MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

The MIAA's geographic midpoint is apparently a creek off Waubascon Road just North of Battle Creek,  not far from Bedford Valley Golf Club.   That is excellent.

http://www.geomidpoint.com/

[sac]

The easiest way to avoid this would have been for the men to use the women's schedule and play men in one location, women in the other, byes on the St. Mary's dates.  The men's side of the MIAA reportedly shot that down, mostly because of having to start games in December.

Why can't this apply to just the Wednesday games, since that is the only day there seems to be an issue?

I'll use Hope as an example and set the Wednesday schedules for the women first, and build the rest of the schedules from there... A simple flip flop of the Kalamazoo and Calvin games would keep the rivalry games from happening simultaneously. Hope's schedule could look like below, with Wednesday games in bold and the men's game in parenthesis. Since Hope is scheduled to play OWU on December 3rd, both that day and the St. Mary's game could be used to finagle (create a double header, not play in December, move a rivalry to a better time,...)

Dec. ? – Adrian
Dec. ? –Kzoo
Jan. 7 – Albion (Albion)
Jan. 10 – Olivet (Olivet)
Jan. 14 – Alma (Alma)
Jan. 17 – St. Mary's (Adrian)
Jan. 21 – Calvin (Kzoo)
Jan. 24 – Trine (Trine)
Jan. 28 – Kzoo (Calvin)
Jan. 31 – Adrian (Alma)
Feb. 4 – Olivet (Olivet)
Feb. 7 – Albion (Albion)
Feb. 11 – St. Mary's (Adrian)
Feb. 14 – Alma (Calvin)
Feb. 18 – Trine (Trine)
Feb. 21 – Calvin (Kzoo)

I haven't had enough caffeine yet to deal with all the variables of a 9 team vs 8 team schedule.

Maybe I'll start a kickstarter for....
www.sacsscheduleconsulting.com

[OC_SID]

The MIAA's geographic midpoint is apparently a creek off Waubascon Road just North of Battle Creek,  not far from Bedford Valley Golf Club.   That is excellent.

http://www.geomidpoint.com/

That is probably why the final two rounds of the MIAA Women's Golf championships is played there every fall. 

[ziggy]

I haven't had enough caffeine yet to deal with all the variables of a 9 team vs 8 team schedule.

Maybe I'll start a kickstarter for....
www.sacsscheduleconsulting.com

Hey, if potato salad can raise over $70K...

[sac]

The MIAA's geographic midpoint is apparently a creek off Waubascon Road just North of Battle Creek,  not far from Bedford Valley Golf Club.   That is excellent.

http://www.geomidpoint.com/

That is probably why the final two rounds of the MIAA Women's Golf championships is played there every fall. 

That, and its an excellent course.

http://www.gulllakeview.com/golf-bedford-valley.html

[KzooHornet]

Why can't this apply to just the Wednesday games, since that is the only day there seems to be an issue?

I'll use Hope as an example and set the Wednesday schedules for the women first, and build the rest of the schedules from there... A simple flip flop of the Kalamazoo and Calvin games would keep the rivalry games from happening simultaneously. Hope's schedule could look like below, with Wednesday games in bold and the men's game in parenthesis. Since Hope is scheduled to play OWU on December 3rd, both that day and the St. Mary's game could be used to finagle (create a double header, not play in December, move a rivalry to a better time,...)

Dec. ? – Adrian
Dec. ? –Kzoo
Jan. 7 – Albion (Albion)
Jan. 10 – Olivet (Olivet)
Jan. 14 – Alma (Alma)
Jan. 17 – St. Mary's (Adrian)
Jan. 21 – Calvin (Kzoo)
Jan. 24 – Trine (Trine)
Jan. 28 – Kzoo (Calvin)
Jan. 31 – Adrian (Alma)
Feb. 4 – Olivet (Olivet)
Feb. 7 – Albion (Albion)
Feb. 11 – St. Mary's (Adrian)
Feb. 14 – Alma (Calvin)
Feb. 18 – Trine (Trine)
Feb. 21 – Calvin (Kzoo)

I applaud anyone who has the brain power to come up with a solution.  I spent way too much time trying to figure it all out and always seemed to run into one problem or another.  It comes down to what you want to prioritize as you also have other issues that pop up:  runs of either home or away games in a row, unbalancing the order of who you play, etc. 

My guess, too, is that if there were to be a solution where you could have both men and women playing the same opponent, there would be a push to play those games at one site instead of two.  Sending both the men and women together on one bus can end up saving quite a bit of money given the rising transportation costs. 

[HopeConvert]

The MIAA's geographic midpoint is apparently a creek off Waubascon Road just North of Battle Creek,  not far from Bedford Valley Golf Club.   That is excellent.

http://www.geomidpoint.com/

That is probably why the final two rounds of the MIAA Women's Golf championships is played there every fall. 

That, and its an excellent course.

http://www.gulllakeview.com/golf-bedford-valley.html

It's an interesting course, that's for sure. Unassuming, and an old school design with tight fairways, lots of doglegs, copious bunkering, and small greens. Another poster on this board liked it less than I did, but it's a pretty good track.

