MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[arena]

Put on your coaching hat.  Critique Mitchell's coaching during the game. Seems to me he lost focus, and that lack of focus showed in how well hope executed at the end of the game. Honestly, if KVS was in Mitchell's place. I'd be calling for his job.

We did to Hope what Alma did to us (and KVS) at Alma.

which was what?

[northb]

Put on your coaching hat.  Critique Mitchell's coaching during the game. Seems to me he lost focus, and that lack of focus showed in how well hope executed at the end of the game. Honestly, if KVS was in Mitchell's place. I'd be calling for his job.

We did to Hope what Alma did to us (and KVS) at Alma.

which was what?

Come from way down to steal the game in the waning seconds.  Nobody (other than realist) was ready to fire KVS

[arena]

Put on your coaching hat.  Critique Mitchell's coaching during the game. Seems to me he lost focus, and that lack of focus showed in how well hope executed at the end of the game. Honestly, if KVS was in Mitchell's place. I'd be calling for his job.

We did to Hope what Alma did to us (and KVS) at Alma.

which was what?

Come from way down to steal the game in the waning seconds.  Nobody (other than realist) was ready to fire KVS

okay. How did that happen. Which coaching decisions helped that along? 

[MaroonKnighty]

Wow is all I have to say.  You guys really have no idea how serious that was.  Not once have I layed blame and only asked those who felt the same to bring the issue before their respective ad's in the hopes the two colleges could make it better in the future.

You've chosen to attack me and now a player.  What is wrong with all you?

SAC, if no one is supporting you, then the majority must believe you are wrong or possibly being a little sensational about this.  "Can't you just admit that you're wrong?" -my wife.

[HOPEful]

After close to 24 hours of letting last night's disappointment sink in, settle, etc... here is my final take on the game as a whole.

1. Hope came out playing the way I wish (and don't understand why they get away from so often) they would play every game. Ball movement was great and Brock and Sam took advantage of the great looks they were getting.

2. For the second game in a row, Hope came out playing intense defense. Their guards weren't getting blown by like they have been prone to do at times. It was fun to watch on both ends of the court.

3. Then the fouls. Brock got a stupid one that put him at 2 and the momentum slowed.

4. Sam Otto was incredible. Again, why hasn't he been starting all year?

5. This point has been blown out of proportion by Hope fans and poo pooed away by calvin fans. The reality is probably somewhere in the middle. In the second half, the officiating under the basket, specifically when Harrison and Brock went up with the ball, was certainly not in Hope's favor. You can probably tack a great deal of it up to "letting them play" inside. Still, the way they called the game in the second half greatly favored calvin's game, and put the emphasis on Hope to make shots from the perimeter.

6. They didn't.

7. Brink did. In heartbreaking/incredible fashion.

My response to everything that is indirectly related to the game itself...

1. Comparing cheering "We love Daley" to cheering "Otto-matic" when a player is down injured is asinine! Yes it was a cramp. But there is no way that the calvin student section was able to determine that before the chant started.

2. What occurred when the game ended was EXTREMELY dangerous and was way too close to ending VERY badly. This is not being talked about enough and the response by some posters trying to once again poo poo it away is disheartening.

3. I won't pretend to know what was going on with Daley's father. I do wonder what he was doing over in the Dew Crew section in the first place?

4. The abuse given to SAC by goknights, calvinites, hollandknight, maroonknighty, etc. has convinced me that I need to take a hiatus from this board. Although I may not agree with SAC's take completely, I know that there would be uproar from the knight faithful if it were Brink, Daley, or another calvin player down on the court while the Dew Crew celebrated over top of them. Your reaction to someone who is more concerned than you are about player safety has me questioning a lot of things. Is requesting everyone to send something to the NCAA or ESPN an overreaction? Maybe. But your reactions to SAC's genuine concern for player safety, make me very sad, not only as a fan of D3 basketball, but as a neighbor and Christian. Once again I am left wondering what they're teaching at calvin.

