MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

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Schools where the men and women play different courses: Calvin, Hope, Olivet, Kalamazoo.  In two of the four cases, the men clearly have the better course IMHO. 

Hope - Wuskowhan > Ravines
Kzoo - Kalamazoo CC > Milham Park

In the other two, you could make cases either way on some level.  Olivet = Bedford vs. Medalist and Calvin = Watermark vs. Thornapple.

The men will likely have to switch their eight course round robin to a format whereby they play half of the MIAA courses and have a two-day neutral site event for a total of six rounds.  The MIAA has always been proud of hosting the longest tournament in D3 golf (144 holes) on each of the school's home courses, which is very fair.  The women have not wanted to do the same with nine courses/schools, and since the formats must be the same, we end up here.  I wouldn't force the women to bump to nine rounds, but I do not understand why they must be the same. 


HopeConvert

Quote from: oldknight on January 22, 2015, 07:15:10 PM
Quote from: HopeConvert on January 22, 2015, 05:50:30 PM
I'd like to think the coach is the one who has to check his insurance. After all, he's not where he's supposed to be.


Not trying to defend Sammy--like KV I was surprised Hargraves wasn't penalized for walking out a good 20 feet on to the floor while the ball was in play. But on the advise of counsel, you should reconsider your legal opinion. If coach 1 instructs a player to run over coach 2, said coach 2 gets injured, and coach 2's loyal counselor learns it was a deliberate act, guess who is going to get sued?

I defer to the advice of my counsel.

Although, as the Patriots have taught us, there are ways of communicating things without saying it directly.
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sac

Quote from: HopeConvert on January 22, 2015, 07:49:37 PM
Quote from: oldknight on January 22, 2015, 07:15:10 PM
Quote from: HopeConvert on January 22, 2015, 05:50:30 PM
I'd like to think the coach is the one who has to check his insurance. After all, he's not where he's supposed to be.


Not trying to defend Sammy--like KV I was surprised Hargraves wasn't penalized for walking out a good 20 feet on to the floor while the ball was in play. But on the advise of counsel, you should reconsider your legal opinion. If coach 1 instructs a player to run over coach 2, said coach 2 gets injured, and coach 2's loyal counselor learns it was a deliberate act, guess who is going to get sued?

I defer to the advice of my counsel.

Although, as the Patriots have taught us, there are ways of communicating things without saying it directly.


sac

I believe all 8 MIAA schools now have an SOS in the top 100 on massey.

wiz

Quote from: HopeConvert on January 22, 2015, 05:50:30 PM
On a different note, what did Trine's defense do to Calvin last night?
Shut them down.

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Gregory Sager

Quote from: sac on January 22, 2015, 09:14:11 PM
Quote from: HopeConvert on January 22, 2015, 07:49:37 PM
Quote from: oldknight on January 22, 2015, 07:15:10 PM
Quote from: HopeConvert on January 22, 2015, 05:50:30 PM
I'd like to think the coach is the one who has to check his insurance. After all, he's not where he's supposed to be.


Not trying to defend Sammy--like KV I was surprised Hargraves wasn't penalized for walking out a good 20 feet on to the floor while the ball was in play. But on the advise of counsel, you should reconsider your legal opinion. If coach 1 instructs a player to run over coach 2, said coach 2 gets injured, and coach 2's loyal counselor learns it was a deliberate act, guess who is going to get sued?

I defer to the advice of my counsel.

Although, as the Patriots have taught us, there are ways of communicating things without saying it directly.



Best laugh I've had all week. Thanks, sac!

(Informal poll: Which is the better media buzzword for what happened in Foxboro last Sunday, "Ballghazi" or "Deflategate"?
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sac

Ballghazi sounds like something that fell off the belttm

Gregory Sager

... and I'll bet all the corn in Manito that there's no store in Bloomington, IL that carries Ballghazis in stock, which means that official BeltTM curator Just Bill is likely pulling out his hair right now.
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Pat Coleman

Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 22, 2015, 10:01:27 PM(Informal poll: Which is the better media buzzword for what happened in Foxboro last Sunday, "Ballghazi" or "Deflategate"?

