MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

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Few more recruits

Max Birmingham 5-9 G  Temperance-Bedford - Adrian
James McFolley, 6-3 G  Detroit University Prep - Adrian
Tyler Davis  6-3 G/F  West Bloomfield - Adrian
Jay Kirby  6-0 G  Farmington-- - Adrian
Jordan Harris 6-1 G  Indianapolis Lighthouse - Adrian

Jack Smith 6-3 G, Ann Arbor Huron - Kalamazoo
Jarnard Smith, 6-2 G, Detroit Douglas - Kalamazoo

[KnightSlappy]

Calvin schedule for 2017-18 is up:

http://calvinknights.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule

Among the highlights:

At Augustana and IWU on back-to-back nights. Maybe that will be a lowlight.

A home game against Martin Luther on December 1. Can't ever remember playing that school but with this year being the 500th anniversary of the Reformation, maybe it's one way to settle the debate over consubstantiation .

Games at Whitworth and Puget Sound.

I plugged in Calvin's 2017-18 schedule in my spreadsheet and came up with a .529 SOS based on last year's results. The 2016-17 schedule gave them a .514 SOS.

The problem with playing a schedule that's heavy in CCIW and WIAC opponents is that their raw win totals are typically lower than you'd expect given the general quality of the teams. You don't get the SOS boost you deserve given how difficult the game is to win.

[HopeKnight]

Does anyone have any new insight on the Beckman brothers - Jason & Danny? Where do they plan on playing next year 2017-18?

he is staying at hope

So Jason is staying at Hope - what about his brother Danny who was at IMG prep school?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Calvin schedule for 2017-18 is up:

http://calvinknights.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule

Among the highlights:

At Augustana and IWU on back-to-back nights. Maybe that will be a lowlight.

A home game against Martin Luther on December 1. Can't ever remember playing that school but with this year being the 500th anniversary of the Reformation, maybe it's one way to settle the debate over consubstantiation .

Games at Whitworth and Puget Sound.

I plugged in Calvin's 2017-18 schedule in my spreadsheet and came up with a .529 SOS based on last year's results. The 2016-17 schedule gave them a .514 SOS.

The problem with playing a schedule that's heavy in CCIW and WIAC opponents is that their raw win totals are typically lower than you'd expect given the general quality of the teams. You don't get the SOS boost you deserve given how difficult the game is to win.

True to a point... as you know, those results could actually improve next season for a number of schools. Also, the vRRO and common opponent criteria will have a significant boost. BTW, wouldn't your SOS be slightly off since you have to take a game off of everyone's schedule that would have been played against Calvin? That seems to me could make a difference in the number.

[northb]

Calvin schedule for 2017-18 is up:

http://calvinknights.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule

Among the highlights:

At Augustana and IWU on back-to-back nights. Maybe that will be a lowlight.

A home game against Martin Luther on December 1. Can't ever remember playing that school but with this year being the 500th anniversary of the Reformation, maybe it's one way to settle the debate over consubstantiation .

Games at Whitworth and Puget Sound.

I plugged in Calvin's 2017-18 schedule in my spreadsheet and came up with a .529 SOS based on last year's results. The 2016-17 schedule gave them a .514 SOS.

The problem with playing a schedule that's heavy in CCIW and WIAC opponents is that their raw win totals are typically lower than you'd expect given the general quality of the teams. You don't get the SOS boost you deserve given how difficult the game is to win.

True to a point... as you know, those results could actually improve next season for a number of schools. Also, the vRRO and common opponent criteria will have a significant boost. BTW, wouldn't your SOS be slightly off since you have to take a game off of everyone's schedule that would have been played against Calvin? That seems to me could make a difference in the number.

Why would you take that off?  If they had played a team with the same credentials last year instead of Calvin, with the same outcome, you would not take that out of the analysis.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Calvin schedule for 2017-18 is up:

http://calvinknights.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule

Among the highlights:

At Augustana and IWU on back-to-back nights. Maybe that will be a lowlight.

A home game against Martin Luther on December 1. Can't ever remember playing that school but with this year being the 500th anniversary of the Reformation, maybe it's one way to settle the debate over consubstantiation .