[wiz]

Anyone have a link to the men's and women's selection shows tomorrow?

[MaroonKnighty]

as a neighbor and Christian. Once again I am left wondering what they're teaching at calvin.

Pass the popcorn, here we go....

[sac]

Wow is all I have to say.  You guys really have no idea how serious that was.  Not once have I layed blame and only asked those who felt the same to bring the issue before their respective ad's in the hopes the two colleges could make it better in the future.

You've chosen to attack me and now a player.  What is wrong with all you?

SAC, if no one is supporting you, then the majority must believe you are wrong or possibly being a little sensational about this.  "Can't you just admit that you're wrong?" -my wife.

I know I have enough support from people who don't post here and who were very concerned about what could have happened to know I'm not wrong.  All I asked was Hope/Calvin be part of the national discussion.  I thought people who post here might want to express their concerns as well.

[realist]

Anyone have a link to the men's and women's selection shows tomorrow?

According to the front page on D3 Hoops this should get you what you want:
http://www.d3hoops.com/videolink/mens-selection-show-2015     
http://www.d3hoops.com/videolink/womens-selection-show-2015

Men at 12:30 p.m. est
women 2:30 p.m. est.

[GreatScot!?]

Court storming in my opinion is a great thing to allow fans to get to celebrate with the players. It has proven to be dangerous, but I feel with a simple tweak from the NCAA, MHSAA, etc... they don't have to be. Just enforce a rule where court storming can take place after the teams shake hands and the opposing team has left the court. This is how my basketball district championship games were handled and it worked very effectively. All it takes is a PA announcement that is made very clear to the crowd.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

as a neighbor and Christian. Once again I am left wondering what they're teaching at calvin.

Pass the popcorn, here we go....

MK - you have done nothing but taunt honest posts by people sharing their opinions. If you have your own opinion to share, do it. If all you are going to do is be snarky, just keep it to yourself.

Some Calvin poster asked earlier today for other Hope fans to share their thoughts - now someone does and you respond like this?  I'm with Hopeful - basically ready to just stop posting. I mean you are trying to turn this into the "Glorify Calvin or else" board.

And regarding the court storming - why is every Calvin poster responding so defensively. No one was accusing any of you or really pointing fingers at the Calvin students. The concern was safety, and that court storming by any student section is too risky  Last night turned out ok, but the potential was there for it to be tragic.

Sorry for the rant, but I am so disappointed in the posts by so many I previously respected - calling someone a hypocrit for concern of the safety of a player. Really. I'm out for awhile.

[HOPEful]

Last post for a long time...

Otto had a cramp. He took a couple of steps and was fine.
If you're keeping score, are you counting the Dew Crew's continued taunting of Daley?
Whenever they chanted "We want Daley" I wanted the Calvin students to reply "You can't have him!"

You're absolutely right. They should have supported their player and responded with that. In the game during the regular season, the "We want Daley!" chants were put to bed real quick when he started lighting it up. To me, that chant is nothing more than an "AIRBALL!" chant. It ends when you start going off. It gets louder when you continue to play poorly. Comparing that to taunting an injured player is insane.

Worse than that, when confronted with their violation by Jordan's father who was understandably and rightly upset, some visiting fans verbally insulted this pastor from the RCA, calling him a "prick" and then pushing him twice, an insult to which he did not react. For that indignity Mr. Daley was escorted out of the arena and lost the opportunity to celebrate a wonderful evening with his son while the student offenders got to go back to Holland and drink beer. On top of that, you neglect to mention how the Hope coaching staff started screaming at KVS as if the fan rush was his fault.

