MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

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the final Kzoo shot from the twitterverse
https://twitter.com/MikeWWMT/status/953813776561680384

and opposite side of court from the twitterverse
https://twitter.com/khornets/status/953819571668086786

I paused it a couple times, its pretty tight.  You'd need a closer camera and better control of pause/fwd/rw to really tell.

[Mr. Ypsi]

So much happened after crossing midcourt, I think that debate is irrelevant.  I'm not positive about the tip-in itself.  I've now watched the video six times; 3 times I thought he was in time, 3 times I thought the ball didn't leave his hand until after the buzzer.  WOW was that a close call!

[sac]

Olivet 65  Adrian 62

Great game down in Adrian tonight.  Think this one was played within 5 points almost all night, largest lead maybe 8 for Adrian at one point early second half.  Tough, defensive basketball.   So many key moments:

1.  Tracy Edmond had a terrific first half, with some better finishing and getting a couple more 3's to drop he was on his way to a 25 point half.
2.  Olivet went on a little run to lead 27-22 when Adrian coach Lindsay called a to and absolutely laid into his team on the sideline screaming loud enough I could hear him over the band.
3.  Adrian went on an 11-0 run over the next 3 min before Olivet closed out the half with 5 straight, it was 33-32 Adrian
4.  Adrian started the second half strong went up by 8
5.  Maybe biggest possession of the game for Olivet coming up with 3 offensive rebounds before finally getting a 3 to cut the lead back to 5
6.  Sam Colbert picked up his 4th foul on one of those "being a man" plays fouling Jalen Adams to prevent a fast break layup.   In hindsight I think Adrian would gladly give the two points up and have Sam on the floor with 3 fouls.  The score went from 47-42 and momentum to 52-51 and no momentum while he sat for 5 minutes. 
7.  Olivet steal at midcourt by Jalen Adams was followed with a nice toss off the glass by Edmond for the huge dunk, momentum and belief seemed to swing a little there.  That tied the game at 57 all

I'd highly encourage reading the Play-by-play of the final 5 minutes  http://www.adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-baskbl/2017-18/boxscores/20180117_rlg3.xml?view=plays     ........which included a charge reversal to a block, a charge, some key missed freethrows, some huge rebounding and one really great drive to the bucket reverse layup by Jalen Adams to seal the win.

Olivet beat Adrian at its own game with good defense and superior rebounding.  I would bet the Bulldogs haven't been outrebounded like that much this year.
Great game, fun to watch.

[sac]

Hope 99  Alma 88

Jason Beckman with 41

[CK150408]

So much happened after crossing midcourt, I think that debate is irrelevant.

Couldn't agree more. Watching back that last play, I felt like three Calvin defenders found themselves out of position to help for a potential crucial rebound. No one was able to challenge for a rebound or the put back and ultimately that cost the Knight's.

[knights2000]

Looks to me like the clock and backboard are not synced at Kalamazoo. The shot was in his hand when the backboard light went off, but there was still 0.1 remaining on the clock. When the clock goes to 0.0, the ball is out of his hand. The clock is obviously official so I'd say the shot counts, but who knows. Wild finish.

[Fifth and Putnam]

the final Kzoo shot from the twitterverse
https://twitter.com/MikeWWMT/status/953813776561680384

and opposite side of court from the twitterverse
https://twitter.com/khornets/status/953819571668086786

I paused it a couple times, its pretty tight.  You'd need a closer camera and better control of pause/fwd/rw to really tell.

Going frame by frame on that first video. The ball is still in his hand as the backboard lit up...however, the scoreboard still had .1 seconds on it. As the clock hit 0.0 the ball was out of his hand. Either way, we're talking milliseconds here. Not sure what the official ruling is on using the backboard or scoreboard as the official timekeeper in these situations (shouldn't they sync?)

[maroonandgold]

Looks to me like the clock and backboard are not synced at Kalamazoo. The shot was in his hand when the backboard light went off, but there was still 0.1 remaining on the clock. When the clock goes to 0.0, the ball is out of his hand. The clock is obviously official so I'd say the shot counts, but who knows. Wild finish.

