MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[pointlem]

---Speaking of Sam, he deserved a 'T' or even two tonight.  I didn't mind the constant griping at officials, it meant he wasn't coaching his team.  I think he was working hard for a T in the middle of the 2nd half

For as unrelenting and vociferous as he was in complaining, I, too, thought the refs showed remarkable patience.  And then at the game's end he--perhaps still mad--left the floor without seeming to say a word to anyone . . . just quickly brushing hands down the line and then outta there.  No sportsmanship award there tonight . . . but perhaps just a bad night for a good guy.

And yes to your tweet, Sac . . . sad to see such minimal student support this year for Hope men's and women's BB.  Thankfully, the community support continues to be excellent

[sac]

Gender equity is a "point of emphasis" for the current MIAA Board of Control.  Look for varying start times to trickle to soccer, lacrosse, and other sports where men and women share facilities.  SAC won't believe what's happen going to happen to golf in a couple of years.   I'm not promoting either side of the coin on this issue, but please know it's not exclusive to basketball.

I'm actually interested what it could be because the men and women really don't and to my knowledge have never played on the same days or locations.  In some cases, like Hope, they don't even play on the same courses.

Hope men =  Wuskowan
Hope women =  Ravines
( lol, I played at Winding Creek and Grand Haven)

[sac]

---Speaking of Sam, he deserved a 'T' or even two tonight.  I didn't mind the constant griping at officials, it meant he wasn't coaching his team.  I think he was working hard for a T in the middle of the 2nd half

For as unrelenting and vociferous as he was in complaining, I, too, thought the refs showed remarkable patience.  And then at the games end he--seemingly still mad--left the floor without seeming to say a word to anyone . . . just quickly brushing hands down the line and then outta there.  No sportsmanship award there tonight . . . but perhaps just a bad night for a good guy.

And yes to your tweet, Sac . . . sad to see such minimal student support this year for Hope men's and women's BB.  Thankfully, the community support continues to be excellent

You can move to Alma, but the Calvin in you never leaves. 

---Speaking of Sam, he deserved a 'T' or even two tonight.  I didn't mind the constant griping at officials, it meant he wasn't coaching his team.  I think he was working hard for a T in the middle of the 2nd half

For as unrelenting and vociferous as he was in complaining, I, too, thought the refs showed remarkable patience.  And then at the game's end he--perhaps still mad--left the floor without seeming to say a word to anyone . . . just quickly brushing hands down the line and then outta there.  No sportsmanship award there tonight . . . but perhaps just a bad night for a good guy.

And yes to your tweet, Sac . . . sad to see such minimal student support this year for Hope men's and women's BB.  Thankfully, the community support continues to be excellent

Hope's student section is an embarrassment and I hope they see this.....all 8 of them or whatever it was.

[HopeConvert]

It's called dinner hour. Or, for some people, work hours.

Two games is two too many.

And what about the fans for the women's games?  They don't eat dinner or work?

I repeat: The MIAAA needs a lesson in the meaning of the word "equity."

[HopeConvert]

I would have T'd Hargraves up a couple of times tonight. It really was embarrassing for him, and not good for his team. The contrast with the other sideline couldn't have been more stark.

Eidson is shooting better from 47 feet than he is from 20.

Alma is a very scrappy team, I'll give them that. They're a player or two short of competing for first place, but they're dangerous.

[sac]

I would have T'd Hargraves up a couple of times tonight. It really was embarrassing for him, and not good for his team. The contrast with the other sideline couldn't have been more stark.

Eidson is shooting better from 47 feet than he is from 20.

Alma is a very scrappy team, I'll give them that. They're a player or two short of competing for first place, but they're dangerous.

Part of Eidson's problem from 20 feet is that he's taking those shots from 23, 24, 25.  He needs to get an easy one or two to go from the line(like right on the line) before he starts launching the long ones.

He and Hope are much better when he plays around the basket. 

[Stinger]

I would have T'd Hargraves up a couple of times tonight. It really was embarrassing for him, and not good for his team. The contrast with the other sideline couldn't have been more stark.

Eidson is shooting better from 47 feet than he is from 20.

Alma is a very scrappy team, I'll give them that. They're a player or two short of competing for first place, but they're dangerous.

Ah, the classic Hope overly righteous comment. 

[HopeConvert]

I like to think it was appropriately righteous.

[sac]

I like to think it was appropriately righteous.

Maybe the league needs a righteous equity policy.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I would have T'd Hargraves up a couple of times tonight. It really was embarrassing for him, and not good for his team. The contrast with the other sideline couldn't have been more stark.

Eidson is shooting better from 47 feet than he is from 20.