Games at Whitworth and Puget Sound.

I plugged in Calvin's 2017-18 schedule in my spreadsheet and came up with a .529 SOS based on last year's results. The 2016-17 schedule gave them a .514 SOS.

The problem with playing a schedule that's heavy in CCIW and WIAC opponents is that their raw win totals are typically lower than you'd expect given the general quality of the teams. You don't get the SOS boost you deserve given how difficult the game is to win.

True to a point... as you know, those results could actually improve next season for a number of schools. Also, the vRRO and common opponent criteria will have a significant boost. BTW, wouldn't your SOS be slightly off since you have to take a game off of everyone's schedule that would have been played against Calvin? That seems to me could make a difference in the number.

Why would you take that off?  If they had played a team with the same credentials last year instead of Calvin, with the same outcome, you would not take that out of the analysis.

I am going to step into the deep end if I am not careful and my head isn't there, but as I understand the SOS... Calvin's game against an opponent is not equated. So their SOS is not affected (going down) because they beat a team (they have a, now, worse WL%). Thus, when looking at last year's opponents records, you have to figure Calvin into the mix of 24, 25, 26 or how many games and remove that game when equating Calvin's SOS. You can't just go on their SOS of last year without removing a game from each team. That would then affect WL% because you also have to assume whether it would be a win or a loss for Calvin.

I may not be doing a good job describing this... I admit. Even my brain is blowing fuses. LOL

[ziggy]

I think this particular SOS discussion is being taken beyond the intended scope of the original post. I took it simply to be an estimation to point out that the likely SOS would be higher, but not as substantially higher as some might expect.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I think this particular SOS discussion is being taken beyond the intended scope of the original post. I took it simply to be an estimation to point out that the likely SOS would be higher, but not as substantially higher as some might expect.

I understand that... I agree... I just think it might be a bit higher, potentially, then the numbers indicate as well.

[KnightSlappy]

I realize now I erred in my original post.

The .529 would be before any conference tournament games.

The  .514 last year was after the MIAA Tournament. Calvin was .498 last year if you remove the tournament games vs. Trine and at Hope. So the schedule does improve considerably.

Ziggy is right that this is just a shorthand estimate. I think both Dave and northb both make correct points, though. The whole calculus would change by removing Calvin, but we could sort of assume they played a team similar in quality.

I think the MIAA will be better overall which would also boost SOS.

[Gregory Sager]

That's a nice all-purpose gif you've got there, sac. I'm filing it away for future use. It'll come in handy on these boards.

[ziggy]

I realize now I erred in my original post.

The .529 would be before any conference tournament games.

The  .514 last year was after the MIAA Tournament. Calvin was .498 last year if you remove the tournament games vs. Trine and at Hope. So the schedule does improve considerably.

Ziggy is right that this is just a shorthand estimate. I think both Dave and northb both make correct points, though. The whole calculus would change by removing Calvin, but we could sort of assume they played a team similar in quality.

I think the MIAA will be better overall which would also boost SOS.

Playing four CCIW teams will also keep things kind of tethered for Calvin's SOS. That means eight games of one opponent getting a guaranteed win with another getting a guaranteed loss when CCIW moves into conference play.

[HOPEful]

[TUAngola]

From twitter, Trine is playing exhibition game against Univ of Toledo on Nov 4.  Return to home for Trine players Ellis Cummings and Myles Copeland.

Some old news, both MBB Coach Brooks Miller and WBB Coach Ryan Gould have agreed to 5 yr extensions on their contracts at Trine. 

[sac]

One thing I noticed with Hope's SOS being so heavily tied to one conference like the WIAC last year (Hope played 4 of their 8 teams) is its worth playing a number of teams from a strong conference because your OOWP component ends up being so high.  Typically your "SOS" sinks after Jan 1., it seems to sink less when you have teams from strong SOS conferences on your schedule. 

Hope got a touch lucky that Stout was a better program in 2017 than 2016, but they got what they needed in SOS quality from Stevens Point, LaCrosse and River Falls particularly on the OOWP side of things.

I'm sure it would be much different if they played, say half the HCAC.  I think the key is strong conference, which the CCIW certainly is.