MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[GreatScot!?]

It seemed like Coach Mitchell did more complaining to the refs down the stretch than actually coaching his team. And having an unbiased opinion on the game, I thought the officiating was pretty good. They're not going to get every call right, but there's no way that the officiating had an influence on the outcome of the game. It pretty much came down to Calvin grabbing a few to many offensive rebounds to give them the extra possessions that helped win the game.

[Knight2Day]

I hope this reaches the right people, and I'm asking for help of fellow posters and anyone else who might have been at the game tonight.


Hope and Calvin are in a position to be leaders on an issue that is getting more and more national attention.  As silly as it sounds, court rushes.  What happened at the end of this game was extremely dangerous.  I care too much about what goes on in this game to see it marred permanently by something that can be prevented.

I'm asking those of you in attendance tonight to let both the Hope and Calvin AD's know that you'd like a copy of the video sent to ESPN about what could potentially go wrong at the end of a game.  We were way, way to close to something very serious happening and its just not worth it.

It does not take much for a person to be crushed and seriously or permanently injured. 

Thanks.

Don't you usually have something to say about the actual game?

Pardon me for trying to turn what could have been a huge negative into something positive.

Sorry you don't share my concern for what happened last night.  When that horn blew I was disappointed in the outcome of a game, that immediately turned to concern for the safety of two players from both teams in a position to be trampled.  There were fans who came out of the stands to help, all it would have taken was one person interpreting that wrong and throwing a punch and then we have a big, big problem.

I don't want to be in the gym while a kid has to be resuscitated because they were crushed under a pile of bodies because someone tripped.  When I was in high school a class mate of mine took a hard foul on what would now be considered a flagrant foul.  He hit his head and bit his tongue which swelled blocking his airway.  I had to sit there with 1500 other people watching a kids face turn blue while we all helplessly waited an excruciating 4 minutes for an ambulance.  I don't want to ever see that again, not anywhere.

While I see where you're coming from, that's not even close to an apples to apples comparison. That's like comparing Wes Leonard's death to a concussion from a big football hit. One was a terrible freak accident and one is part of the game. While the story you told is very terrible and I can't imagine what it would be like in that position, the school administration and players did a pretty good job of getting Gardner up and out of the way and I think this situation was mildly blown out of proportion.

[oldknight]

I hope this reaches the right people, and I'm asking for help of fellow posters and anyone else who might have been at the game tonight.


Hope and Calvin are in a position to be leaders on an issue that is getting more and more national attention.  As silly as it sounds, court rushes.  What happened at the end of this game was extremely dangerous.  I care too much about what goes on in this game to see it marred permanently by something that can be prevented.

I'm asking those of you in attendance tonight to let both the Hope and Calvin AD's know that you'd like a copy of the video sent to ESPN about what could potentially go wrong at the end of a game.  We were way, way to close to something very serious happening and its just not worth it.

It does not take much for a person to be crushed and seriously or permanently injured. 

Thanks.

Don't you usually have something to say about the actual game?

Pardon me for trying to turn what could have been a huge negative into something positive.

Sorry you don't share my concern for what happened last night.  When that horn blew I was disappointed in the outcome of a game, that immediately turned to concern for the safety of two players from both teams in a position to be trampled.  There were fans who came out of the stands to help, all it would have taken was one person interpreting that wrong and throwing a punch and then we have a big, big problem.

I wasn't going to say anything but you're making it impossible by continuing to ride one very large, hypocritical high horse. You completely ignore the disgraceful behavior of the Dew Crew who--yet again--personalized and individualized one player, Jordan Daley, and violated the NCAA Fan Code of Conduct. Worse than that, when confronted with their violation by Jordan's father who was understandably and rightly upset, some visiting fans verbally insulted this pastor from the RCA, calling him a "prick" and then pushing him twice, an insult to which he did not react. For that indignity Mr. Daley was escorted out of the arena and lost the opportunity to celebrate a wonderful evening with his son while the student offenders got to go back to Holland and drink beer. On top of that, you neglect to mention how the Hope coaching staff started screaming at KVS as if the fan rush was his fault. To his everlasting credit, KVS did not respond in kind and is quoted on mlive as say "We've apologized. Hope showed complete class." Given his position, KVS takes a fair amount of grief from folks like us but that was a generous comment by the Calvin coach. Your failure to take a balanced approach to last night's conclusion makes it impossible to take your comments seriously. And for heaven's sake, quit bitching about your karma rating.