Alma is a very scrappy team, I'll give them that. They're a player or two short of competing for first place, but they're dangerous.

Ah, the classic Hope overly righteous comment.

Followed by the predictable Stinger "everything Hope is horrid" response

I actually think Hargraves was trying to get T'd up, and was then even more frustrated when he wan't

[KnightSlappy]

I would have T'd Hargraves up a couple of times tonight. It really was embarrassing for him, and not good for his team. The contrast with the other sideline couldn't have been more stark.

Eidson is shooting better from 47 feet than he is from 20.

Alma is a very scrappy team, I'll give them that. They're a player or two short of competing for first place, but they're dangerous.

Ah, the classic Hope overly righteous comment.

Followed by the predictable Stinger "everything Hope is horrid" response

He's not wrong.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I would have T'd Hargraves up a couple of times tonight. It really was embarrassing for him, and not good for his team. The contrast with the other sideline couldn't have been more stark.

Eidson is shooting better from 47 feet than he is from 20.

Alma is a very scrappy team, I'll give them that. They're a player or two short of competing for first place, but they're dangerous.

Ah, the classic Hope overly righteous comment.

Followed by the predictable Stinger "everything Hope is horrid" response

He's not wrong.

Another predictable response.   

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I asked sac this last night - wondering when is the last time an MIAA team beat both Hope & Calvin in the same season.  Olivet was the last team to do so in the 2009-2010 Season (84-61 over Calvin @ Olivet, and 67-64 over Hope @ Hope).

[knightvision]

---Speaking of Sam, he deserved a 'T' or even two tonight.  I didn't mind the constant griping at officials, it meant he wasn't coaching his team.  I think he was working hard for a T in the middle of the 2nd half

For as unrelenting and vociferous as he was in complaining, I, too, thought the refs showed remarkable patience.  And then at the games end he--seemingly still mad--left the floor without seeming to say a word to anyone . . . just quickly brushing hands down the line and then outta there.  No sportsmanship award there tonight . . . but perhaps just a bad night for a good guy.

And yes to your tweet, Sac . . . sad to see such minimal student support this year for Hope men's and women's BB.  Thankfully, the community support continues to be excellent

You can move to Alma, but the Calvin in you never leaves. 

Sounds like a repeat performance from his hissy fits when they played at Calvin a couple weeks ago.  The temper tantrums were one thing, but I'd have been more inclined to T him up because he was pretty much at half court on multiple occasions, and there were numerous times when he was 5-10 feet onto the court when play was at the other end in the second half.  Love the enthusiasm, but IMHO he's way past that, and I entirely agree with HC--this is embarrassing to him.   I'm not a big fan of quick or reactive T's by officials, but I'd calmly tell him the coaching box line is there for a reason, and the next time he blatantly disregards it, he's going to get one--whether he wants one or not.  Perhaps last night the officials were rightfully patient/tolerant, but at Calvin I was disappointed they didn't address it.   

sac, with regard to where he acquired his penchant for such behavior, would you be more inclined to give Douma or KVS the credit for the training?  To fully understand how he got here, though, it's probably unfair not to include his ability to learn from GVW and roaming onto the floor during play.  He clearly has some room for improvement in perfecting his craft and actually reaching out and touching someone, but I have to give him credit for getting out onto the floor at VNA--his ability to get way out there even though there weren't Calvin fans flush against the court forcing him to roam from the bench was pretty incredible   

[knightvision]

Gender equity is a "point of emphasis" for the current MIAA Board of Control.  Look for varying start times to trickle to soccer, lacrosse, and other sports where men and women share facilities.  SAC won't believe what's happen going to happen to golf in a couple of years.   I'm not promoting either side of the coin on this issue, but please know it's not exclusive to basketball.

I'm actually interested what it could be because the men and women really don't and to my knowledge have never played on the same days or locations.  In some cases, like Hope, they don't even play on the same courses.

Hope men =  Wuskowan
Hope women =  Ravines
( lol, I played at Winding Creek and Grand Haven)

With a daughter in high school who played both volleyball and basketball at the time all this changed in MI, I've had more than my share of conversations with girls, coaches, parents, and officials on how/whether this has improved things for girls/women playing high school and college sports.  Strictly looking at the scheduling changes that resulted from the lawsuit, for sports where there are shared facilities, I'd personally be most adamant about ensuring that the prime practice times were equitably distributed.  I just haven't really found anyone, especially female athletes, who think the new system is better for them. 

Based on what I've learned, if I had a daughter playing golf at Hope, the first thing I would do (after hiring OK to represent me and my daughter of course) is sue Hope College for not providing my daughter with a similar quality golf course as the men