MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[GreatScot!?]

Anyone know that the technical given to Alma was for? The guys on the livestream unassuringly said it was on Ryan Clark, but didn't elaborate.

The technicals were called on Charlie Goffnet.  He was given a warning as he left the floor at halftime for arguing about a call. The first technical was given because he stood up to argue a call.  Ryan Clark, was the head coach tonight. Only one coach is allowed to speak and stand.  Goffnet should not have been standing side by side with Clark arguing the call.  Goffnet received his second technical when he slammed his notebook on the scorer's table 3 times while disagreeing with a call. The technicals were warranted.

Why Goffnet was upset in the first place was a total mystery to me, as it was to my buddy, a local official who noted the T's were automatic. Since Charlie was not the designated head coach, the rules require that he stay seated and not argue with the ref--which he did quite vociferously. That's two games in a row the Alma coaching staff has seen a staff member tossed. It nearly cost Alma the game but the Scots got bailed out when, in rapid succession, Harvey hit four straight three pointers, followed by a difficult, end-of-the-shot-clock three by Gernaat. That flurry of impressive long-distance shooting finally erased Calvin's double digit lead in a span of four minutes. From there, it was a dogfight and Alma scored on their last possession while the Knights missed. Calvin was a miserable 2-15 from the arc, but that's almost de rigueur this season.

Alma threw in a lot of tough looks in final few minutes. Kudos to the Scots for putting them in on a night when Calvin was particularly bad from the floor.

Harvey's three-point barrage coincided with a stretch where KVS was imploring his offense to have smart possessions. Unfortunately many of the Calvin players thought smart possessions were mid rage pull-up jumpers with 20+ seconds on the shot clock.

Calvin did a good job of going under screens and not allowing penetration in the paint, especially in the 1st half. Alma had plenty of open three's in the first half, but couldn't seem to capitalize. The law of averages allowed them to make some tougher looks in the 2nd half including Harvey going 4-4 in a crucial stretch down the game, after the Alma coaching staff was imploring him to look for his shot more. Alma's D was pretty good holding Calvin to low shooting %'s. Calvin going 2-15 wasn't all Alma's D, but it certainly helped. For once Alma actually got some offensive boards and after the first 7 minutes, turnovers weren't that bad for the Scots, two areas in which they've struggled. Making some shots down the stretch, getting stops and rebounding was the key to victory for the Scots, not to mention Stevens clutch two with 4.8 seconds left to give the Scots a 2 point lead. He's already had two goal ahead FG's in the final few seconds in his young career. Proud of the way the Scots battled w/o their coach and happy to see Alma's longtime assistant coach Ryan Clark get the W!!!

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Co-SIDA All-District Teams

Will Dixon, Trine
Chase Fairchild, Alma
Harrison Blackledge, Hope

[TUAngola]

Co-SIDA All-District Teams

Will Dixon, Trine
Chase Fairchild, Alma
Harrison Blackledge, Hope

Article from Trine athletics website about Will's selection.  Respected basketball player and tremendous student.

http://www.trinethunder.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20170209f3907m

As far as basketball goes Trine needs to find a way to finish games.  Second halves have been their downfall this year, too many games where they have huge scoring droughts.  It's cost them at least 3 wins in the MIAA. 

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former MIAA regular referee Lamont Simpson was right in the middle of the double foul on Swanigan and Bryant in the IU/PU game that fouled out both players.

https://twitter.com/BigTenNetwork/status/829876640326889472

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former MIAA regular referee Lamont Simpson was right in the middle of the double foul on Swanigan and Bryant in the IU/PU game that fouled out both players.

https://twitter.com/BigTenNetwork/status/829876640326889472

Oh no. I was watching that game when it happened and though about jumping on here to joke about the simultaneous block-charge call coming to an MIAA gym near you...

[KnightSlappy]

former MIAA regular referee Lamont Simpson was right in the middle of the double foul on Swanigan and Bryant in the IU/PU game that fouled out both players.

https://twitter.com/BigTenNetwork/status/829876640326889472

Oh no. I was watching that game when it happened and though about jumping on here to joke about the simultaneous block-charge call coming to an MIAA gym near you...

I don't pretend to know the mechanics of refereeing, but it seems to me that the crew chief either needs to vote to break the tie or declare which official owns the call if the two can't agree after a brief discussion.

I'm not sure how a defender can be both in legal guarding position and not in legal guarding position at the time of the contact. 

