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Regarding Massey data, I have noticed that their predicted scores this season have been amazingly accurate. Many times, Massey will have at least one of the point totals correct. Don't know how they do it, but their input data has to be super refined.

I think the only data used as inputs into the system are final scores and home/road location.

Also the date.

[arena]

It's pretty clear who is playing better ball of late. 

I don't think it wise to think IWU isn't playing good ball.

You see this fallacy in logic all the time.  You take a relative statement "better ball" and turn it into an absolute statement "isn't playing good ball."  HCG's statement made zero implication whether IWU is playing good or bad, simply that recent results point that, whatever level IWU is playing at, it isn't at as high a level as Calvin. :-)

Honestly, I don't think there is enough information from just scoring differential to make a conclusion if a team is playing better ball than another.  There are too many variables involved.

[iwumichigander]

It's pretty clear who is playing better ball of late. 

I don't think it wise to think IWU isn't playing good ball.

You see this fallacy in logic all the time.  You take a relative statement "better ball" and turn it into an absolute statement "isn't playing good ball."  HCG's statement made zero implication whether IWU is playing good or bad, simply that recent results point that, whatever level IWU is playing at, it isn't at as high a level as Calvin. :-)

Honestly, I don't think there is enough information from just scoring differential to make a conclusion if a team is playing better ball than another.  There are too many variables involved.

HCG -  scottiedawg and USee have valid points; for example, you used scoring differential over the last three games:
Calvin's last 3 games, all on the road:  #24 Hope, #23 Wittenberg, and #2 Wash U; Calvin outscored oppenents by 48.
IWU's last 3 games, all at home:  (unranked) Wheaton, (unranked) Webster, #5 St. Norbert; IWU was outscored by 4.

Wheaton is not ranked in D3Hoops Top 25; but, Wheaton, in Week 3 NCAA Midwest Region Rankings, was #3  behind #1 WashU and #2 IWU

For example, if you had used bench scoring differential to draw a contrast -
Calvin's last 3 games, all on the road:  #24 Hope, #23 Wittenberg, and #2 Wash U; Calvin bench outscored opponents bench 58-57 or by 1
IWU's last 3 games, all at home:  (unranked) Wheaton, (unranked) Webster, #5 St. Norbert; IWU bench outscored opponents bench 82-32 or by 50

What would your conclusion have been?

[Roundball999]

It's pretty clear who is playing better ball of late. 

I don't think it wise to think IWU isn't playing good ball.

You see this fallacy in logic all the time.  You take a relative statement "better ball" and turn it into an absolute statement "isn't playing good ball."  HCG's statement made zero implication whether IWU is playing good or bad, simply that recent results point that, whatever level IWU is playing at, it isn't at as high a level as Calvin. :-)

Honestly, I don't think there is enough information from just scoring differential to make a conclusion if a team is playing better ball than another.  There are too many variables involved.

HCG -  scottiedawg and USee have valid points; for example, you used scoring differential over the last three games:
Calvin's last 3 games, all on the road:  #24 Hope, #23 Wittenberg, and #2 Wash U; Calvin outscored oppenents by 48.
IWU's last 3 games, all at home:  (unranked) Wheaton, (unranked) Webster, #5 St. Norbert; IWU was outscored by 4.

Wheaton is not ranked in D3Hoops Top 25; but, Wheaton, in Week 3 NCAA Midwest Region Rankings, was #3  behind #1 WashU and #2 IWU

For example, if you had used bench scoring differential to draw a contrast -
Calvin's last 3 games, all on the road:  #24 Hope, #23 Wittenberg, and #2 Wash U; Calvin bench outscored opponents bench 58-57 or by 1
IWU's last 3 games, all at home:  (unranked) Wheaton, (unranked) Webster, #5 St. Norbert; IWU bench outscored opponents bench 82-32 or by 50

What would your conclusion have been?

Ummmm.... that Calvin's starters were WAY better vs. their opponents than IWU's starters were vs. their opponents???

   

[bballfan13]

It's pretty clear who is playing better ball of late. 

I don't think it wise to think IWU isn't playing good ball.

You see this fallacy in logic all the time.  You take a relative statement "better ball" and turn it into an absolute statement "isn't playing good ball."  HCG's statement made zero implication whether IWU is playing good or bad, simply that recent results point that, whatever level IWU is playing at, it isn't at as high a level as Calvin. :-)

Honestly, I don't think there is enough information from just scoring differential to make a conclusion if a team is playing better ball than another.  There are too many variables involved.

HCG -  scottiedawg and USee have valid points; for example, you used scoring differential over the last three games:
Calvin's last 3 games, all on the road:  #24 Hope, #23 Wittenberg, and #2 Wash U; Calvin outscored oppenents by 48.
IWU's last 3 games, all at home:  (unranked) Wheaton, (unranked) Webster, #5 St. Norbert; IWU was outscored by 4.