I like the other four Gull Lake courses better than Bedford Valley, although Gull Lake West isn't too different. My favorite course by far in that area is Yarrow, which is not too far from BV. Terrific course. Play that opening hole into the wind and good luck to you. Yarrow is probably the favorite course in WM of both this poster and the aforementioned anonymous one. Other contenders: Pilgrim's Run, Stonegate, and The Medalist, just because it's close to Dark Horse Brewery. Attention, any of you who want to golf Harbor Shores: don't. It's an abortion of imaginative design. One of the most unpleasant golf experiences you can have, except the driving range which has brand new NXTs on it.

We now return to our regular programming.

[HOPEful]

Why can't this apply to just the Wednesday games, since that is the only day there seems to be an issue?

Seemed easy in my head, at least in theory. I then spent (and wasted) too much time trying to put it on paper. Between 9 teams v. 8 teams, starting league play in different months, and only 7 Wednesdays in January and February to work with, it is a much more difficult a task than I originally thought.

[sac]

Why can't this apply to just the Wednesday games, since that is the only day there seems to be an issue?

Seemed easy in my head, at least in theory. I then spent (and wasted) too much time trying to put it on paper. Between 9 teams v. 8 teams, starting league play in different months, and only 7 Wednesdays in January and February to work with, it is a much more difficult a task than I originally thought.

The simple solution is to keep the same schedule, and move the offending Wednesday 6pm games to Tuesday or Thursday 8pm. 

Or simply alternate weeks (or years) of the midweek games being Tuesday men, Wednesday women and vice versa.


It gets much more complicated, but not impossible to cram the women's schedule into all January/February dates.  It would require using other days of the week besides Wednesday and Saturday, a novel idea several other conferences around D3 have discovered. (including at one time the MIAA )

[HOPEful]

It gets much more complicated, but not impossible to cram the women's schedule into all January/February dates.  It would require using other days of the week besides Wednesday and Saturday, a novel idea several other conferences around D3 have discovered. (including at one time the MIAA )

How did Wednesday become "THE DAY" for weekday games? In this community (West Michigan/RCA/CRC) Tuesday seems perhaps more convenient since Wednesday nights are typically big nights for church activities. Why not guys on Tuesdays, girls on Wednesdays and switch every other year? Schools can still schedule double headers (if they desire to do so) on Saturdays...

[SBell]

It gets much more complicated, but not impossible to cram the women's schedule into all January/February dates.  It would require using other days of the week besides Wednesday and Saturday, a novel idea several other conferences around D3 have discovered. (including at one time the MIAA )

How did Wednesday become "THE DAY" for weekday games? In this community (West Michigan/RCA/CRC) Tuesday seems perhaps more convenient since Wednesday nights are typically big nights for church activities. Why not guys on Tuesdays, girls on Wednesdays and switch every other year? Schools can still schedule double headers (if they desire to do so) on Saturdays...

If you want to cut in half the times your staff can scout high school players during the regular season and opportunities for recruits to attend your games, then Tuesdays would be fine.

[Stinger]

The MIAA's geographic midpoint is apparently a creek off Waubascon Road just North of Battle Creek,  not far from Bedford Valley Golf Club.   That is excellent.

http://www.geomidpoint.com/

That is probably why the final two rounds of the MIAA Women's Golf championships is played there every fall. 

That, and its an excellent course.

http://www.gulllakeview.com/golf-bedford-valley.html

It's an interesting course, that's for sure. Unassuming, and an old school design with tight fairways, lots of doglegs, copious bunkering, and small greens. Another poster on this board liked it less than I did, but it's a pretty good track.

I like the other four Gull Lake courses better than Bedford Valley, although Gull Lake West isn't too different. My favorite course by far in that area is Yarrow, which is not too far from BV. Terrific course. Play that opening hole into the wind and good luck to you. Yarrow is probably the favorite course in WM of both this poster and the aforementioned anonymous one. Other contenders: Pilgrim's Run, Stonegate, and The Medalist, just because it's close to Dark Horse Brewery. Attention, any of you who want to golf Harbor Shores: don't. It's an abortion of imaginative design. One of the most unpleasant golf experiences you can have, except the driving range which has brand new NXTs on it.

We now return to our regular programming.

Speaking of Dark Horse, tune into History Channel next Tuesday: http://www.history.com/shows/dark-horse-nation

[HopeConvert]

The MIAA's geographic midpoint is apparently a creek off Waubascon Road just North of Battle Creek,  not far from Bedford Valley Golf Club.   That is excellent.

http://www.geomidpoint.com/

That is probably why the final two rounds of the MIAA Women's Golf championships is played there every fall. 

That, and its an excellent course.

http://www.gulllakeview.com/golf-bedford-valley.html

It's an interesting course, that's for sure. Unassuming, and an old school design with tight fairways, lots of doglegs, copious bunkering, and small greens. Another poster on this board liked it less than I did, but it's a pretty good track.