I don't know where to start with this load of crap. "When confronted" maybe? Mr. Daley has NO BUSINESS going over to the Dew Crew. What did he think was going to happen? "An insult to which he did not react"!!! As I was told to go to the calvin website and watch the achieved footage, I will ask you to do the same. Mr. Daley certain looks like he's reacting. He's reacting to the point where I could understand a college student calling him a "prick". I won't pretend to know the order of events, but Mr. Daley made a big transgression by going to the Dew Crew rather than immediately seizing the "opportunity to celebrate a wonderful evening with his son". Finally, Hope's coaching staff was screaming at KVS because it was just as much his players that put Ben in the precarious position that he was in as the students. Yes it appears a couple were trying to help the situation. But most weren't.

SAC, give it a rest already.  I've watched the end of the game over and over.  Gardner had plenty of time to get up and out of the way but he chose to lay on the floor like a baby after losing the game.

This was a great Calvin/hope game, one to go down in the books.  The players and fans all helped to make sure nobody got hurt which is how it should work.  The picture you posted shows a calm Calvin player and a couple P.O'd hope players helping someone up off the floor, don't know if it's Gardner or a fan but I don't see any aggression, only people taking action in this situation making sure that the fans can have their celebration while the players stay safe.  I'm so happy that Mitchell didn't make it into the mix or things would have been much worse based on his antics after the game.

Another ridiculous reaction. Their faces are obviously of panic, fear, and maybe a little "P.O'd". And your comment on Mitchell is an unnecessary attack.

Maroon Knighty, your condescending comments of "please pass the popcorn" only fuel my points. Why do so many calvin fans on this board feel the need to belittle in order to "prove" their points.

OK, I'm done. Good luck in the playoffs calvin. See you all on this board in a couple months. Maybe.

[GoKnights68]

The "pass the popcorn" comment seemed pretty appropriate response considering you just threw a shot at an institution as a whole that we (Calvin posters ) pour(ed) time, money , and hard
Work into.  Are you really leaving the board because you don't like some of the posts here or because Hope's season is done?

[MaroonKnighty]

Finally, Hope's coaching staff was screaming at KVS because it was just as much his players that put Ben in the precarious position that he was in as the students. Yes it appears a couple were trying to help the situation. But most weren't.

Should Calvin have inbounded differently with .5 on the clock?
I'm done talking about stampede gate, Congrats to the Knights on stepping up and winning the MIAA tournament.  The best team in the league won and will move on.  Go Knights, and good luck in the NCAA national tournament.

[Roundball999]

Wow is all I have to say.  You guys really have no idea how serious that was.  Not once have I layed blame and only asked those who felt the same to bring the issue before their respective ad's in the hopes the two colleges could make it better in the future.

You've chosen to attack me and now a player.  What is wrong with all you?

SAC, if no one is supporting you, then the majority must believe you are wrong or possibly being a little sensational about this.  "Can't you just admit that you're wrong?" -my wife.

I wholeheartedly support Sac on this, I think uncontrolled court rushing is a very serious issue and some concrete rules with stiff penalties should be implemented in an attempt to prevent it in the future.  Seems members of the media agree.  KVS' gracious quoted comments sure seem to confirm his confusion and concern over what happened.

To be clear, this is not a Calvin issue and this part of the discussion should be considered completely separately from the game itself.  It was a classic game between two teams that left it all on the court.  Nothing but respect for both.  But it is natural to discuss the rushing the court issue when it happens.  I'm really disappointed that this thread has devolved for some into personal attacks against players and other posters.  Not sure what was up with Mr. Daley or specifically why Calvin's security saw fit to escort him out.

With regard to the coaching, I call it a toss up just as the game was.  I find it very hard to fault a first year college coach like Mitchell, I feel he did a great job this year under the circumstances.  His team improved in each of the three games vs. Calvin and if you want to blame Mitchell for this loss, then you must equally blame KVS for having his team unprepared for the first portion of the game.  Unless you believe Hope is clearly the better team.  I don't.  Seems to me these teams, and coaches, are fairly evenly matched.  The main difference is that Hope doesn't have a Jordan Brink and that difference was pretty apparent in each game when it mattered most.