MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

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ziggy

Quote from: KnightSlappy on August 11, 2015, 05:04:26 PM
Quote from: mrbasketballfan12 on August 11, 2015, 02:28:23 PM
Trine- Will Dixon is the best guard in the league



The thing about Will Dixon is that, while a good player, he is a volume shooter so some gaudy numbers have to be put in context.

Austin Parks = 54.1% eFG
Will Dixon = 50.1% eFG


sac

Quote from: ziggy on August 12, 2015, 04:26:13 PM
The thing about Will Dixon is that, while a good player, he is a volume shooter so some gaudy numbers have to be put in context.

Austin Parks = 54.1% eFG
Will Dixon = 50.1% eFG

Austin Parks wasn't being asked to shoulder the load on Calvin's team though.  Dixon and Parks had different roles, with very different surroundings, with very different defensive attention on their respective teams. 

Lets not kid ourselves, if Dixon played for Hope or Calvin people would be gushing about him as a player a lot more with "All-American" being tossed around. :)




Quote from: mrbasketballfan12 on August 12, 2015, 03:13:50 PM
Trine could wind up beating Hope. SOLID team.

While Brooks Miller has built a solid foundation in Angola and have shown steady improvement the last 3 years.  They lose 3 important players off a team that went only 6 or 7 deep on most nights.  Including losing one of their triangle of scorers Tyler Good.  The Thunder need at least a 3rd scorer and I'm not sure where that comes from, Ben Syroka?  Tarvis Malone?  I love the raw potential of Ellis Cummings as an MIAA player but is he ready to make that big of a leap this year?  After their main players already mentioned things get pretty thin and at least as far as MIAA play is concerned pretty unproven.  Trine's a solid bet these days to be a top 4 league team, but Holmquist and Dixon are going to need some significant help to reach the pinnacle this year.  On paper right now, where that help will come from is pretty unclear.

Trine wins with defense and having to replace nearly half of a defensive system that's been in place for 3 years is worrisome.


Quote from: mrbasketballfan12 on August 12, 2015, 03:13:50 PM
and Kzoo has Hugan and Carson with solid freshman years for a bad team. Along with Whitney, Miller and Dykema.

I have a hard time evaluating Kzoo, mostly because each time I see them Hope just picks them apart like a pack of wild Hyenas leaving alot of unpleasant things lying around the gym floor.  I like their young players and they may very well be improved, but I think you can say that about a number of MIAA teams.


Quote from: mrbasketballfan12 on August 12, 2015, 03:13:50 PM
Adrian Albion and Olivet are all wild cards for me. Nobody knows who will suit up for them

I'll address Albion.  The Britons graduated three key players from last years team, Zach Hurth, Vince Hill and Carter Elliot.  Last year the Britons were fiercely competitive in November/December and then just fell off a cliff when the league rolled around.  Part of their issue last year was the inexperience of two of their guards Robert Ryan and Corey Wheeler.  Wheeler really struggled in league play for an unknown reason after being one of their leading scorers in the non-conference.  When he struggled, Albion really struggled to score.  Albion has holes to fill but this is a team with 5 Sr's who have all been playing varsity since their Fr. year.  They won't be a pushover.



Alma is being undersold here so far.





sac

Since eFG% was thrown around I thought it would be interesting to compare Jordan Brink's Sr. season vs a couple of other Midwest guys who got a lot of hype and recognition throughout their careers.

eFG%
Jordan Brink, Calvin 2015                    60.7%
Kent Raymond,  Wheaton 2009          56.7%
Steve Djurickovic,  Carthage 2011       49.0%
Steve Cramer, Hope 2007                   57.5%


I don't remember all the accolades Jordan walked away with for last season but I'm not sure it was enough.

KnightSlappy

Quote from: sac on August 12, 2015, 05:20:26 PM
Quote from: ziggy on August 12, 2015, 04:26:13 PM
The thing about Will Dixon is that, while a good player, he is a volume shooter so some gaudy numbers have to be put in context.

Austin Parks = 54.1% eFG
Will Dixon = 50.1% eFG

Austin Parks wasn't being asked to shoulder the load on Calvin's team though.  Dixon and Parks had different roles, with very different surroundings, with very different defensive attention on their respective teams. 

Lets not kid ourselves, if Dixon played for Hope or Calvin people would be gushing about him as a player a lot more with "All-American" being tossed around. :)

Quote from: mrbasketballfan12 on August 12, 2015, 03:13:50 PM
Trine could wind up beating Hope. SOLID team.