[Flying Dutch Fan]

former MIAA regular referee Lamont Simpson was right in the middle of the double foul on Swanigan and Bryant in the IU/PU game that fouled out both players.

https://twitter.com/BigTenNetwork/status/829876640326889472

Oh no. I was watching that game when it happened and though about jumping on here to joke about the simultaneous block-charge call coming to an MIAA gym near you...

I don't pretend to know the mechanics of refereeing, but it seems to me that the crew chief either needs to vote to break the tie or declare which official owns the call if the two can't agree after a brief discussion.

I'm not sure how a defender can be both in legal guarding position and not in legal guarding position at the time of the contact. 

Watching it live I thought it was a charge.  Seeing the replays, I would have been fine with a no call.  A double foul was simply a cop out by the officials IMHO. 

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former MIAA regular referee Lamont Simpson was right in the middle of the double foul on Swanigan and Bryant in the IU/PU game that fouled out both players.

https://twitter.com/BigTenNetwork/status/829876640326889472

Oh no. I was watching that game when it happened and though about jumping on here to joke about the simultaneous block-charge call coming to an MIAA gym near you...

I don't pretend to know the mechanics of refereeing, but it seems to me that the crew chief either needs to vote to break the tie or declare which official owns the call if the two can't agree after a brief discussion.

I'm not sure how a defender can be both in legal guarding position and not in legal guarding position at the time of the contact. 

Watching it live I thought it was a charge.  Seeing the replays, I would have been fine with a no call.  A double foul was simply a cop out by the officials IMHO.

I think it was a charge as well. My interpretation is that Swanigan is moving laterally in legal guarding position, Bryant lowers his shoulder and initiates contact, essentially clearing out Swanigan. It looks to me that the official on the baseline who made the block call was screened from seeing that while the official standing in front of the bench had a direct view of the players making contact.

[knights2000]

former MIAA regular referee Lamont Simpson was right in the middle of the double foul on Swanigan and Bryant in the IU/PU game that fouled out both players.

https://twitter.com/BigTenNetwork/status/829876640326889472

Oh no. I was watching that game when it happened and though about jumping on here to joke about the simultaneous block-charge call coming to an MIAA gym near you...

I don't pretend to know the mechanics of refereeing, but it seems to me that the crew chief either needs to vote to break the tie or declare which official owns the call if the two can't agree after a brief discussion.

I'm not sure how a defender can be both in legal guarding position and not in legal guarding position at the time of the contact. 

Watching it live I thought it was a charge.  Seeing the replays, I would have been fine with a no call.  A double foul was simply a cop out by the officials IMHO.

By rule, a double foul is actually the correct call when two officials call a "blarge." One official has the ability to defer to the other if he feels he didn't have a great angle, etc, but if not then it's technically a double foul. Here's a link to the post game explanation.

https://twitter.com/nbairdjc/status/829897424919547904

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former MIAA regular referee Lamont Simpson was right in the middle of the double foul on Swanigan and Bryant in the IU/PU game that fouled out both players.

https://twitter.com/BigTenNetwork/status/829876640326889472

Oh no. I was watching that game when it happened and though about jumping on here to joke about the simultaneous block-charge call coming to an MIAA gym near you...

I don't pretend to know the mechanics of refereeing, but it seems to me that the crew chief either needs to vote to break the tie or declare which official owns the call if the two can't agree after a brief discussion.

I'm not sure how a defender can be both in legal guarding position and not in legal guarding position at the time of the contact. 

I watched it a few times and tried to envision the view both referees had, I think they both had it right for what they could see in their view.  Rare call.  More rare that it fouled out both players which was probably the bigger oddity.



The two overrules in the Hope/Alma game last Saturday came to mind, but in both cases the overruling official makes the claim the defender was in the restricted area.  So I suppose the rule Simpson references doesn't apply.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

former MIAA regular referee Lamont Simpson was right in the middle of the double foul on Swanigan and Bryant in the IU/PU game that fouled out both players.

https://twitter.com/BigTenNetwork/status/829876640326889472

Oh no. I was watching that game when it happened and though about jumping on here to joke about the simultaneous block-charge call coming to an MIAA gym near you...

I don't pretend to know the mechanics of refereeing, but it seems to me that the crew chief either needs to vote to break the tie or declare which official owns the call if the two can't agree after a brief discussion.

I'm not sure how a defender can be both in legal guarding position and not in legal guarding position at the time of the contact. 

I watched it a few times and tried to envision the view both referees had, I think they both had it right for what they could see in their view.  Rare call.  More rare that it fouled out both players which was probably the bigger oddity.



The two overrules in the Hope/Alma game last Saturday came to mind, but in both cases the overruling official makes the claim the defender was in the restricted area.  So I suppose the rule Simpson references doesn't apply.