I like the other four Gull Lake courses better than Bedford Valley, although Gull Lake West isn't too different. My favorite course by far in that area is Yarrow, which is not too far from BV. Terrific course. Play that opening hole into the wind and good luck to you. Yarrow is probably the favorite course in WM of both this poster and the aforementioned anonymous one. Other contenders: Pilgrim's Run, Stonegate, and The Medalist, just because it's close to Dark Horse Brewery. Attention, any of you who want to golf Harbor Shores: don't. It's an abortion of imaginative design. One of the most unpleasant golf experiences you can have, except the driving range which has brand new NXTs on it.

We now return to our regular programming.

Speaking of Dark Horse, tune into History Channel next Tuesday: http://www.history.com/shows/dark-horse-nation

Excellent. Thanks for the heads-up.

[Gregory Sager]

The MIAA's geographic midpoint is apparently a creek off Waubascon Road just North of Battle Creek,  not far from Bedford Valley Golf Club.   That is excellent.

http://www.geomidpoint.com/

That's a kewl device, sac. Thanks for passing along the link.

[HOPEful]

I haven't had enough caffeine yet to deal with all the variables of a 9 team vs 8 team schedule.

Maybe I'll start a kickstarter for....
www.sacsscheduleconsulting.com

I've always wanted to be a consultant... Wouldn't this work? No guys and girls team in the same gym on a Wednesday and mostly evened out amount of Saturday home games...

December Games               
St. Mary's   @Adrian         
Albion@Olivet         
Alma@Kzoo         
Hope@Calvin         
Trine (BYE)               
               
Hope@Alma         
Kzoo@Albion         
Adrian@Olivet         
St. Mary's@Trine         
Calvin (BYE)               
               
Trine   @Albion         
St. Mary's@Alma         
Calvin@Olivet         
Kzoo@Hope         
Adrian (BYE)               

January                           
Kzoo@Calvin         
Olivet@Alma         
St. Mary's@Albion         
Trine   @Adrian         
Hope (BYE)               
               
Adrian@Alma                 Alma@Adrian
Calvin@Trine                 Trine@Calvin
Hope@St. Mary's         Kzoo@Hope
Olivet@Kzoo                Olivet@Albion
Albion (BYE)               
               
Hope@Olivet                Alma@Kzoo
Calvin@St. Mary's        Calvin@Olivet
Alma@Trine                Hope@Albion
Adrian@Albion                Adrian@Trine
Kzoo (BYE)               
               
Calvin@Albion                Albion@Calvin
Adrian@Hope                Hope@Adrian
Trine   @Kzoo                Kzoo@   Trine
Olivet@St. Mary's          Alma@Olivet
Alma (BYE)               
               
St. Mary's   @Kzoo          Olivet@Hope
Hope@Trine                    Kzoo@Calvin
Calvin@Adrian                  Trine@Alma
Albion@Alma                  Albion@Adrian
Olivet (BYE)               
               
Olivet@Trine                  Trine@Olivet
Kzoo   @Adrian                  Adrian@Kzoo
Hope@Albion                  Calvin@Hope
Alma   @Calvin                  Albion@Alma
St. Mary's (BYE)               
               
Adrian@St. Mary's           Kzoo   @Olivet
Olivet@Albion                   Alma   @Hope
Kzoo   @Alma                 Adrian@Calvin
Calvin@Hope                   Trine   @Albion
Trine (BYE)               
               
Alma   @Hope                    Hope@Trine
Albion@Kzoo                   Kzoo   @Albion
Olivet@Adrian                 Adrian@Olivet
Trine   @St. Mary's         Calvin@Alma
Calvin (BYE)               
               
Albion@Trine                 Adrian@Alma
Alma   @St. Mary's         Calvin@Trine
Olivet@Calvin                 Hope@Kzoo
Hope@Kzoo                 Albion@Olivet
Adrian (BYE)               

February Games

Calvin@Kzoo                   Kzoo   @Alma
Alma   @Olivet                  Olivet@Calvin
Albion@St. Mary's         Albion@Hope
Adrian@Trine                   Trine   @Adrian
Hope (BYE)               
               
Alma   @Adrian                  Calvin@Albion
Trine   @Calvin                  Adrian@Hope
St. Mary's   @Hope           Trine@Kzoo
Kzoo   @Olivet                  Olivet@Alma
Albion (BYE)               
               
Olivet@Hope                   Hope@Olivet
St. Mary's@Calvin          Calvin@Kzoo
Trine   @Alma                    Alma@Trine
Albion@Adrian                  Adrian@Albion
Kzoo (BYE)               
               
Albion@Calvin                  Olivet@Trine
Hope@Adrian                   Kzoo   @Adrian
Kzoo   @Trine                   Hope@Calvin
St. Mary's@Olivet           Alma   @Albion
Alma (BYE)               
               
Kzoo   @St. Mary's          Olivet@Kzoo
Trine   @Hope                   Hope@Alma
Adrian@Calvin                  Calvin@Adrian
Alma   @Albion                  Albion@Trine
Olivet (BYE)               
               
Trine   @Olivet                   Trine   @Hope
Adrian@Kzoo                  Albion@Kzoo
Albion@Hope                  Olivet@Adrian
Calvin@Alma                   Alma   @Calvin
St. Mary's (BYE)