While Brooks Miller has built a solid foundation in Angola and have shown steady improvement the last 3 years.  They lose 3 important players off a team that went only 6 or 7 deep on most nights.  Including losing one of their triangle of scorers Tyler Good.  The Thunder need at least a 3rd scorer and I'm not sure where that comes from, Ben Syroka?  Tarvis Malone?  I love the raw potential of Ellis Cummings as an MIAA player but is he ready to make that big of a leap this year?  After their main players already mentioned things get pretty thin and at least as far as MIAA play is concerned pretty unproven.  Trine's a solid bet these days to be a top 4 league team, but Holmquist and Dixon are going to need some significant help to reach the pinnacle this year.  On paper right now, where that help will come from is pretty unclear.

Trine wins with defense and having to replace nearly half of a defensive system that's been in place for 3 years is worrisome.


The thing about Dixon for 2015-16, as you allude, is that he'll probably receive even more of the defense's attention now that Dixon is gone. Trine is not going to challenge Calvin and Hope with Dixon and Holmquist as the lone contributors.

As ziggy pointed out, Dixon wasn't good enough last year to score with both (1) quantity and (2) above-average efficiency. I'm not even sure he would be one of the best two guards on Alma's team.

ziggy

Quote from: sac on August 12, 2015, 05:20:26 PM
Quote from: ziggy on August 12, 2015, 04:26:13 PM
The thing about Will Dixon is that, while a good player, he is a volume shooter so some gaudy numbers have to be put in context.

Austin Parks = 54.1% eFG
Will Dixon = 50.1% eFG

Austin Parks wasn't being asked to shoulder the load on Calvin's team though.  Dixon and Parks had different roles, with very different surroundings, with very different defensive attention on their respective teams. 

Lets not kid ourselves, if Dixon played for Hope or Calvin people would be gushing about him as a player a lot more with "All-American" being tossed around. :)


It wasn't meant as a direct comparison. To an extent, every player is a product of his environment.

For Parks, that meant not having to carry as much of an offensive load and facing defenses that had bigger worries. Dixon's environment was one that provided him the opportunity to shoot the ball... a lot. In the words of Jim Rome, "he makes a lot of shots...because he takes a lot of shots..."

ziggy

Quote from: sac on August 12, 2015, 07:42:45 PM
Since eFG% was thrown around I thought it would be interesting to compare Jordan Brink's Sr. season vs a couple of other Midwest guys who got a lot of hype and recognition throughout their careers.

eFG%
Jordan Brink, Calvin 2015                    60.7%
Kent Raymond,  Wheaton 2009          56.7%
Steve Djurickovic,  Carthage 2011       49.0%
Steve Cramer, Hope 2007                   57.5%


I don't remember all the accolades Jordan walked away with for last season but I'm not sure it was enough.

Thanks, I was going to go back and check Brink's eFG but got sidetracked.

I knew Brink had an insanely efficient season so the biggest surprise to me on that list was Cramer's eFG%. I know he had a tremendous season but I wouldn't have expected him to out-eFG Kent Raymond. I'm guessing the athleticism that made him a tremendous finisher at the rim was an area he fared better than others on the list.

I'm not terribly surprised to see Stevie D's number. He was more of a scorer than a shooter and racked up stats on volume.

sac

Quote from: ziggy on August 13, 2015, 12:09:26 AM

I'm not terribly surprised to see Stevie D's number. He was more of a scorer than a shooter and racked up stats on volume.


Djurickovic's career eFG% numbers are a bit weird

Fr.   49.1%
So.  54.3%
Jr.    57.2%
Sr.   49.0%

For whatever reason Djurickovic shot below 30% from the 3 pt line his Fr. and Sr. seasons.  Each season he was putting up about 30% of his teams FG attempts, which is pretty similar to what Dixon is being asked to do at Trine.


Dixon's first two years at Trine have been 50.8% and 50.2% mostly because he's a below 40% 3-point shooter in the average category while all the others we've mentioned were over 40% except the two Djuickovic years I pointed out.  Last year he had two really bad games that are outliers on his career performance where he went 7-34 and 2-11 from 3 against Alma and Calvin on back to back games, his remaining games he grades out at an eFG% of 54%.

Dixon takes 14 FGA's per game, I don't find that excessive or out of the ordinary for a teams best player.  Djurickovic was taking 16 his Sr. year, Raymond 14.1, Brink 11.9 and Cramer 12.0.   Dixon just isn't quite as good from behind the arc as these other guys.

One other thing to think about is minutes played.  Dixon is being asked to play about 5 min more per game vs these other guys (except Djurickovic who rarely came out of games).  He's just going to experience more wear and tear and tired legs than most players.