Ballghazi is a little ... crude ... but for goodness sakes, haven't we had enough "gate" names already?
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Gregory Sager

I agree, Pat. I just like "Ballghazi" because: a) it's a very bizarre-looking and -sounding portmanteau; and b) like you, I'm thoroughly sick of "-gate"-suffixed scandals. Watergate was 40 years ago. Enough, already. Get with the times and use a new suffix, scandal neologists!
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knightvision

Quote from: HopeConvert on January 22, 2015, 05:50:30 PM
I'd like to think the coach is the one who has to check his insurance. After all, he's not where he's supposed to be.

I keep hoping some B1G coach tells one of his players to do this to Tom Izzo. Honestly, if the refs aren't going to enforce it, take a more dramatic step. It's an easily enforceable rule, and there's no good reason for a coach to violate it.

On a different note, what did Trine's defense do to Calvin last night?

Once again I agree wholeheartedly with HC.  I'd never tell a player to intentionally hurt the opposing coach, but I would remind the big who was running that wing in transition to make sure he stays wide like he has been taught to ensure proper floor spacing on the fast break :P

Slightly different circumstance, but a couple years ago when coaching a high school varsity team in a fall league, I got tired of watching an opposing player set countless moving screens as well as some wicked hip and knee checks at the top of the key. After getting nowhere with the officials, who I had very calmly and appropriately asked to address the problem before someone got hurt, I indicated to my team that we were no longer going over or under the screen--we were going through until further notice. Didn't take long, but amazingly they stopped running the high pick and roll after the illegal screener took a couple well earned charges--particularly the one that had to have left a mark when my 235 lb man-child big nearly obliterated him trying to "get through" the screen.

It's an absolute joke how far Hargraves is out on the court--and it's not just an isolated reaction to a play or call, he was way out there possession after possession.  Intentional or not, sooner or later there is bound to be a collision or worse.  We've all seen coaches get warned for being outside the box and too close to midcourt while still on the sideline, and it's unbelievable to me that he's allowed to repeatedly be out as far as he is on the court without even so much as a warning. Annoying to be sure, and just plain dangerous for the players.  MIAA officials need to address this pronto.

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Stinger

Quote from: HopeConvert on January 22, 2015, 04:47:42 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 22, 2015, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: sac on January 22, 2015, 03:55:08 PM
Hargraves was open, just not enough time to get him the ball. ;)

I've always wondered what would happen if a player more or less purposely ran over a coach who was on the floor. Like if, in the above play, Carlson plowed into Hargraves instead of running to the opposite corner. They'd have to T up Hargraves for being on the floor, no?

Del Harris got T'd when it happened to him.

I would instruct my players to run into the coach if he's on the floor.

GVW would've gotten destroyed playing against you.
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HopeConvert

Quote from: Stinger on January 23, 2015, 09:19:46 AM
Quote from: HopeConvert on January 22, 2015, 04:47:42 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 22, 2015, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: sac on January 22, 2015, 03:55:08 PM
Hargraves was open, just not enough time to get him the ball. ;)

I've always wondered what would happen if a player more or less purposely ran over a coach who was on the floor. Like if, in the above play, Carlson plowed into Hargraves instead of running to the opposite corner. They'd have to T up Hargraves for being on the floor, no?

Del Harris got T'd when it happened to him.

I would instruct my players to run into the coach if he's on the floor.

GVW would've gotten destroyed playing against you.
Hopefully only once. Depends on the learning curve.
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northb

Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 22, 2015, 10:40:12 PM
I agree, Pat. I just like "Ballghazi" because: a) it's a very bizarre-looking and -sounding portmanteau; and b) like you, I'm thoroughly sick of "-gate"-suffixed scandals. Watergate was 40 years ago. Enough, already. Get with the times and use a new suffix, scandal neologists!
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