Wheaton is not ranked in D3Hoops Top 25; but, Wheaton, in Week 3 NCAA Midwest Region Rankings, was #3  behind #1 WashU and #2 IWU

For example, if you had used bench scoring differential to draw a contrast -
Calvin's last 3 games, all on the road:  #24 Hope, #23 Wittenberg, and #2 Wash U; Calvin bench outscored opponents bench 58-57 or by 1
IWU's last 3 games, all at home:  (unranked) Wheaton, (unranked) Webster, #5 St. Norbert; IWU bench outscored opponents bench 82-32 or by 50

What would your conclusion have been?

Ummmm.... that Calvin's starters were WAY better vs. their opponents than IWU's starters were vs. their opponents???

   

Or that IWU should start their bench players 

[sac]

or Wheaton, Webster and St. Norbert should get a bench

[calvinite]

The UM-Kansas game from last year's NCAA tournament is on BTN at the moment. I think this is great because when I watched it last year we were in a motel on the way from Florida, and we had this old TV that wasn't a wide screen so we could not see the far right and left edges. Every time Trey Burke shot a 3, we'd see the ball go through the hoop, but we would not see who shot it. Or, we'd see Trey Burke shoot a 3, but we wouldn't see if it was good or not. As many of you might recall, there were a couple shots at the end of the game that were heart-stopping. For most of the rest of the world, their hearts only stopped for a split second, but in our case it some times took quite a bit longer to figure out exactly what happened. Never the less, it was a fantastic game.

Last year, UM was ranked behind Kansas, but they were able to pull the upset with some great guard play (including Spike Albrect off the bench) as well as some very inspirational play by their center. Here's to the Knights doing the same sort of thing against a very, very tough IWU team.

[iwumichigander]

Here is the IWU NCAA Tournament link below:
http://www.iwusports.com/sports/2014/3/9/MBB_0309140652.aspx?id=284

Among other items the page includes the links for Live Stats, Live Video, Directions to Shirk Center, Ticket Information (contact Calvin for their advance ticket sales info) and game times (CST). 

The Live Audio Link is for IWU games only which are broadcast by WBJC Radio over its Stretch Internet Portal.  WJBC is a commercial radio station which also broadcasts games for Illinois State University and the Bloomington Thunder Ice Hockey team.  The broadcasters are pretty good.

Students at IWU, Wheaton and Dickinson are all on Spring Break until March 17th.  Illinois State Basketball Sectional games will be held at Illinois State University (just about one mile from IWU) so rooms may be at a premium this weekend in Bloomington-Normal.

[arena]

Here is the IWU NCAA Tournament link below:
http://www.iwusports.com/sports/2014/3/9/MBB_0309140652.aspx?id=284

Among other items the page includes the links for Live Stats, Live Video, Directions to Shirk Center, Ticket Information (contact Calvin for their advance ticket sales info) and game times (CST). 

The Live Audio Link is for IWU games only which are broadcast by WBJC Radio over its Stretch Internet Portal.  WJBC is a commercial radio station which also broadcasts games for Illinois State University and the Bloomington Thunder Ice Hockey team.  The broadcasters are pretty good.

Students at IWU, Wheaton and Dickinson are all on Spring Break until March 17th.  Illinois State Basketball Sectional games will be held at Illinois State University (just about one mile from IWU) so rooms may be at a premium this weekend in Bloomington-Normal.

Video feed?

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Here is the IWU NCAA Tournament link below:
http://www.iwusports.com/sports/2014/3/9/MBB_0309140652.aspx?id=284

Among other items the page includes the links for Live Stats, Live Video, Directions to Shirk Center, Ticket Information (contact Calvin for their advance ticket sales info) and game times (CST). 

The Live Audio Link is for IWU games only which are broadcast by WBJC Radio over its Stretch Internet Portal.  WJBC is a commercial radio station which also broadcasts games for Illinois State University and the Bloomington Thunder Ice Hockey team.  The broadcasters are pretty good.

Students at IWU, Wheaton and Dickinson are all on Spring Break until March 17th.  Illinois State Basketball Sectional games will be held at Illinois State University (just about one mile from IWU) so rooms may be at a premium this weekend in Bloomington-Normal.

Video feed?

It's right there on the link iwumichigander provided

[iwumichigander]

Below should the direct hyper-link to the Illinois Wesleyan Portal on Stretch Internet:

http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/iwu.portal#

[iwumichigander]

Below is a look at the matchup by TitanQ

A look at IWU vs the Calvin Knights.  The Titans will have their hands full Friday against a very big and talented Calvin team that is playing its best basketball of the season.

