MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

negative karma for that.  Seems about right with this group these days.

[almcguirejr]

Holland Sentinel article: http://m.hollandsentinel.com/article/20150228/SPORTS/150228910/13406/NEWS

[MaroonKnighty]

I hope this reaches the right people, and I'm asking for help of fellow posters and anyone else who might have been at the game tonight.


Hope and Calvin are in a position to be leaders on an issue that is getting more and more national attention.  As silly as it sounds, court rushes.  What happened at the end of this game was extremely dangerous.  I care too much about what goes on in this game to see it marred permanently by something that can be prevented.

I'm asking those of you in attendance tonight to let both the Hope and Calvin AD's know that you'd like a copy of the video sent to ESPN about what could potentially go wrong at the end of a game.  We were way, way to close to something very serious happening and its just not worth it.

It does not take much for a person to be crushed and seriously or permanently injured. 

Thanks.

Why in the world do you need the people who cared enough to show up to the game to push your agenda?  You are more than capable of contacting the AD's yourself and asking them to do your ridiculous favor.  I actually thought the players on both teams and a fair amount of fans did a pretty good job of protecting the player on the floor and getting him out of harm's way.

[MaroonKnighty]

and here it starts.

Yes - the start of reality - Hope players were getting fouled (mugged, hacked, whatever you want to call it) and it wasn't being called, specifically in the 2nd half. I honestly believe it came down to the fact that the rotation of the officials had Kooiker under the Calvin basket, while Palmer was under the Hope basket. It appeared to me that these two officials were calling the game very differently. 

Yes, Hope could have/should have done a couple of things better and won the game, but the officiating contributed to the final outcome. That's not an excuse, it's the reality of what happened IMHO

If you would have won the game you would have been touting how tough Hope played and how they withstood a great Calvin attempt. Instead you're bitching about refs. How about you not bitch eh? Watched the whole game and there were plenty of non calls on both sides of the ball. The refs let them play at the end, Benson couldn't make the free throws when it counted and Otto hucked up a bad shot, that's the reality. Brink went lights out in the last 3 minutes and played like an All American. That's what happened. Everyone knows I can't stand KVS' coaching, but give a little more credit or go wipe your tears with your national runner up banners.

You have no idea of what I would have said if the outcome had been different. The fact is that I believe the officiating was awful(both ways), and while the first half was fairly even the second half was decidedly in Calvins favor. You are correct that missing FTs and shots and rebounds made the difference,  but the officiating did contribute to the final outcome.  That is not unique to this game, it happens to lots of teams at all levels, but it does happen. Calvin outplayed Hope the last 3 minutes and won the game, but I believe the officiating helped them get to a point where they could win it in the end.

And there is no reason to get pissy about it. I'm sharing my opinion and that's it.

IMHO, if the officiating was better, Calvin would have won by more than one point.

[HOPEful]

Calvin should have sent a few people in to keep the students under control until the teams were done shaking hands. Then let the pplayers and fans celebrate.

I don't mind court storming. I actually quite like it. And this win was definitely worth storming the court over considering the circumstance. I would have just hoped that instead of ignoring the fact that Ben was still lying on the ground beneath them, calvin's players would have helped him up and out before continuing the celebration.

They did and you would know that if you took the time to go the archived video on Calvin's website instead of making an unwarranted criticism.

You are correct. I watched the video and there were 2 calvin players who were indeed trying to hold back the other players. I was in the third row, but on the other side and did not have the vantage point to see them. My reaction was slightly unfair. I still think it's ridiculous that hundreds of students and players were jumping up and down in a swarm while a Hope player was lying on the ground beneath them, regardless if 2 players were doing the right thing or not. It's also ridiculous to taunt a hurt player.

I'll just add it to the list. Good luck in the playoffs calvin. See you next year.

[knightvision]

Jordan Brink's last shot at VNA!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UJyLyFOPTwY

In addition to the the other fine play(s) of the night already noted, I'd add the catch that Jordan Daley made of the pass that Brink threw to him right before the game winning shot.  Watching online from the steep camera angle I thought Brink had thrown it out of bounds, and when you watch this clip from floor level it's an even more impressive grab--that was a rising fastball headed for the bleachers.  (Not quite the right angle, but if oldknight couldn't handle the cream puff that came his way at DeVos earlier this year, imagine the damage this one coulda done!) 