[ziggy]

It seemed like Coach Mitchell did more complaining to the refs down the stretch than actually coaching his team. And having an unbiased opinion on the game, I thought the officiating was pretty good. They're not going to get every call right, but there's no way that the officiating had an influence on the outcome of the game. It pretty much came down to Calvin grabbing a few to many offensive rebounds to give them the extra possessions that helped win the game.

Unbiased opinions in these matters is a luxury we don't usually get so thanks for the comment. Even before much of the Calvin comeback was in full swing, I thought Mitchell had a look of desperation on the sideline. That's not necessarily a criticism as there isn't anything wrong with a sense of urgency in big situations, but maybe it was focused the wrong way last night.

[sac]

I hope this reaches the right people, and I'm asking for help of fellow posters and anyone else who might have been at the game tonight.


Hope and Calvin are in a position to be leaders on an issue that is getting more and more national attention.  As silly as it sounds, court rushes.  What happened at the end of this game was extremely dangerous.  I care too much about what goes on in this game to see it marred permanently by something that can be prevented.

I'm asking those of you in attendance tonight to let both the Hope and Calvin AD's know that you'd like a copy of the video sent to ESPN about what could potentially go wrong at the end of a game.  We were way, way to close to something very serious happening and its just not worth it.

It does not take much for a person to be crushed and seriously or permanently injured. 

Thanks.

Don't you usually have something to say about the actual game?

Pardon me for trying to turn what could have been a huge negative into something positive.

Sorry you don't share my concern for what happened last night.  When that horn blew I was disappointed in the outcome of a game, that immediately turned to concern for the safety of two players from both teams in a position to be trampled.  There were fans who came out of the stands to help, all it would have taken was one person interpreting that wrong and throwing a punch and then we have a big, big problem.

I wasn't going to say anything but you're making it impossible by continuing to ride one very large, hypocritical high horse. You completely ignore the disgraceful behavior of the Dew Crew who--yet again--personalized and individualized one player, Jordan Daley, and violated the NCAA Fan Code of Conduct. Worse than that, when confronted with their violation by Jordan's father who was understandably and rightly upset, some visiting fans verbally insulted this pastor from the RCA, calling him a "prick" and then pushing him twice, an insult to which he did not react. For that indignity Mr. Daley was escorted out of the arena and lost the opportunity to celebrate a wonderful evening with his son while the student offenders got to go back to Holland and drink beer. On top of that, you neglect to mention how the Hope coaching staff started screaming at KVS as if the fan rush was his fault. To his everlasting credit, KVS did not respond in kind and is quoted on mlive as say "We've apologized. Hope showed complete class." Given his position, KVS takes a fair amount of grief from folks like us but that was a generous comment by the Calvin coach. Your failure to take a balanced approach to last night's conclusion makes it impossible to take your comments seriously. And for heaven's sake, quit bitching about your karma rating.

I did address it......

"We love Daley"


Like I said on twitter, every now and then Hope/Calvin fans need a refresher on sportsmanship and whats important.

Again, I'm very thankful what happened wasn't worse.  What I saw was the potential for a very serious problem and I was hoping others might also see that and ask the people who can control such things to make the correct changes.

[pointlem]

Driving home from the game last evening a friend and I agreed that the game and its ending was sure to provoke intense conversation on this board.  And so it has, with even some of our most esteemed contributors weighing in passionately, noting Calvin security and Dew Crew sportsmanship issues.

I've not seen Coach Mitchell so upset with refs for no-calls—he's normally positive and team-focused. Nor can I recall Tom Davelaar, in his post-game interview, ever expressing such dismay, albeit with carefully chosen words.  A one-point loss, which leaves so many "if only's" to contemplate, surely amplifies the emotions.

