MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[HOPEful]

Mickey DeVries played with the kind of emotion and passion that stoic-face Dutch people need more of.

Yes, but his surname indicates Frisian ancestry somewhere in his past, so perhaps that explains the emotion-and-passion part.

Unfortunately, Caleb Byers' technical foul when Hope had a two-point lead in the second half against Penn State Behrend was far from stoic.

I do find it strange how a team looks lethargic for the majority of the season, but puts together a string of 3 nice wins and suddenly we're praising their prowess...

In the spirit of thinking ahead to next season, what tandem is the bigger loss? Kruis/DeVries or NVA/Byers?

I guess I will step up to the plate.....

Who will be the bigger loss?? Here are the blindfolded stats, I will let you draw your own conclusion

Tandem 1: 24.8ppg 11.9rpg 1.8bpg 59 starts
Tandem 2: 16.3ppg 10.2rpg 2.4bpg 32 starts

I won't even touch on your comment about Calvin's "prowess" since your objective opinion was most likely formed seeing them play 3 games.

Yes, your stats are nice. My question wasn't which tandem is better. It was more along the lines of which team will struggle more to overcome the void left by those players. Calvin seems to have some big guys that will should be able to set up inside and the offensive will obviously run through Brink and Parks. Not downplaying the loss of Kruis, just saying that Brink, Parks, Daley, Dykstra, etc. seem to be better equipped to handle the loss than Hope is equipped to handle the loss of NVA.

[13xchamp]

Mickey DeVries played with the kind of emotion and passion that stoic-face Dutch people need more of.

Yes, but his surname indicates Frisian ancestry somewhere in his past, so perhaps that explains the emotion-and-passion part.

Unfortunately, Caleb Byers' technical foul when Hope had a two-point lead in the second half against Penn State Behrend was far from stoic.

I do find it strange how a team looks lethargic for the majority of the season, but puts together a string of 3 nice wins and suddenly we're praising their prowess...

In the spirit of thinking ahead to next season, what tandem is the bigger loss? Kruis/DeVries or NVA/Byers?

I guess I will step up to the plate.....

Who will be the bigger loss?? Here are the blindfolded stats, I will let you draw your own conclusion

Tandem 1: 24.8ppg 11.9rpg 1.8bpg 59 starts
Tandem 2: 16.3ppg 10.2rpg 2.4bpg 32 starts

I won't even touch on your comment about Calvin's "prowess" since your objective opinion was most likely formed seeing them play 3 games.

Yes, your stats are nice. My question wasn't which tandem is better. It was more along the lines of which team will struggle more to overcome the void left by those players. Calvin seems to have some big guys that will should be able to set up inside and the offensive will obviously run through Brink and Parks. Not downplaying the loss of Kruis, just saying that Brink, Parks, Daley, Dykstra, etc. seem to be better equipped to handle the loss than Hope is equipped to handle the loss of NVA.

Your original point was the tandem, so you have to be mutually inclusive and the stats reflect that. Both teams are going to struggle to replace the production and impact of their 5's, so that is a wash. As to the 4's, you don't think Hope has someone 6'4" on their roster to put up roughly 6pts and 4 rebs per game? I do. When Calvin's "prowess" began in the post season it was due to their interior defense, Mickey and Tyler were huge in that aspect and that is where their collective loss is going to hurt as much as their offensive contributions. Of course this is an argument I would LOVE to be proven wrong as next year unfolds.

[HOPEful]

"Your original point was the tandem, so you have to be mutually inclusive and the stats reflect that. Both teams are going to struggle to replace the production and impact of their 5's, so that is a wash. As to the 4's, you don't think Hope has someone 6'4" on their roster to put up roughly 6pts and 4 rebs per game? I do. When Calvin's "prowess" began in the post season it was due to their interior defense, Mickey and Tyler were huge in that aspect and that is where their collective loss is going to hurt as much as their offensive contributions. Of course this is an argument I would LOVE to be proven wrong as next year unfolds."

Point taken. I think I'm just stuggling to see how a Hope team without NVA functions defensively and the loss of Byers leaves me placing all hope in Brock Benson...

Calvin obviously is cycling similar ponderings about functioning without Kruis and Mickie, needing to place their hope in Stout and Van loo...

Here's to hoping Hope can find another 6'10" D1 transfer this off-season!

[sac]

Here's to hoping Hope can find another 6'10" D1 transfer this off-season!

Finding this, easier.

[calvinite]

Tandem 1: 24.8ppg 11.9rpg 1.8bpg 59 starts
Tandem 2: 16.3ppg 10.2rpg 2.4bpg 32 starts

Ya, but who had more dunks?

[sac]

tandem 1:  10.38 minutes per foul
tandem 2:   7.21 minutes per foul

[bballfan13]

Calvin has a new athletics page:

Calvinknights.com

[Happy Calvin Guy]

Calvin has a new athletics page:

Calvinknights.com

Seems like a lot of the archived stuff is gone--record book, past seasons' results/stats, etc.  Hopefully back someday in an improved form?

[jfebus]

The archives and records will be added. It's just going to take some time to move some of the furniture and household items from the old house into the new house.

[jfebus]

Trine also unveiled its new Presto site today too at: www.trinethunder.com.