I went back and watched the last 3 minutes again.  If you don't think these games come down to the little things, consider this:
1) Confusion on high ball screen defense led to two wide open 3's in the last minute or so --Brink makes his to bring Calvin within 2, Otto misses his that probably closes it out for Hope.
2) No box out leads to two huge offensive rebounds--TJ's for Calvin off a Stout missed 3 leads to a 3pt play (after Benson had made a huge bucket on a strong post move to bump Hope's lead back to 4), and Gardner's for Hope off Otto's missed 3 gets them another possession and forces Calvin to foul, but Benson can't convert the front end of the 1 & 1.  Both TJ and Gardner made incredible effort plays to keep possessions alive.   

Calvin lives to play another day, but by the skin of their teeth. Brink's late game heroics have bailed them out on numerous occasions this year, and did again last night, but for Calvin to make any kind of run in the tourney, methinks they are gonna need a more consistent sense of urgency earlier and throughout games.   

From the Holland Sentinel article:     "We deserve a better fate," Hope coach Greg Mitchell said. "We played with great touchiness (assuming he said toughness)and passion. I am proud of Sam for having a career game. He is a perfect example of finding away to put everything you can together to find success.
"We expected to win to get in. If a committee has seen us, and seen us play the schedule that we did — we definitely deserve to get in. I wouldn't want to face us because we are playing great basketball."

I wouldn't want to play Hope again in the tourney (and I'm not particularly looking forward to playing them next year without Brink!).  Everything I had heard leading up to this game was that only the winner would get in, but for those of you that understand the metrics and selection process far better than me, has anything changed for Hope to have a chance to get in?

[KnightSlappy]

Anybody know what Jordan Daley's dad was so hot about after the game?

From walking past, it sounded like someone said something untoward to him. No idea who or what.

[sac]

Jordan Brink's last shot at VNA!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UJyLyFOPTwY

I wouldn't want to play Hope again in the tourney (and I'm not particularly looking forward to playing them next year without Brink!).  Everything I had heard leading up to this game was that only the winner would get in, but for those of you that understand the metrics and selection process far better than me, has anything changed for Hope to have a chance to get in?

Hope was pretty much eliminated when John Carroll and Mt. Union beat Marietta in the same week.

Having seen Hope, Calvin, Ohio Wesleyan, Wooster and Mt. Union in person.  Along with watching several Marietta and John Carroll games on video I'm not sure this region has ever been tighter.    I also thought Baldwin-Wallace, DePauw and Wabash were pretty good as well.  There is just very little difference between any of those teams.  Hope ends up on the short-end and probably John Carroll too.

But at least Medaille is in.

[Knight2Day]

Jordan Brink's last shot at VNA!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UJyLyFOPTwY

In addition to the the other fine play(s) of the night already noted, I'd add the catch that Jordan Daley made of the pass that Brink threw to him right before the game winning shot.  Watching online from the steep camera angle I thought Brink had thrown it out of bounds, and when you watch this clip from floor level it's an even more impressive grab--that was a rising fastball headed for the bleachers.  (Not quite the right angle, but if oldknight couldn't handle the cream puff that came his way at DeVos earlier this year, imagine the damage this one coulda done!) 

I went back and watched the last 3 minutes again.  If you don't think these games come down to the little things, consider this:
1) Confusion on high ball screen defense led to two wide open 3's in the last minute or so --Brink makes his to bring Calvin within 2, Otto misses his that probably closes it out for Hope.
2) No box out leads to two huge offensive rebounds--TJ's for Calvin off a Stout missed 3 leads to a 3pt play (after Benson had made a huge bucket on a strong post move to bump Hope's lead back to 4), and Gardner's for Hope off Otto's missed 3 gets them another possession and forces Calvin to foul, but Benson can't convert the front end of the 1 & 1.  Both TJ and Gardner made incredible effort plays to keep possessions alive.   

Calvin lives to play another day, but by the skin of their teeth. Brink's late game heroics have bailed them out on numerous occasions this year, and did again last night, but for Calvin to make any kind of run in the tourney, methinks they are gonna need a more consistent sense of urgency earlier and throughout games.   

