MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[gohope]

Mr. Ypsi, sac, gohope and FDF:

Good discussion on the bb attendance topic.  At the same time, as you all know, it is rather satisfying that Hope still outdraws some of the DI schools for attendance at single basketball games, including Western Michigan and Eastern Michigan (there are some other schools on occasion such as some in the Horizon League, etc.).  The latter isn't a surprise to Mr. Ypsi I'm sure!

On the other topic i.e. the bb coach selection process at Hope, including the salary issues and vs. professors, I'm staying out of that one regardless of what I know (and/or may not know ).   Nonetheless, it will be interesting to see who ends up being selected (and accepting) the position for sure.

Former3db,

Thanks for coming over to the BB site for a change!!  I had to smile when I read your post because last season, Hope hosted Calvin the same week that WMU hosted CMU and.... the D3 game had a higher attendance. I know that WMU can't be compared to the Maize-n-Blue or Sparty Green (although they try, but they are ALWAYS going to be the REALLY Little Brother to these two as well as to ND), but c'mon - THIS IS YOUR RIVALRY and you get less people in attendance than a DIII game???  Pretty embarassing!!! And pretty PROUD to be a part of the West Michigan DIII Rivalry!!!! 

[SBell]

Is the issue "paid" part time assistant or is it "full time" assistant?
I can picture some college assistants volunteering (working for free) and I don't understand why a coach would have a problem with that if the person is capable, and does what the coach wants.
It is my guess if Olivet has a "full time" assistant that this person fills other roles on the campus in addition to basketball assignments.

Yeah, full-time. No, at Olivet, he's just a basketball coach.

[SBell]

Speaking of which, there's a possibility that this season Olivet could have the most newcomers, but oldest roster, in the league.

[knightvision]

I realize this is a board for hoops fans so our perspective may be a bit skewed, but even so I'd have a problem with a D3 hoops coach being paid a salary that was completely out of line with other coaches or even professors at a given school.  In my opinion, it sends the wrong message and is not consistent with D3 values.  Leave the big-bucks coaches for D1, where so many decisions of players, coaches and administration are based on money ahead of education.

What if someone wants to endow the coaching postition?

That'd be great in my opinion.  Development office maybe has some influence but donors are generally going to choose what they want to support.  An endowment of a coaching position would mean those coaching salary dollars could be used elsewhere to support the college's mission.

So you feel it would be okay for some high roller Hope donor to set up an endowment to pay the new Hope coach any amount the donor chooses while claiming the school doing that on it's own would somehow violate or compromise the D3 philosophical guidelines?

This conversation reminded me of a situation I encountered while working in the Development Office at Calvin (a loooong time ago).  I had to tell a wonderful Calvin alum couple (both had participated in a sport at Calvin) who wanted to fund a scholarship for a junior or senior majoring in education that their scholarship description was fine... except for the part they had included at the end where they noted that their preference was that the student would ideally also participate in an intercollegiate sport.  Not a requirement, mind you, just a preference.  And not for an incoming freshman where the opportunity to be awarded a scholarship could be perceived as "recruiting" an incoming student.

The philosophy and (relative) purity of D3 athletics within higher education is celebrated, and rightfully so.  And while it is perfectly legal for a D3 school to have a donor endow a coaching position, or for that matter, every one of their coaching positions (if they were fortunate enough to have donors who had that desire), I can certainly understand the perspective that endowing coaching positions at the D3 level seems to run counter to or could be perceived as inconsistent with the "spirit" of what D3 athletics is all about.

Donors at schools of all levels frequently endow chairs of academic departments/programs because they are passionate about the particular field of study and/or their alma mater, and the impetus for these gifts is often to either attract a high caliber talent to lead/launch a program or to retain a superstar in that program who is being enticed to move to bigger and greener pastures elsewhere.  And these gifts are rightfully celebrated.  But when you insert a coaching position or particular sport in that scenario at the D3 level, it can start to sound and feel like the stories we read about "boosters" and donors at the D1 level where observers start to question the motivations of the donors and the priorities of the university.  I think both Byker and Bultman served on National D3 committess, and if endowed coaching positions became an issue, my impression of the governing body is that steps would be taken to preserve the spirit of D3 athletics.   

Moving to the Hope coaching search, after reading Steve Bell's post re: the IZZO shootout and Lansing area coaches, made me wonder if we are referring to certain Hope alum from a burg in laings?  However, like one of my favorite philosophers Sargent Schultz,  I can assure you that, if it wasn't already obvious, I know nothing....

[sac]

Summer painting at Kresge
http://www.albionpleiad.com/2014/03/historic-kresge-gym-receives-upgrades/




...that dark paint should really open up the space.

[ziggy]

Summer painting at Kresge
http://www.albionpleiad.com/2014/03/historic-kresge-gym-receives-upgrades/




...that dark paint should really open up the space.

Albion trying to keep up in the "arms race" with a fresh coat of paint.

With other schools in the conference having recently upgraded their basketball arenas, Arend thought of a cost-efficient way to make Kresge better without building a brand new facility.

Will wow recruits and spur a revitalization of the Albion basketball program, I'm sure.

[HOPEful]

Summer painting at Kresge
http://www.albionpleiad.com/2014/03/historic-kresge-gym-receives-upgrades/




...that dark paint should really open up the space.

