MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Stinger]

Was Stuive called for an inbounds violation, or did a Hanover defender deflect the inbounds pass back at him while he was out of bounds? It was impossible to tell from the live feed, and the replay kept cutting off before the play actually happened. The PBP guy never did make the call, other than to say that Stuive had turned it over.

It looked to me that the ref called that Stuive hadn't established  himself inbounds when he caught the deflected ball.  It was definitely close.   

[almcguirejr]

Was Stuive called for an inbounds violation, or did a Hanover defender deflect the inbounds pass back at him while he was out of bounds? It was impossible to tell from the live feed, and the replay kept cutting off before the play actually happened. The PBP guy never did make the call, other than to say that Stuive had turned it over.

It looked to me that the ref called that Stuive hadn't established  himself inbounds when he caught the deflected ball.  It was definitely close.

Stinger is correct. I was at the game. I thought it was the right call. There were many questionable calls both ways tonight. 

[Gregory Sager]

There were many questionable calls both ways tonight.

Yeah, there were two glaringly terrible calls that I saw in the second half. One was a foul called on Muchmore when he went up to block a dunk attempt by Stuive, and the replay confirmed that it was a clean block. (Even the Hope broadcasters called it a bad call.) The other was when Hanover's Colin Smith stopped his dribble, slid, and then started dribbling again. He could've been called for either a travel or a double-dribble ... and he wasn't called for either one.

[pointlem]

Was Stuive called for an inbounds violation, or did a Hanover defender deflect the inbounds pass back at him while he was out of bounds? It was impossible to tell from the live feed, and the replay kept cutting off before the play actually happened. The PBP guy never did make the call, other than to say that Stuive had turned it over.

The inbounds defender hit it back to him (hence the .7 seconds off the clock).

Is basketball exciting or what? I assumed Hanover's game-ending luck was about to run out, but kudos to them. Who would have imagined that they would score 4 points in 3 seconds after fighting for a rebound on what looked like a game-ending miss.

An interesting point of strategy when Hope had the prior offensive possession . . . calmly running down the clock to under 30 seconds before shooting, thus leaving themselves without a reasonable final possession.

A hard loss to swallow. Thus it may be too soon to extend congratulations, but given the talent lost to graduation last season, if you'd told me that Hope would win their league and then make a tournament run on their home court, with some spectacular shooting (including 40 to 42% season 3-point shooting from four starters) . . . I would have taken this. Kudos to the seniors, including Mitchell O'Brien whose 5 steals tonight brought him to 60 for the season . . . for giving us us four years of athleticism and upstanding character.

Now we start looking ahead to Dante's leading a new crop of recruits and of returnees who will have their chance to step up. And what a year Dante has had. After last year averaging 8 ppg and making but 16 3-point shots (on 27% shooting), this year his more muscular self averaged 17 ppg while making 51 3-point shots (41%) . . . and again being fearless in streaking to the basket. What a great combo he and Harrison were. Dante will surely be a candidate for preseason all-American in 2017-2018.

[AlwaysHope]

I thought the same thing as pointlem at the time - why not try to get an open shot before 30 seconds remain.  Instead we casually took time off the clock.

At the end of the game we only had five fouls.  I was surprised when, was it McKinney, drove from the corner and missed the shot with 4 seconds left.  Why not use foul # 6 to foul him on the drive before the shot, force them to take the ball out of bounds with something like 6 seconds left and start their offense over?

Easy to second guess...

[sac]

I can't think of too many tougher ways to lose a game than that one.  Congrats to Hanover on a really well played 2nd half.  They made a lot of the breaks they received themselves and they needed all of them to even have a chance. 

Hope is due some major karma someday, I hope I'm around to see it. 

[sac]

I don't know how long the video will remain up  but at 1:45:17 is the beginning of the sequence of the just horrible no call on the take your pick double-dribble or traveling, the explanation of tipped ball from the referee is even worse than the actual no call.   Replay from court level at the subsequent timeout a possession later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-Z6QBPWfJM

Sweet 16 level officials have to get that right, its atrocious as a basketball fan.


at 1:40:22 is the sequence with the great block by Muchmore on Cody Stuive's drive from the right wing.  I don't see what's being called a foul here as the ref is directing Hanover's coach back into his box and the replay screen cuts in before the ref makes the signal to the scoring table.



at 46:42  of the first half,  Coach Mitchell was pretty upset at this call and from way across DeVos I could read his lips about Harrison being the primary defender and the half circle shouldn't matter.  I think he's probably right but I don't know this one well enough.  Harrison is definitely not a secondary defender.

http://www.ncaawbb.arbitersports.com/Groups/104884/Library/files/Restricted_Area%20Info_final.pdf



EDIT   It appears the video link goes dark at 4am, these were the 3 calls that really stood out to me

[sac]

Lastly Hanover drew up a great play for the winning shot.