From the Holland Sentinel article:     "We deserve a better fate," Hope coach Greg Mitchell said. "We played with great touchiness (assuming he said toughness)and passion. I am proud of Sam for having a career game. He is a perfect example of finding away to put everything you can together to find success.
"We expected to win to get in. If a committee has seen us, and seen us play the schedule that we did — we definitely deserve to get in. I wouldn't want to face us because we are playing great basketball."

I wouldn't want to play Hope again in the tourney (and I'm not particularly looking forward to playing them next year without Brink!).  Everything I had heard leading up to this game was that only the winner would get in, but for those of you that understand the metrics and selection process far better than me, has anything changed for Hope to have a chance to get in?

Next year Calvin is going to have a really tough time against not only Hope but I believe against Trine and Alma as well. None of the schools are really graduating anyone. Next year Hope will be a very very good ball club. For Calvin, living in the moment is all that really matters though.

[knights2000]

6) Still waiting for a gut-feeling to develop regarding Saturday. Right now it feels like a complete toss-up.

Massey Ratings agrees. Massey predicts a 76-75 Calvin win (actually it rates the score closer than that by providing a mean score of 76.13--75.37) and gives the Knights a 53% probability of winning. In other words, go ahead and toss that coin.

That Massey guy sure is impressive sometimes...

[Dark Knight]

. . .It's also ridiculous to taunt a hurt player.

I'll just add it to the list. Good luck in the playoffs calvin. See you next year.

Otto had a cramp. He took a couple of steps and was fine.

If you're keeping score, are you counting the Dew Crew's continued taunting of Daley?

Whenever they chanted "We want Daley" I wanted the Calvin students to reply "You can't have him!"

[sac]

"We love Daley"


Like I said on twitter, every now and then Hope/Calvin fans need a refresher on sportsmanship and whats important.

[sac]

-11 since last night, what a petty board.

[GoKnights68]

I hope this reaches the right people, and I'm asking for help of fellow posters and anyone else who might have been at the game tonight.


Hope and Calvin are in a position to be leaders on an issue that is getting more and more national attention.  As silly as it sounds, court rushes.  What happened at the end of this game was extremely dangerous.  I care too much about what goes on in this game to see it marred permanently by something that can be prevented.

I'm asking those of you in attendance tonight to let both the Hope and Calvin AD's know that you'd like a copy of the video sent to ESPN about what could potentially go wrong at the end of a game.  We were way, way to close to something very serious happening and its just not worth it.

It does not take much for a person to be crushed and seriously or permanently injured. 

Thanks.

Don't you usually have something to say about the actual game?

[sac]

I hope this reaches the right people, and I'm asking for help of fellow posters and anyone else who might have been at the game tonight.


Hope and Calvin are in a position to be leaders on an issue that is getting more and more national attention.  As silly as it sounds, court rushes.  What happened at the end of this game was extremely dangerous.  I care too much about what goes on in this game to see it marred permanently by something that can be prevented.

I'm asking those of you in attendance tonight to let both the Hope and Calvin AD's know that you'd like a copy of the video sent to ESPN about what could potentially go wrong at the end of a game.  We were way, way to close to something very serious happening and its just not worth it.

It does not take much for a person to be crushed and seriously or permanently injured. 

Thanks.

Don't you usually have something to say about the actual game?

Pardon me for trying to turn what could have been a huge negative into something positive.

Sorry you don't share my concern for what happened last night.  When that horn blew I was disappointed in the outcome of a game, that immediately turned to concern for the safety of two players from both teams in a position to be trampled.  There were fans who came out of the stands to help, all it would have taken was one person interpreting that wrong and throwing a punch and then we have a big, big problem.

I don't want to be in the gym while a kid has to be resuscitated because they were crushed under a pile of bodies because someone tripped.  When I was in high school a class mate of mine took a hard foul on what would now be considered a flagrant foul.  He hit his head and bit his tongue which swelled blocking his airway.  I had to sit there with 1500 other people watching a kids face turn blue while we all helplessly waited an excruciating 4 minutes for an ambulance.  I don't want to ever see that again, not anywhere.