MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[GoKnights68]

I'm expecting that KS will spout off about KVS win % and how players loved him like he somehow was in the know when he was getting picked last for intramurals and trying to find a way to sit near the scorers table at games, wiz will make a comment about me being an ass, sac will talk about the parody in the MIAA and how this is the best league we've seen all the while wearing his Hope undies, and the hope fans will talk about overinflated expectations (we get it, you love KVS bexause you win against him).

Parody, yes that's what I'm hoping this is.


I've asked at least once probably twice or more to be left out of your personal diatribes.  There's no need to include me here I get it, you have no ability to reason or be thought provoking in your posts or any willingness to step outside your bubble and see that things aren't the way they used to be.  I haven't singled you out here that I'm aware of, or "called you out" in one of my posts as the kids call it.   If I have apologies for getting older and not remembering things.  This kind of stuff gets tiring after awhile.

And just to straighten out my thoughts on the leagues parity.  I think the league probably had its best parity 1 thru 7 its ever had, that does not in any way mean I think this is the best the league has ever been.

I guess I never have understood why you care so much what Calvin fans think of KVS since, you know, you're not a Calvin fan?

[Knight2Day]

I'm expecting that KS will spout off about KVS win % and how players loved him like he somehow was in the know when he was getting picked last for intramurals and trying to find a way to sit near the scorers table at games, wiz will make a comment about me being an ass, sac will talk about the parody in the MIAA and how this is the best league we've seen all the while wearing his Hope undies, and the hope fans will talk about overinflated expectations (we get it, you love KVS bexause you win against him).

Parody, yes that's what I'm hoping this is.


I've asked at least once probably twice or more to be left out of your personal diatribes.  There's no need to include me here I get it, you have no ability to reason or be thought provoking in your posts or any willingness to step outside your bubble and see that things aren't the way they used to be.  I haven't singled you out here that I'm aware of, or "called you out" in one of my posts as the kids call it.   If I have apologies for getting older and not remembering things.  This kind of stuff gets tiring after awhile.

And just to straighten out my thoughts on the leagues parity.  I think the league probably had its best parity 1 thru 7 its ever had, that does not in any way mean I think this is the best the league has ever been.

Why would I care about parody in the league? Do UofM fans hope that they lose to Northwestern for the sake of parody? No, and if you have a school president calling for excellence across the board and one team in particular is slowly but surely falling off the wagon, why not address it? People such as yourself might be somewhat excited at a 10 win Calvin team because it shows "parody," but for real Calvin fans, specifically alumni of the program is a "bleeping" joke and an embarrassment. And trust me, I'm far from the only alum saying this. You ever wonder why you don't see any former basketball players at games besides maybe the Hope game?

[knight4life]

Knight2Day, Taking shots at other coaches at Calvin and other people on this board are not the way to go about this. Please have some dignity on the posts so you don't create a worse image for the other Calvin fans on the boards, who enjoy reading and writing about our beloved school, even if they happen to have had a terrible year.

Thank you.

[Knight2Day]

Knight2Day, Taking shots at other coaches at Calvin and other people on this board are not the way to go about this. Please have some dignity on the posts so you don't create a worse image for the other Calvin fans on the boards, who enjoy reading and writing about our beloved school, even if they happen to have had a terrible year.

Thank you.

Taking shots at other coaches? Pretty sure I was talking about how the other coaches at Calvin do a great job (Warners, Souders, Diemer). And the board is a place for public opinion, I'm entitled to mine.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Knight2Day, Taking shots at other coaches at Calvin and other people on this board are not the way to go about this. Please have some dignity on the posts so you don't create a worse image for the other Calvin fans on the boards, who enjoy reading and writing about our beloved school, even if they happen to have had a terrible year.

Thank you.

Maybe he actually meant what he wrote - parody in the verb form "produce a humorous exaggerated imitation of"

Although if that was his goal, he failed

I assume he actually meant to use parity "the state or condition of being equal"

[sac]

It did end up being funny, so there's that.

[Young Knight 14]

Knight2Day, Taking shots at other coaches at Calvin and other people on this board are not the way to go about this. Please have some dignity on the posts so you don't create a worse image for the other Calvin fans on the boards, who enjoy reading and writing about our beloved school, even if they happen to have had a terrible year.

Thank you.

Taking shots at other coaches? Pretty sure I was talking about how the other coaches at Calvin do a great job (Warners, Souders, Diemer). And the board is a place for public opinion, I'm entitled to mine.

I'm guessing it was the John Ross comment he was referencing.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Speaking of parity (and dealing with the boredom of a long week with no Wednesday game coming up)...

I'm not saying this proves anything, but I did find it interesting.  If those who participate in the MIAA pick 'em contest are any indication of parity, then this year was it.  We have been doing the pick 'em with confidence points (1-4 each game day) for 11 years.  This years winner (Fifth & Putnam) won with a total of 102 points.  The only other season that was close to that was 10-11.  Listed below are the point totals for each years winner, as well as where 102 points would have ranked that year

17-18  -- 102 -- 1st
16-17  -- 115 -- 11th
15-16  -- 125 -- 25th
14-15  -- 119 -- 14th
13-14  -- 121 -- 19th
12-13  -- 123 -- 23rd
11-12  -- 121 -- 20th
10-11  -- 103 -- 2nd
09-10  -- 116 -- 12th
08-09  -- 111 -- 7th
07-08  -- 119 -- 23rd

[HOPEful]

The jury is still out on Mitchell.

