MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

per the SBell and the twitter verse

Trevor Manuel  6-8 F/C   Lansing Sexton--Oak Hill Academy--Lansing Everett--Oregon--Loyola Marymount will attend Olivet.


By my estimation the highest rated recruit to ever attend a D3 school in the rankings era.   https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2015/trevor-manuel-7292


Going to be interesting.

How much is Olivet paying him?

Probably nothing, but I'm sure he'll be called a thug when he bumps into one of your blonde haired kids.

[northb]

per the SBell and the twitter verse

Trevor Manuel  6-8 F/C   Lansing Sexton--Oak Hill Academy--Lansing Everett--Oregon--Loyola Marymount will attend Olivet.


By my estimation the highest rated recruit to ever attend a D3 school in the rankings era.   https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2015/trevor-manuel-7292


Going to be interesting.

How much is Olivet paying him?

Wow!

[northb]

per the SBell and the twitter verse

Trevor Manuel  6-8 F/C   Lansing Sexton--Oak Hill Academy--Lansing Everett--Oregon--Loyola Marymount will attend Olivet.


By my estimation the highest rated recruit to ever attend a D3 school in the rankings era.   https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2015/trevor-manuel-7292


Going to be interesting.

How much is Olivet paying him?

Probably nothing, but I'm sure he'll be called a thug when he bumps into one of your blonde haired kids.

Double Wow!

[northb]

Where does this put Olivet in terms of the MIAA race? I'm aware that it still is extremely hard to project at this point

Completely unprecedented, so who knows?! I realize that it's subjective, but I can't think of another case where a better (recruit ranking) player transferred to a worse team (coming off a 9-16 season and losing 6 of their top 7 scorers). All that being said, LeBron has shown how 1 transcendent player can take a team from bad/mediocre to elite.

Would folks consider Steve Honderd as having been a legitimate D-1 caliber player?

[HOPEful]

Where does this put Olivet in terms of the MIAA race? I'm aware that it still is extremely hard to project at this point

Completely unprecedented, so who knows?! I realize that it's subjective, but I can't think of another case where a better (recruit ranking) player transferred to a worse team (coming off a 9-16 season and losing 6 of their top 7 scorers). All that being said, LeBron has shown how 1 transcendent player can take a team from bad/mediocre to elite.

Would folks consider Steve Honderd as having been a legitimate D-1 caliber player?

I'm not old enough to answer this question, but common belief seems to be that he was. Regardless, he joined a knights team that hadn't had a losing season since 1985 and had won a playoff game the year before he arrived. He also had the opportunity to play with Bill Sall, reigning MIAA co-MVP. Olivet's best returning player is Thomas Tsalkitzis, a sophomore last year who averaged 8.2 points a game.

Not to say that Manuel will have to do it alone, because as sac pointed out, Manuel could very much start alongside at least one other transfer (Edmond) and two freshmen. Interesting? Exciting?
Unprecedented? Worry-some for opponents lacking size?...

Yes.

[sac]

As I recall Honderd held at least one D1 offer to Central Michigan.   Rankings of players are not as readily available from back then but I don't believe Honderd was a top 100 high school player.

Maybe I'm putting words in HOPEful's mouth but pretty sure by unprecedented he means top 100 player.  To my knowledge there hasn't been one who attended a D3 school.

James Bradley who transferred from Ohio State to Otterbein in 1991 is the only other instance of this caliber I can think of.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Where does this put Olivet in terms of the MIAA race? I'm aware that it still is extremely hard to project at this point

Completely unprecedented, so who knows?! I realize that it's subjective, but I can't think of another case where a better (recruit ranking) player transferred to a worst team (coming off a 9-16 season and losing 6 of their top 7 scorers). All that being said, LeBron has shown how 1 transcendent player can take a team from bad/mediocre to elite.

*patiently awaiting news of Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love transferring to Olivet*

Don't know about Love, but ESPN just announced today that Irving has asked to be traded!

[arena]

per the SBell and the twitter verse

Trevor Manuel  6-8 F/C   Lansing Sexton--Oak Hill Academy--Lansing Everett--Oregon--Loyola Marymount will attend Olivet.


By my estimation the highest rated recruit to ever attend a D3 school in the rankings era.   https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2015/trevor-manuel-7292


Going to be interesting.

How much is Olivet paying him?

Wow!

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Wow?  Don't think it's possible?  I wouldn't be surprised if all MIAA schools have creative ways of paying, err, reducing tuition for some. Look at Kalamazoo before you dismiss the question out of hand.

[arena]

per the SBell and the twitter verse

Trevor Manuel  6-8 F/C   Lansing Sexton--Oak Hill Academy--Lansing Everett--Oregon--Loyola Marymount will attend Olivet.


By my estimation the highest rated recruit to ever attend a D3 school in the rankings era.   https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2015/trevor-manuel-7292


Going to be interesting.

How much is Olivet paying him?

Probably nothing, but I'm sure he'll be called a thug when he bumps into one of your blonde haired kids.

How many D1 transfers has Hope had over the years?  Maybe that's why you reacted defensively.

[sac]

No I reacted that way because it was a traditionally asinine comment, it deserved one back.

[arena]

No I reacted that way because it was a traditionally asinine comment, it deserved one back.

Asinine?  Really?   I'll admit yours was. Just surprised you weren't pompous enough to recognize that. Now, you may say that the chances are low that the man is being paid, but it is not beyond the realm of possibility of being true. So, it really isn't asinine to ask the question.

I'll ask again, I wonder how much he is being paid to attend and play for Olivrt?

[hopefan]

Darn, can't repeat a karma reward for 24 hours!!!!   

[Fifth and Putnam]

No I reacted that way because it was a traditionally asinine comment, it deserved one back.

Asinine?  Really?   I'll admit yours was. Just surprised you weren't pompous enough to recognize that. Now, you may say that the chances are low that the man is being paid, but it is not beyond the realm of possibility of being true. So, it really isn't asinine to ask the question.

I'll ask again, I wonder how much he is being paid to attend and play for Olivrt?

I'll guess none. What do you think?

[sac]

I'm sure Manuel has a financial aide package of some kind just like most D3 student athletes.  I do not know if he took advantage of Olivet's commuter program which discounts tuition even more to students within I think a 45 minute radius of Olivet.  I haven't heard much about that program lately so maybe the college eliminated it.  The average aide to Olivet students is  around $20,000 with about 97% of students receiving some kind of aide.  Being from the area I have heard of some students receiving much higher and much lower aide packages.  Decent odds Manuel is one of them receiving one of them.

I guess it comes down to your semantics, do you consider a student athlete getting a better financial aide package at one school over another as being paid.  If so you should consider the highly prized recruit on Calvin's roster who received a rather substantially higher aide package to attend Calvin over Hope.  I don't consider him being "paid" to attend Calvin but maybe others do.


Until proven otherwise I consider D3 schools to be following the rules and guidelines set before them.   You site Kalamazoo but I'm not sure that's a case of Kalamazoo "cheating" or "paying players" as much as it was simply not following the rules in front of them with regard to financial aide packages either willfully or through ignorance.  They certainly weren't doing it to pack the trophy cabinets.

[oldknight]

I think we can be supremely confident that Olivet College is not "paying" any athlete to attend its school. The institution's financial condition has been precarious for some time and it got off the Department of Education's watch list only two years ago:

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/04/08/olivet-federal-watch-list/25460483/

At just under $15 million, Olivet has a miserably low endowment (which is actually double what it was in 2010), by far the lowest of any MIAA school. By contrast, Kalamazoo's endowment fund leads conference schools with $222 million and Hope is second at $203 million.