous success there

I think they said on the coverage this made a 6-3 Hope advantage at VanNoord, definitely a different story from how things were at Knollcrest.

Someone's math if fuzzy.

2009  Calvin 63  Hope 62
          Hope 69  Calvin 59  MIAA Championship game
2010  Hope 79  Calvin 76  Hall of Fame  Consolation
          Calvin 84  Hope 75
          Hope 78  Calvin 74  MIAA Championship game
2011  Hope 76  Calvin 70
2012  Hope 83  Calvin 70
2013  Calvin 75  Hope 49
          Calvin 77  Hope 57  MIAA Championship game
2014  Hope 71  Calvin 63

I come up with 6-4 against Calvin

All together I think Hope's played 19 games in Van Noord with an overall record of 12-7.   6-3 with wins against  Cornerstone, Wheaton, Carthage(2), Albion, Adrian.   Losses to Aquinas, Cornerstone and Wheaton.

Before the humbling results of last winter, Hope had a stretch of winning 7 of 8 at Van Noord.

Good for you Sac to go ahead and do the research rather than accept what you heard/read.  You must watch Jimmy Kimmel.

[pointlem]

Kudos to Alex Eidson, who had a day to long savor.  6 of 7 three's more than offset 1 out of 10 from inside the arc (where he normally excels). 

But if I were Calvin I'd feel hopeful about future Hope-Calvin match-ups this season.  Most of us, I suspect, are more aware of our own team's near-misses and rimmed-out shots.  But yesterday, though I'm a Hope fan, time and time again those seemed to go against Calvin.  Hope hit 60% of its 3's (a feat unlikely to be repeated) and yet scored but 71 points, while lady luck likely won't be so unkind to Calvin next time around. I foresee more close, exciting games.

[sac]

I'm sure someone knows this answer with no research needed...since Calvin opened their beautiful new arena (I do really like it), what is the record of the Rivalry on Calvin's campus?  It certainly seems like Hope has had tremendous success there

I think they said on the coverage this made a 6-3 Hope advantage at VanNoord, definitely a different story from how things were at Knollcrest.

Someone's math if fuzzy.

2009  Calvin 63  Hope 62
          Hope 69  Calvin 59  MIAA Championship game
2010  Hope 79  Calvin 76  Hall of Fame  Consolation
          Calvin 84  Hope 75
          Hope 78  Calvin 74  MIAA Championship game
2011  Hope 76  Calvin 70
2012  Hope 83  Calvin 70
2013  Calvin 75  Hope 49
          Calvin 77  Hope 57  MIAA Championship game
2014  Hope 71  Calvin 63

I come up with 6-4 against Calvin

All together I think Hope's played 19 games in Van Noord with an overall record of 12-7.   6-3 with wins against  Cornerstone, Wheaton, Carthage(2), Albion, Adrian.   Losses to Aquinas, Cornerstone and Wheaton.

Before the humbling results of last winter, Hope had a stretch of winning 7 of 8 at Van Noord.

Good for you Sac to go ahead and do the research rather than accept what you heard/read.  You must watch Jimmy Kimmel.

I don't watch Kimmel.  I actually don't watch much TV unless its sports or terrible gold miners.   

I was actually looking up Hope's total record at Van Noord because I'm naturally curious of those things and it came up at dinner (or maybe I imagined that).  I discovered the 6-3 graphic displayed during the game was indeed erroneous.

Kudos to Alex Eidson, who had a day to long savor.  6 of 7 three's more than offset 1 out of 10 from inside the arc (where he normally excels). 

But if I were Calvin I'd feel hopeful about future Hope-Calvin match-ups this season.  Most of us, I suspect, are more aware of our own team's near-misses and rimmed-out shots.  But yesterday, though I'm a Hope fan, time and time again those seemed to go against Calvin.  Hope hit 60% of its 3's (a feat unlikely to be repeated) and yet scored but 71 points, while lady luck likely won't be so unkind to Calvin next time around. I foresee more close, exciting games.

A second view of the game and I agree with all of this.  Calvin actually played a really good defensive game, except at the 3-point line and on VanArendonk(sort of, NVA was actually really good in this game).   Hope was just 8-35 from the field outside of those two things. 

I'll also add Hope challenged nearly every Calvin shot, there were very few wide-open looks that Calvin simply missed because it was a bad day, even the close ones.  On the whole, that was a very well played defensive game for both teams I thought.

[goodknight]

Anyone want to look up Calvin's record vs. Hope in the post-Douma era?
I know I don't.

[sac]

Anyone want to look up Calvin's record vs. Hope in the post-Douma era?
I know I don't.

23-32

Consider it started out 0-5 because Hope was really good in 97 and 98

[wiz]

Consider it started out 0-5 because Hope was really good in 97 and 98

Hope had Holstege but the Calvin guys had better tattoos.  I think Iwema had a Christmas tree on his arm.

[HopeConvert]

Was at the game yesterday and just now got done watching the recording on TV. This game was an example of why I don't sports bet, as well as a general referendum on my prognosticating skills. Obviously Eidson came up big for Hope, but I agree with Sac that in many ways VanArendonk was the key. He had a really fine game, I thought.

When I watched the replay I was counting how many bunnies Calvin missed. Some of them they got the rebound and got free throws off of it, so it's kind of a wash. Some of them were shot with some pretty tight defense. Still, by my count, Calvin missed five they absolutely should have made.

I was also struck, watching the replay, how much of Calvin's offense, when in its half-court set, is run above the free throw line. Indeed, it's really quite remarkable how far away the players are from the basket, particularly Kruis. Given Calvin's height advantage, you would think they'd bring their bigs down lower.