... I'm not sure what people's expectations of Hope or Calvin are anymore, but they seem to be that Hope and Calvin should be able to run roughshod over the league with impunity the way they were perceived to have for a long 30 plus year stretch.  Those days are over...

Fwiw
Mitchell is 81-29  .736 win % overall,  46-10  .821 win % in conference with 2 outright championships and a co-championship.

I feel like this season REALLY bolstered Mitchell's resume. Any realistic Hope fan knew going into this season that the holes left by Blackledge, Brushwyler, and Stuive were going to be nearly impossible to fill in the matter of one season. It really felt like a "rebuilding" year, despite the talent at the guard position. To come out as Co-Champions? Pretty spectacular. Not to mention that Hope returns everyone other than Dante and Luke!

I am still hesitant to say "those days are over"... Hope's still won (at least a share of) the conference now 3 years in a row. I guess I need to see program consistency (rather than an individual or two) from a non-Hope or calvin team to be able jump on-board this statement. Albion was great when they had Brandon Crawford but has done little since. Time will tell if the same will be said with Trine and Holmquist/Dixon or Alma and Nikodemski. Will Olivet's success sustain or will we say the same thing about Adams?

[AlwaysHope]

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and the hope fans will talk about overinflated expectations (we get it, you love KVS because you win against him).

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Since Mitchell became Hope's coach, the results have been almost even:

2014-5:  Three Calvin wins
2015-6:  Three Hope wins
2016-7:  Two Calvin wins, one Hope win
2017-8:  Two Hope wins

Total:  6 Hope wins, 5 Calvin wins with GM and KVS as coaches

One less desperation bank shot by Towns, and the win totals may be reversed!

[shknowsbest]

In 15-16 hope won both games, only 2 were played.  Its 5-5 since coach Mitchell showed up.

[TUAngola]

The jury is still out on Mitchell.

This isn't necessarily directed at you, just a general comment, people are certainly entitled to their opinion or takes but.....


I'm not sure what people's expectations of Hope or Calvin are anymore, but they seem to be that Hope and Calvin should be able to run roughshod over the league with impunity the way they were perceived to have for a long 30 plus year stretch.  Those days are over.  All it takes is an injury or two, or a recruiting class miss and you will struggle to finish in the top half of this league now.

Sorry not sorry, but Calvin and hope SHOULD run roughshod through MOST of their league games....

Kaboom! 

[arena]

The jury is still out on Mitchell.

This isn't necessarily directed at you, just a general comment, people are certainly entitled to their opinion or takes but.....


I'm not sure what people's expectations of Hope or Calvin are anymore, but they seem to be that Hope and Calvin should be able to run roughshod over the league with impunity the way they were perceived to have for a long 30 plus year stretch.  Those days are over.  All it takes is an injury or two, or a recruiting class miss and you will struggle to finish in the top half of this league now.

Sorry not sorry, but Calvin and hope SHOULD run roughshod through MOST of their league games. The amount of donor money that has gone into their respective programs, the amount each school and program offers, not to mention the best basketball facilities in division 3, anything less than 17 wins a year at a school like Calvin is an utter disappointment.

When you have the biggest arena in division 3 and it is closer to a morgue than a athletic venue, you know you've lost the ship. The amount of recruits Calvin has lost and the amount of quality players who have quit because of KVS is laughable. He's the men's version of John Ross. Hope to get a Brink, Snikkers, Veenstra,
Winkle every few years so you can make a tourney run to satisfy the alum. The problem is that it has finally run out and now you have a 10 win season.

10 wins isn't going to cut it, not at a school like Calvin and that is evidenced by the complete lack of support for the program in its current state.

If you're going to use the excuse of "Calvin is more expensive and there are more institutions offering competitive athletics," then how in the good hell do Coach Warners, Coach Diemer, and Coach Souders do it year after year?

I'm expecting that KS will spout off about KVS win % and how players loved him like he somehow was in the know when he was getting picked last for intramurals and trying to find a way to sit near the scorers table at games, wiz will make a comment about me being an ass, sac will talk about the parody in the MIAA and how this is the best league we've seen all the while wearing his Hope undies, and the hope fans will talk about overinflated expectations (we get it, you love KVS bexause you win against him).

From the looks of the arena, I'm not the only Calvin fan who's sick of it. The ones with their head in the sand can keep it there, just turn off the lights when you leave.

Hear, hear.

Well said.

[Mr. Ypsi]

If indeed Knight2Day is a Calvin grad, one can always 'hope' that he is doing a parody of the language skills of Calvin grads!

The confusion of parity and parody is one of my pet peeves on these boards, and is surprisingly widespread.  One would hope for better from D3 fans (who I assume are primarily graduates of D3 colleges and universities).

(The confusion of winning a tournament berth vs. birth is another.  It was beautifully skewered on another board earlier today [don't recall which], who hoped that X school would have a short labor and quick recovery from the birth so they could represent well if they received a tourney berth! )

[sac]

Olivet has posted ticket information for this weekend

http://olivetcomets.com/general/2017-18/releases/20180219irupij

Here is the Hope link
http://athletics.hope.edu/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180219n8hxaa