I have seen this play out a few times and understand the premise. I didn't see this play, but the idea is that the defending player has committed a blocking foul (or any foul) by definition. Let's say he isn't really in position first or feet planted (though as described earlier, laterally moving and not having feet set is allowable; people forget that). However, the offensive player also did something that is considered a foul like lowering his shoulder or pushing off the defender. While the defender may be committing a foul, that doesn't excuse the offensive player from committing a foul as well. If the offensive player is simply going up, not lowering a shoulder, pushing off, etc., than it is a defensive block. If the defensive player is in position and the offensive player commits the foul, we know it is a charge... but I have seen situations where the defensive player is committing a blocking foul as the offensive player lowers his shoulder into the defender (even seen the push off). In those cases, it absolutely should be a double-foul. It isn't a cop-out, in my opinion, because it is a rare occasion when both players are committing fouls at the same time.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Looking at our results thus far in the league, I find it rather interesting that through 44 games, 22 have been won by the home team, and 22 by the visiting team.  Last year through 44 games, the home team had won 27, and the visitors 17 (final count for last season was 35 home, 21 visitors).  Home court not as much an advantage this year?

[TUAngola]

Trine 81 Alma 66

Story of the game....no T's! 

Ok, so that wasn't the story of the game.  Solid performance by Trine.  Too many Alma turnovers and not enough interior play for Alma led to their loss.  Came away impressed with Laketa, the guy can shoot, quiet first half but was on fire the second.  Gernaat never got going, he lit us up last year in Alma's game here.

Trine led by big first half for Dodson, then in second Dixon and Copeland took over.  Copeland is so efficient in the limited minutes he can play.  No second half swoon by the Thunder this time.

Trine:  Dodson 24, Dixon 22, Copeland 20
Alma:  Laketa 19, Long 13, Lamoreaux 12

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TU Angola hits all the major points on the Alma/Trine game, but I think he's underselling just how good Trine was today.  An underrated defensive effort, I was very impressed with the Thunder.



Albion 86  Olivet 81

Pretty crazy one at Cutler.  Olivet led by as many as 18 before Albion mounted a terrific 10 minute rally with their season on the line.  A case of one team that stops making shots while the other one just gets hot. 

A few highlights:

---double technical foul on Albion bench at the 14:54, I understand both were on Michael Thomas who was asked to leave.  The subsequent FT's made the high margin of 18 points.  **** I'm hoping to get a better explanation for this on Sunday, some confusion about whether this was actually a double tech****

---the now customary and standard Steve Ernst warning.

---We had a foul on a rebound that everyone thought was on Albion, we nearly had everyone at the Olivet end of the floor ready to shoot ft's before Randy Hutton overruled the call and we trudged back the other way for Albion's ft's.  That brought the margin down to 7 instead of maybe extending to 11.  Strange.

---on the next trip down for Albion they had a 4 point possession which took the game from 7 point deficit to just 3

---leading by 4 and 6 seconds left the Britons foul on a 3-point attempt that nearly went in for Olivet.
    ---the following FT went two makes before intentional miss which missed the rim.

---with 1.6 seconds left Albion just needs to in-bound the ball, Robert Ryan completely runs over and through his man with no call at all from the officials.
--- an incensed and understandably so Olivet bench is charged with a technical foul, though I was told after it was for calling a timeout when they had none, presumably to call timeout to yell at the officials.

Great comeback for Albion who keep their hopes alive with this win.  They were dead in the water with 14 minutes to play.


That's three straight game days now with a coaches ejection, and 2 different assistants being ejected.  Before this year I can't remember even one.
The MIAA commissioner took in both game at Trine and Olivet.    That probably is not a coincidence.

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Remaining games:
12-0  Hope  (Kzoo, Calvin)   MIAA Champion, semi-final host

8-4  Calvin  (@Adrian, @Hope)
7-5  Alma    (Albion, Olivet)
7-5  Trine    (Olivet, @Albion)
6-6  Albion  (@Alma, Trine)
5-7  Olivet   (@Trine, @Alma)   ----not eliminated, but pretty much so

2-10  Kzoo     (@Hope, Adrian)   ---eliminated
1-11  Adrian  (Calvin, @Kzoo)  ---eliminated

I can't remember if the play-in game still exists, that affects the potential for teams to finish in certain spots.

I'm not able to get Olivet into any better than a 7-7 tie with 3 teams,  tie-breaks would depend on next weeks results, so not dead yet.

You can still get 4 teams tied at 8-6.  Pretty certain Calvin would be the top team in any tie-break scenario at 8-6, I think they've clinched a spot.