I'd be interested to see a shot chart for Hope on the game. As pointlem mentioned, Hope shot well from three, but the guards did not shoot well in the lane. In fact, it was quite disastrous in there, with Gardner and Eidson putting up shots they had no chance of getting off (Gardner 2 for 10 and Eidson 1 for 10 on non-3-pointers; 3 for 20 won't get it done normally). The boxscore says 13 blocks, but it sure seemed like a lot more than that. Calvin may have missed some bunnies, but they won the turnover battle and had 13 blocks to Hope's 2. That's quite a difference.

Part of the turnover problem was some really bad passing by Hope, particularly bounce passes, which were often put in spots the intended recipient couldn't possibly manage. Hope also better tune up its free throw shooting prior to the next game. The game percentage isn't bad, but Gardner was quite shaky down the stretch.

I've been biting my tongue on this all year, but yesterday it was even more clear: Grant Neil is simply playing too many minutes for this team. Hope is playing 4 on 5 on the offensive end when he's in the game. Hope significantly expanded its lead when he was out with foul trouble.

Great win for the Dutchmen. As others have said, they were the aggressors all game, and played solid defense. I like what Stuive brings to the floor. Would have liked to have seen Blackledge get some time. Was surprised Denham and Otto got no game time.

Good start to conference play for the Dutchmen. I think they are really improving defensively, and if they can start hitting 3's consistently they'll be dangerous.

[AlwaysHope]

Not mentioned, but in looking at the box score the two Hope starting guards (Eidson and Gardner) had 12 assists vs. only four turnovers.  But it seemed like Hope had a lot of bad passes in the paint.  By contrast, the entire Calvin team officially had only 8 assists. 

I really enjoyed watching Cody Stieve play.  He is extremely quick and an excellent ballhandler for a 6'7" freshman.  With him, fellow freshman Harrison Blackledge, along with sophomores Benson and the two starting guards, the future looks bright!

[Knight2Day]

What's Calvin's record vs Hope for the last 25 times we've played them?

[AndersDY]

I'm sure someone knows this answer with no research needed...since Calvin opened their beautiful new arena (I do really like it), what is the record of the Rivalry on Calvin's campus?  It certainly seems like Hope has had tremendous success there

I think they said on the coverage this made a 6-3 Hope advantage at VanNoord, definitely a different story from how things were at Knollcrest.

Someone's math if fuzzy.

2009  Calvin 63  Hope 62
          Hope 69  Calvin 59  MIAA Championship game
2010  Hope 79  Calvin 76  Hall of Fame  Consolation
          Calvin 84  Hope 75
          Hope 78  Calvin 74  MIAA Championship game
2011  Hope 76  Calvin 70
2012  Hope 83  Calvin 70
2013  Calvin 75  Hope 49
          Calvin 77  Hope 57  MIAA Championship game
2014  Hope 71  Calvin 63

I come up with 6-4 against Calvin

All together I think Hope's played 19 games in Van Noord with an overall record of 12-7.   6-3 with wins against  Cornerstone, Wheaton, Carthage(2), Albion, Adrian.   Losses to Aquinas, Cornerstone and Wheaton.

Before the humbling results of last winter, Hope had a stretch of winning 7 of 8 at Van Noord.

Good for you Sac to go ahead and do the research rather than accept what you heard/read.  You must watch Jimmy Kimmel.

I don't watch Kimmel.  I actually don't watch much TV unless its sports or terrible gold miners.   

I was actually looking up Hope's total record at Van Noord because I'm naturally curious of those things and it came up at dinner (or maybe I imagined that).  I discovered the 6-3 graphic displayed during the game was indeed erroneous.

At least I must have heard the numbers they gave correctly so I got that part right. I was going off memory and did not fact check, though it did seem accurate from recent memory that we have a winning record there.

Of course, I recall during the broadcast they were giving the incorrect team the lead and had some fuzzy math regarding recent scoring runs so I'm not shocked their stats were not air-tight.

[HollandKnight]

I have to say Eidsen and Carlson rocked the inside out pants look. 

[Happy Calvin Guy]

A couple of keys that I observed that haven't been mentioned....while Ben Gardner definitely had some questionable passes that led to turnovers, I think he was absolutely a beast on the defensive end, flustering Calvin's duo of young point guards.  I worried about this heading into the game and it was worse than I thought.  Also notable was Neil's willingness to leave Gardner on the bench for an extended period of time in the second half as Hope pushed their lead well into double digits.  He had a combo that was working (I think it may have included Carlson and McMahon) and he stuck with it.  Conversely, Calvin had a time when Brink had started to heat up, but then was pulled to the bench, even though there was a media timeout in there and he could have been well rested to come back in.  Other "coaching" issues:  when Calvin was down 16 with about 7 or 8 min to go, there needed to be much more urgency on offense.  Yes, there are still 8 minutes left, but it was crucial at that point to try to score early in the shot clock and turn up the pressure on defense.  As it turned out, Calvin did pull back within 6 but simply ran out of time.  How much would 3 or 4 additional possessions have helped?  Also, when Calvin needed to go into "foul mode", they only had 5 team fouls, not even in the bonus.  Why not use those free fouls to actually try aggressively for a steal, rather than simply give a token reach in to stop the clock?  Poor game management.   All in all, this was one of the most frustrating rivalry games I've ever seen. But, when you consider that Hope shot 60% from beyond the arc, Calvin missed a ton of bunnies near the hoop, and the margin was only 8 points, that still gives me optimism for next time.

[almcguirejr]

Calvin had the biggest home crowd of the year Saturday, and didn't take the opportunity to honor the Women's Volleyball team.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

Calvin had the biggest home crowd of the year Saturday, and didn't take the opportunity to honor the Women's Volleyball team.

What do you mean?  I think at least one member of the National Championship Knights got to participate in the musical chairs competition.