After watching it 3 or 4 times, it should work every time

[almcguirejr]

I don't know how long the video will remain up  but at 1:45:17 is the beginning of the sequence of the just horrible no call on the take your pick double-dribble or traveling, the explanation of tipped ball from the referee is even worse than the actual no call.   Replay from court level at the subsequent timeout a possession later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-Z6QBPWfJM

Sweet 16 level officials have to get that right, its atrocious as a basketball fan.


at 1:40:22 is the sequence with the great block by Muchmore on Cody Stuive's drive from the right wing.  I don't see what's being called a foul here as the ref is directing Hanover's coach back into his box and the replay screen cuts in before the ref makes the signal to the scoring table.



at 46:42  of the first half,  Coach Mitchell was pretty upset at this call and from way across DeVos I could read his lips about Harrison being the primary defender and the half circle shouldn't matter.  I think he's probably right but I don't know this one well enough.  Harrison is definitely not a secondary defender.

http://www.ncaawbb.arbitersports.com/Groups/104884/Library/files/Restricted_Area%20Info_final.pdf



EDIT   It appears the video link goes dark at 4am, these were the 3 calls that really stood out to me

- The video is working as of 7 am.

- Dante Hawkins should be on a DIII All-American team. 

- Hope's defense the last 5 minutes of the game wasn't good. Hanover consistently got to the basket for layups.  Hanover scored 16 points in this time frame.

- Stuive, after going for 37 last game, struggled.   3 fga all night. 

[pointlem]

Musings on Sport and Life

The morning after a disappointing defeat prompts reflections on the parallels between sport and life. As stage theatre reenacts the dramas of everyday life, so the sports arena offers a microcosm of life itself.

Identity. As social animals, we live in groups, cheer on our groups, sacrifice for our groups. Our groups help define who we are, and who we are not. Our ancestors, knowing that there was sustenance and safety in solidarity, divided the world into "us" and "them," reserving their most intense rivalry for those "others" closest at hand. As Freud observed, "Of two neighboring towns, each is the other's most jealous rival." The pleasures and passions of sport express our group identities.

Grit. Disciplined effort + a belief in one's possibilities = excellence. Whether a point guard or a pianist, preparation seasoned with inspiration prepares one for the big stage moment. Persist in striving for excellence, without being derailed by setbacks, and we may achieve great things.

Mistakes. Yet no matter the effort and the excellence, mistakes will happen. No one—no athlete, no referee, no business person—is perfect. Our aim in life can never be flawlessness, but rather having our good judgments vastly exceed our missteps.

Chance. After thousands of hours of preparation, a single shot that rattles in or out, a rebound that caroms to one's teammate or the opponent, proves decisive. And so in life. Two intersecting cars meet at the same freakish moment and a life is snuffed. Two people cross paths, and a lifelong partnership forms.

Possibilities. In sport and in life, the possibility of a bad outcome makes a good outcome more gratifying. The darkness of night defines the light of day. Experiencing sickness helps us appreciate health. The pain of separation enables the joy of reunion. There is little pleasure in good endings apart from the ever-present possibility of the bad.

Death. Seniors on 63 of 64 teams entering the NCAA basketball tournaments will find their sporting lives ending in defeat, the death of their dreams. And so in life, which always ends in death.

Hope. Even so, many of us live with hope that on death's other side is a new beginning. For the returning athletes and their fans there is next year. And for the senior athletes, there is a developed capacity for self-discipline and teamwork that—applied to new life goals—will take them to new and bigger life successes.

[MaroonKnighty]

Is the game at DeVos sold out tonight?  I'd like to go. What's the best way to get tickets?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Is the game at DeVos sold out tonight?  I'd like to go. What's the best way to get tickets?

Find a Hope fan.  I'm sure there are plenty of tickets for sale.

[almcguirejr]

Is the game at DeVos sold out tonight?  I'd like to go. What's the best way to get tickets?

Show up and go to the ticket window. Parking will be plentiful. There will be less than a 1000 people there tonight.  Last night was not sold out.

Last night as I approached the ticket window, a Hope fan stopped me asked if I needed tickets. I said, "2". She handed me 2, I got my wallet out to pay, she said I could have them.  I thanked her and then she said " I hope you're cheering for Hope". I said "We're Calvin fans"!  Her look of disgust was priceless.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Is the game at DeVos sold out tonight?  I'd like to go. What's the best way to get tickets?

Show up and go to the ticket window. Parking will be plentiful. There will be less than a 1000 people there tonight.  Last night was not sold out.

Last night as I approached the ticket window, a Hope fan stopped me asked if I needed tickets. I said, "2". She handed me 2, I got my wallet out to pay, she said I could have them.  I thanked her and then she said " I hope you're cheering for Hope". I said "We're Calvin fans"!  Her look of disgust was priceless.

Now THAT was a moment I would have loved to have watched. You know she will never give away tickets ever again... without first asking if someone is a Calvin fan.

[sac]

There really isn't much I can do when the trolls are supported and encouraged by management.  Sorry guys.