Rotations:

Illinois Wesleyan (25-4, 12-2 CCIW)
G - Dylan Overstreet, 6-3/180 Jr (10.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 4.3 apg)
G - Pat Sodemann, 6-3/195 Jr (9.7 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.5 apg)
F - Andrew Ziemnik, 6-5/220 Sr (12.5 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 2.0 apg)
F - Victor Davis, 6-5/235 Sr (11.4 ppg, 6.4 rpg)
C - Mike Marietti, 6-8/245 So (4.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg)

G - Jordan Nelson, 6-1/170 Jr (11.3 ppg)
F - Mike Mayberger, 6-6/205 Sr (7.7 ppg, 3.1 rpg)
G - Bryce Dolan, 6-0/160 So (5.2 ppg)
F - Eric Dortch, 6-4/210 Sr (4.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg)
G - Brady Zimmer, 6-4/180 Sr (3.8 ppg)

Calvin (24-5, 12-2 MIAA)
G - Jordan Brink, 6-3/185 Jr (15.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 3.1 apg)
G - Jordan Daley, 6-3/185 So (8.9 ppg, 3.5 ppg, 2.0 apg)
F - Tyler Dykstra, 6-8/200 Jr (7.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg)
F - Mickey Devries, 6-7/235 Sr (9.2 ppg, 6.3 rpg)
C - Tyler Kruis, 6-9/235 Sr (15.6 ppg, 5.6 rpg)

G - Austin Parks, 6-0/185 So (6.6 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 3.4 apg)
F - B.J. Van Loo, 6-6/205 So (4.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg)
G - Brad Visser, 6-3/170 Fr (4.2 ppg)
C - Daniel Stout, 6-9/230 Jr (2.7 ppg, 3.3 rpg)
G - T.J. Huizenga, 6-4/205 Jr (1.9 ppg)


Team Stats:

PPG: IWU 83.0; Calvin 78.0

Opp PG: Calvin 64.0; IWU 68.3

FG: IWU .502; Calvin .491

Opp FG: Calvin .399, IWU .415

3-point FG: IWU .420; Calvin .384

Opp 3-point FG: IWU .318; Calvin: .348

FT: Calvin .731; IWU .710

Reb Margin: Calvin +7.6, IWU +4.9

A/TO: Calvin 1.6; IWU 1.4


Rankings:

Massey: IWU #4, Calvin #17

D3hoops.com: IWU #6, Calvin #24


Strength of Schedule:

Massey SOS: IWU #6, Calvin #112

Massey conference: CCIW #1, MIAA #20


Common Opponents:

Calvin 78 Manchester 50 (at Manchester)
IWU 89 Manchester 60 (at IWU)

Carthage 74 Calvin 68 (at Calvin)
Carthage 80 IWU 73 (at Carthage)
IWU 80 Carthage 66 (at IWU)
IWU 76 Carthage 71 (at IWU)

Calvin 78 Wheaton 51 (at Calvin)
IWU 78 Wheaton 71 (at IWU)
IWU 97 Wheaton 88 (at Wheaton)
Wheaton 87 IWU 66 (at IWU)

Hope 71 Calvin 63 (at Calvin)
Hope 83 Calvin 65 (at Hope)
Calvin 78 Hope 53 (at Hope)
IWU 91 Hope 83 (at Hope)

Calvin 83 Wash U 75 (at Wash U)
IWU 98 Wash U 73 (at IWU)


Hardware:

Calvin: 1992 & 2000 NCAA Division III national champions

IWU: 1997 NCAA Division III national champions

[Pat Coleman]

Below should the direct hyper-link to the Illinois Wesleyan Portal on Stretch Internet:

http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/iwu.portal#

Also on this cool website called D3hoops.com ...

[calvinite]

Below is a look at the matchup by TitanQ

Looking at the matchup statistics by TitanQ, two things jump out at me:
1) Really how similar these two teams are.... Except
2) How much better IWU is at three point shooting.

Old Knight, or someone, mentioned this in an earlier post. Looking at these statistics, I'm hoping for some combination of great defense by Calvin against IWU's 3-point shooting and IWU having on off night from behind the arc.

Knights.

[iwumichigander]

Below is a look at the matchup by TitanQ

Looking at the matchup statistics by TitanQ, two things jump out at me:
1) Really how similar these two teams are.... Except
2) How much better IWU is at three point shooting.

Old Knight, or someone, mentioned this in an earlier post. Looking at these statistics, I'm hoping for some combination of great defense by Calvin against IWU's 3-point shooting and IWU having on off night from behind the arc.

Knights.

Post #39342 has Old Knight's comments as well as additional info by TitanQ