Anyway, I can't imagine any coach not wanting a player of his ability on their team.....even Alma with their apparent plethora of efficient guard options. ;)


sac

Albion's full schedule is posted
http://www.gobrits.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule


You might notice the Britons play D1 Wright State on Dec 1.  Wright State plays at Kentucky a couple weeks before should we should get a pretty good comparison score with the Britons and Wildcats.

sac

Quote from: sac on August 12, 2015, 07:42:45 PM
Since eFG% was thrown around I thought it would be interesting to compare Jordan Brink's Sr. season vs a couple of other Midwest guys who got a lot of hype and recognition throughout their careers.

eFG%
Jordan Brink, Calvin 2015                    60.7%
Kent Raymond,  Wheaton 2009          56.7%
Steve Djurickovic,  Carthage 2011       49.0%
Steve Cramer, Hope 2007                   57.5%


I don't remember all the accolades Jordan walked away with for last season but I'm not sure it was enough.

Btw I had Cramer's Sr. year wrong.  The above number is his Jr. year, his Sr. year eFG% was 60.0%

HOPEful

Quote from: sac on August 13, 2015, 07:53:33 AM
Btw I had Cramer's Sr. year wrong.  The above number is his Jr. year, his Sr. year eFG% was 60.0%

And he did this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRmMeOkNWQI
Let's go Dutchmen!

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Gregory Sager

Quote from: ziggy on August 13, 2015, 12:09:26 AM
Quote from: sac on August 12, 2015, 07:42:45 PM
Since eFG% was thrown around I thought it would be interesting to compare Jordan Brink's Sr. season vs a couple of other Midwest guys who got a lot of hype and recognition throughout their careers.

eFG%
Jordan Brink, Calvin 2015                    60.7%
Kent Raymond,  Wheaton 2009          56.7%
Steve Djurickovic,  Carthage 2011       49.0%
Steve Cramer, Hope 2007                   57.5%


I don't remember all the accolades Jordan walked away with for last season but I'm not sure it was enough.

Thanks, I was going to go back and check Brink's eFG but got sidetracked.

I knew Brink had an insanely efficient season so the biggest surprise to me on that list was Cramer's eFG%. I know he had a tremendous season but I wouldn't have expected him to out-eFG Kent Raymond. I'm guessing the athleticism that made him a tremendous finisher at the rim was an area he fared better than others on the list.

I'm not terribly surprised to see Stevie D's number. He was more of a scorer than a shooter and racked up stats on volume.

Yes and no. You're forgetting that a big part of Stevie D.'s game was drawing fouls off of the dribble. He shot a ridiculous number of free throws over the course of his career (839-997, .842). Those 839 free-throw makes accounted for nearly a third of the 2,547 points he scored in his four years with the Red Men. Brink, by comparison, went 309-341 (.906) from the free-throw line as a Knight. Made free throws accounted for only about a fifth of his 1,497 career points.

Of course, another big part of Djurickovic's game was his ability to involve his teammates as a distributor. He dished out a phenomenal 649 assists over the course of his career. Brink dished out 282.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

Gregory Sager

Quote from: sac on August 13, 2015, 07:44:37 AM
Albion's full schedule is posted
http://www.gobrits.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule

Albion's opening-round opponent in the Purple and Gold Tournament at Defiance over the holidays isn't listed on that schedule, but it wiill be the host Yellow Jackets. North Park and Baldwin Wallace will meet in the other opening-round game in that tourney.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

HOPEful

#41533
Quote from: ziggy on August 13, 2015, 10:26:25 AM
Best dunk in the history of D3.
This one was pretty epic as well, although it's just as much about the pass as the actual dunk...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMU9Gp3hWTQ

If judging based on entertainment value alone, USA is my all time favorite.
Let's go Dutchmen!

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scottiedawg


NAMEHEIGHTHIGH SCHOOLCOLLEGENOTE
Keyon Rainey5'11Det ConsortiumAdrian
Dylan Bennett6'1BrightonAlbion
Adam Abraham6'7Grand HavenAlma
Trevor Gernaat6'4N Mich ChristianAlma
Scott Maki6'3HollyAlma
Eddie Gillon6'2Kazoo Loy-NorrixAlma
Quinn Tyson6'2Big RapidsAlma
Josh Simms6'0HollyAlma
Andrew Holesinger6'4North Pointe ChristianCalvin
Carlos Amoros5'8WyomingCalvin
Preston Huckaby5'11North Pointe ChristianCalvin
Ben Wolford5'10NewaygoCalvin
Robert McGivney6'6Timothy ChristianHope
Teddy Ray6'5HomesteadHope
Tom Morrison6'4NorthridgeHope
Jeff Goral6'4StaggHope
Pete Smith5'9NorthridgeHope
Demarco Dickerson6'2Detroit LoyolaKalamazoo
Alex Dykema6'1Forest Hills CentralKalamazoo
Travis Veenhuis6'1GoodrichKalamazoo
Mike Ruwoldt5'11Joliet WestKalamazoo
Justin Green5'10Det W ChristianOlivet
Austin Woolet6'5GoshenTrine
Darek Ditto6'4MattawanTrine
Gregory Fleming6'1GRCCLourdes