That's the excitement of sport, which creates happy winners and sad losers. But even those of us on the losing side could walk away thinking, amid our disappointment:  that was a great game, a game worth attending--a Hope-Calvin classic.

Three tips of the hat:

One to hero Jordan Brink for living every ball player's dream, while sinking Hope's hopes. 

One to Hope's players and coaches for a great effort, and visions of even better things to come. 

And one to all of you who've made this board great fun to read, and who have had the courage, while doing so, to risk the brick bats along with the kudos.

[sac]

Dan D'Addona

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/article/20150301/SPORTS/150309953/?Start=2

[calvin_grad]

So Calvin/Hope aside, what's the solution to court storming, whether it be D1, D3, high school, whatever?  It's going to be hard, if not impossible, to stop high school and college kids with an announcement over the PA system.  Do we need a ring of security at every rivalry and championship game?  Can high school and college aged kids be expected to "self-police"?  Who pays for increased security - the home team, the league, the fans via increased ticket prices?  Just curious what ideas people have.

[arena]

So Calvin/Hope aside, what's the solution to court storming, whether it be D1, D3, high school, whatever?  It's going to be hard, if not impossible, to stop high school and college kids with an announcement over the PA system.  Do we need a ring of security at every rivalry and championship game?  Can high school and college aged kids be expected to "self-police"?  Who pays for increased security - the home team, the league, the fans via increased ticket prices?  Just curious what ideas people have.

Avoid giving up a 10 point lead in the closing moments of a championship game, then giving up a game winning shot as the game closes would probably be a start.

[GoKnights68]

So Calvin/Hope aside, what's the solution to court storming, whether it be D1, D3, high school, whatever?  It's going to be hard, if not impossible, to stop high school and college kids with an announcement over the PA system.  Do we need a ring of security at every rivalry and championship game?  Can high school and college aged kids be expected to "self-police"?  Who pays for increased security - the home team, the league, the fans via increased ticket prices?  Just curious what ideas people have.

The home team would pay for it I believe.  Back in 2009, Hope fans complained to the Calvin administration about an incident and threatened to never play at Van Noord unless they beefed up security.  That's why for a few years you saw a private security company (the guys in red jackets that are often at local hockey games too) at Calvin-Hope games.

[sac]

Detroit News:
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2015/03/01/player-trapped-unharmed-calvin-hope-court-storming/24221365/

[DBQ1965]

In the mid 60s I played in a game where court storming was a non-issue.  We played against the Thunderbirds, the inmate team of the Indiana State Penitentiary at Michigan City, Indiana.  In addition to prison guards providing security, the court was surrounded by a cyclone fence cage.  I don't think schools need to go to that extreme, but I do think there needs to be a reasonable solution to this issue.  Excited fans are one thing ... a frenzied crowd is something else.  When the students first ran onto the court with .5 seconds remaining and had to be sent back to the sideline, I was looking for any sign of Calvin security personnel ... and I saw nary a one.

[MaroonKnighty]

-11 since last night, what a petty board.

Is there a way to find out how much karma you've lost or gained in a given time or do you actually have to write it down/remember it since the last time you checked your status?

[ziggy]

-11 since last night, what a petty board.

Is there a way to find out how much karma you've lost or gained in a given time or do you actually have to write it down/remember it since the last time you checked your status?

Yes. Everyone starts with 0/0 so the + is how much you've gained and the - is how much you've lost. Anything detailed beyond that is petty.

[MaroonKnighty]

-11 since last night, what a petty board.

Is there a way to find out how much karma you've lost or gained in a given time or do you actually have to write it down/remember it since the last time you checked your status?

Yes. Everyone starts with 0/0 so the + is how much you've gained and the - is how much you've lost. Anything detailed beyond that is petty.

That's what I was wondering.  So if I am past 0/0 and haven't looked at in a while, there would be know way of me knowing what I've gained/lost during a given time period unless I was so concerned about it that I made a note to remember where I was before that said time period?  Why do we even have "karma" on this site?