[sac]

March shenanigans

http://deadspin.com/uva-fan-bluffs-his-way-through-the-perfect-acc-title-ga-1547386713

[calvinite]

While I'm not always happy with Hope College victories, I sure do appreciate the posts on this board by many Hope supports. As Pointlem posted the other day, thanks to all who contribute positively, insightfully, and enthusiastically to D3 Boards. I'm sorry the division III season always seems to end so soon (the division I national tournament starts (generally -- I know last year was an exception) about the time the division III tournament ends, and hs boys basketball is still going on), I'll also miss reading the posts here. Blessings.

[HOPEful]

While I'm not always happy with Hope College victories, I sure do appreciate the posts on this board by many Hope supports. As Pointlem posted the other day, thanks to all who contribute positively, insightfully, and enthusiastically to D3 Boards. I'm sorry the division III season always seems to end so soon (the division I national tournament starts (generally -- I know last year was an exception) about the time the division III tournament ends, and hs boys basketball is still going on), I'll also miss reading the posts here. Blessings.

Ah, the conflicted feelings of rooting for/against your bitter rival come tournament time. During the season, I occasionally find myself streaming Calvin games and rooting for the "other team"... However, come the NCAA tournament, I am conflicted. Every Calvin win is good for the MIAA, and if I am truly honest with myself, them beating Washington in St. Louis made me happy (and after saying that, I feel like I need to take a shower)...

Still, the thought of sending my children to Holland Christian and cheering for the "Maroons" gives me the heebie jeebies... Guess we'll deal with that one when the time comes

[calvin_grad]

While I'm not always happy with Hope College victories, I sure do appreciate the posts on this board by many Hope supports. As Pointlem posted the other day, thanks to all who contribute positively, insightfully, and enthusiastically to D3 Boards. I'm sorry the division III season always seems to end so soon (the division I national tournament starts (generally -- I know last year was an exception) about the time the division III tournament ends, and hs boys basketball is still going on), I'll also miss reading the posts here. Blessings.

Ah, the conflicted feelings of rooting for/against your bitter rival come tournament time. During the season, I occasionally find myself streaming Calvin games and rooting for the "other team"... However, come the NCAA tournament, I am conflicted. Every Calvin win is good for the MIAA, and if I am truly honest with myself, them beating Washington in St. Louis made me happy (and after saying that, I feel like I need to take a shower)...

Still, the thought of sending my children to Holland Christian and cheering for the "Maroons" gives me the heebie jeebies... Guess we'll deal with that one when the time comes

Not necessarily you, setheater, but can someone please explain that statement that I put in bold in your post.  I hear that all the time.  Explain to me how Calvin beating Washington is good for the MIAA.  How did Alma get any benefit out of that win, for example?  Recruits going to start pouring in?

I hear it all the time with Division I as well.  I'm a UM fan and get all kinds of grief from my State fans as to why I don't root for them in the NCAA tournament.  "Every time State wins, it's good for the Big 10" is what I always hear.  I always respond by asking how it benefits Iowa if Michigan State goes to the Final Four.  I can see how it might benefit State directly, but not other schools.  If I am a recruit, I'm looking at academics, facilities, playing time, coaching staff, and history of putting players in the NBA at that school, not whether or not their rival made the Sweet 16 the last couple of years or how the conference might be perceived nationally.

[KnightSlappy]

While I'm not always happy with Hope College victories, I sure do appreciate the posts on this board by many Hope supports. As Pointlem posted the other day, thanks to all who contribute positively, insightfully, and enthusiastically to D3 Boards. I'm sorry the division III season always seems to end so soon (the division I national tournament starts (generally -- I know last year was an exception) about the time the division III tournament ends, and hs boys basketball is still going on), I'll also miss reading the posts here. Blessings.

Ah, the conflicted feelings of rooting for/against your bitter rival come tournament time. During the season, I occasionally find myself streaming Calvin games and rooting for the "other team"... However, come the NCAA tournament, I am conflicted. Every Calvin win is good for the MIAA, and if I am truly honest with myself, them beating Washington in St. Louis made me happy (and after saying that, I feel like I need to take a shower)...

Still, the thought of sending my children to Holland Christian and cheering for the "Maroons" gives me the heebie jeebies... Guess we'll deal with that one when the time comes

Not necessarily you, setheater, but can someone please explain that statement that I put in bold in your post.  I hear that all the time.  Explain to me how Calvin beating Washington is good for the MIAA.  How did Alma get any benefit out of that win, for example?  Recruits going to start pouring in?

I hear it all the time with Division I as well.  I'm a UM fan and get all kinds of grief from my State fans as to why I don't root for them in the NCAA tournament.  "Every time State wins, it's good for the Big 10" is what I always hear.  I always respond by asking how it benefits Iowa if Michigan State goes to the Final Four.  I can see how it might benefit State directly, but not other schools.  If I am a recruit, I'm looking at academics, facilities, playing time, coaching staff, and history of putting players in the NBA at that school, not whether or not their rival made the Sweet 16 the last couple of years or how the conference might be perceived nationally.

I agree that these sorts of sentiments tend to get overblown, but when the committee chairperson starts throwing out terms like "tournament history" and "eye test" and whatnot, it could help MIAA teams get selection / seeding preference down the road. Maybe not. But maybe. It certainly doesn't hurt the MIAA in the future.