That explains a lot to me.  I was looking at the shot with the light around the backboard showing apparently that the game was over, and the ball was still in the players hand.  So I was puzzled that there was no argument and everyone seemed to accept the call.  You are right that the clock is official.

[pointlem]

It's time. For w Calvin coach to go. Away.

So, if the Kazoo game-winning shot had been ruled late, according to the backboard light (and the refs had eyes calibrated to the millisecond) coach VS could stay? 

[KnightSlappy]

Just one of those frustrating games for Calvin who dominated the glass, turned the ball over half as many times, and went 17-18 from the line. The difference was shooting, and particularly from range where Calvin went 6-28 (21%) while Kalamazoo was 11-21 (52%).

[Fifth and Putnam]

The consensus I have heard is that the backboard is the official time and the clock is allowed to be off by .1 second. Calvin fans may have a reason to feel hard done if that's the case, though I understand a referee having a hard time getting something like that right when it's THAT close. I also feel Calvin fans will feel that the game should have never been allowed to be decided on something like that.

[KnightSlappy]

The rulebook is not entirely clear, but here's the relevant section:

Section 7. Periods—Beginning and End
Art. 2. Each period shall end when the red light or LED lights have become
activated. When the light fails to operate or is not visible or is not present,
each period shall end with the sounding of the game-clock horn.
a.   In games with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and where an
official courtside monitor is used, the reading of zeros on the game clock
is to be used to determine whether a try for goal occurred before or
after the expiration of time in any period. When the game clock is not
visible, the officials shall verify the original call with the use of the red/
LED light(s). When the red/LED light(s) are not visible, the sounding
of the game-clock horn shall be used. When definitive information is
unattainable with the use of the monitor, the original call stands.

Officials on the court are to go by the red backboard lights (as it's easier for them to see while still watching play).

BUT, if the game is using an official monitor with replay capability, they are to watch the replay while looking at the game clock if the camera angle allows.

In this case, the correct call on the floor would have been no basket. Then, if replay were available, the correct call would have been to change it to count the basket. (Replay was not available for this game.)

So, my conclusion is that the officials made the correct call by making an incorrect call!

[Stinger]

In this case, the correct call on the floor would have been no basket. Then, if replay were available, the correct call would have been to change it to count the basket. (Replay was not available for this game.)

So, my conclusion is that the officials made the correct call by making an incorrect call!

I was watching from home and was expecting a replay, immediately thinking back to the 2001 Olivet game at the Rolla Dome and Kevin Baird's (eventual) winning jumper.   I'd say Hornets are fortunate not to have a replay system. 

[oldknight]

Old knight you are wrong, the video is up kzoo site, canonie acted like he was guarding the pg, but he went with the scorer, amoros didn't put any pressure on the ball until it was past half court.  It is very easy to see on the video.

Depends on what you mean by "pick up the pg" because if you mean by that comment that Calvin should be "dogging the ball-handler up-and-down the court" then your comment is accurate. By "pick up the pg" I understood you to mean that Calvin should have contested the in-bounds pass which is precisely what the Knights did. One thing you don't want to do late in a game you're leading by a point is to foul the ball-handler before he ever gets in scoring range and put him at the line to win it there. So I think it would have been foolish for Canonie to hotly defend the ball handler when he was still at mid-court. I was at the game and I think Calvin defended the final 11 seconds properly and see no reason to criticize what the Knights did there. It was just their bad luck that the miss was so far off the mark that Paprocki was able to get an easy put-back with enough time (barely) for it to count. If the ball had caught iron, Calvin wins. I don't even criticize Calvin for not being able to contest the put-back. Your defenders can't be everywhere and they still only allow five of them on the floor at the same time.

[oldknight]

The consensus I have heard is that the backboard is the official time and the clock is allowed to be off by .1 second. Calvin fans may have a reason to feel hard done if that's the case, though I understand a referee having a hard time getting something like that right when it's THAT close. I also feel Calvin fans will feel that the game should have never been allowed to be decided on something like that.

I agree completely.