Albion trying to keep up in the "arms race" with a fresh coat of paint.

With other schools in the conference having recently upgraded their basketball arenas, Arend thought of a cost-efficient way to make Kresge better without building a brand new facility.

Will wow recruits and spur a revitalization of the Albion basketball program, I'm sure.

All kidding aside, it does look good! And Kresge is probably my second favorite MIAA facility to watch a game at, after DeVos.

[wiz]

Summer painting at Kresge
http://www.albionpleiad.com/2014/03/historic-kresge-gym-receives-upgrades/




...that dark paint should really open up the space.

Albion trying to keep up in the "arms race" with a fresh coat of paint.

With other schools in the conference having recently upgraded their basketball arenas, Arend thought of a cost-efficient way to make Kresge better without building a brand new facility.

Will wow recruits and spur a revitalization of the Albion basketball program, I'm sure.

All kidding aside, it does look good! And Kresge is probably my second favorite MIAA facility to watch a game at, after DeVos.

My second favorite as well.

[kzoo99]

So piecing together a bit of the MIAA schedule for Hope - it looks brutal (nice welcome to the league for the new coach).  Hope will play the other 3 MIAA tournament teams (from last year) back-to-back-to-back.  And with a double round robin, they get to do it twice.  And the second time around has @ Calvin immedaitely followed by @ Albion.   

Jan 7 ----- @ Trine
Jan 10 ---- Calvin
Jan 14 ---- Albion

Jan 31 ---- Trine
Feb 4 ----- @ Calvin
Feb 7 ----- @ Albion

Pretty sure the MIAA schedule is the same as last year but with the locations reversed for everyone.  Making Hope's schedule.......

Jan 7 @ Trine
Jan 10 Calvin
Jan 14 Albion
Jan 18 @ Olivet
Jan 21  Alma
Jan 25 @ Kalamazoo
Jan 28 @ Adrian
Jan 31 Trine
Feb 4 @ Calvin
Feb 7 @ Albion
Feb 11  Olivet
Feb 14  @ Alma
Feb 18  Kalamazoo
Feb 21  Adrian

If I'm not mistaken, and I might be, the schedule I saw had Hope playing Ohio Wesleyan shortly after New Years, either the 3rd or 4th.  I might be remembering that wrong though.

2014-15 Kalamazoo MIAA Schedule

Jan 7   @Albion
Jan 10  Olivet
Jan 14  Trine
Jan 17  @Calvin
Jan 21  Adrian
Jan 24  Hope
Jan 28  @Alma
Jan 31  Albion
Feb 4   @Olivet
Feb 7   @Trine
Feb 11  Calvin
Feb 14  @Adrian
Feb 18  @Hope
Feb 21  Alma

Other games include Western Mich, Bluffton, Manchester, Earlham, Purdue Calumet, North Park (Chicago), Marygrove, Univ of Chicago, Defiance, UW-River Falls, UW-Whitewater and Elmhurst

[sac]

MIAA teams show up 3 times on UW-Whitewater's schedule

Hope, Alma, Kzoo

[kzoo99]

MIAA teams show up 3 times on UW-Whitewater's schedule

Hope, Alma, Kzoo

For Kalamazoo I'm sure the coach's connection with UW-Whitewater has a lot to do with it.

[Mr. Ypsi]

MIAA teams show up 3 times on UW-Whitewater's schedule

Hope, Alma, Kzoo

I would assume that Alma and Kzoo are both lambs to the slaughter.  Think Hope has much of a chance, or will they be down this year?

[Gregory Sager]

Other games include Western Mich, Bluffton, Manchester, Earlham, Purdue Calumet, North Park (Chicago),

As opposed to the North Park in Saginaw, or the one in Traverse City, or the one in Azerbaijan?

[HopeConvert]

MIAA teams show up 3 times on UW-Whitewater's schedule

Hope, Alma, Kzoo

I would assume that Alma and Kzoo are both lambs to the slaughter.  Think Hope has much of a chance, or will they be down this year?

Depends on whether they have a coach.

[kzoo99]

Other games include Western Mich, Bluffton, Manchester, Earlham, Purdue Calumet, North Park (Chicago),

As opposed to the North Park in Saginaw, or the one in Traverse City, or the one in Azerbaijan?

Point taken.  I apologize I made you read that extra word.  Or could it be your logo offers a hint that people have had to ask in the past?  Its not like people ever get that stuff wrong...

Nick Tatu has transferred away from Trine.  That's a loss for the Thunder.

http://burneysbytes.blogspot.com/2014/06/sweet-home-michigan.html
PS unlike what this says, Trine is in Indiana.

Or maybe you were just trying to demonstrate your longevity versus my lack of posts.  There seems to be a history for that too...

Chad Carlson is currently listed as Faculty/Staff for the Kinesiology Department for Hope College.

He just became an official college employee by getting a hope.edu e-mail address.

If you want a good example of why new posters don't hang around much, its the -3 karma in about 8 hours time.   For these two posts that's just childish.

Quite the welcoming committee.



So anyway, welcome to the board OnlyHope.

In the future I'll refer to North Park as NP so you won't have to strain your eyes or spend the time looking up how to spell Azerbaijan.