MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

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Olivet 90  Trine 78

Quite a win for the Comets tonight.  As mentioned Tracy Edmond, Colin Jones and Dee Roberts were suspended for tonight's game.  Numbers of games seems to be a mystery as there are several different numbers being tossed around.  Stay tuned I guess.

Many in the MIAA wouldn't know it but Olivet guards Cam Ramos and Delbert Redfield are really good ball players and tonight they were given a chance to shine a little.  Unless Olivet Juco's them out of playing time they'll be a handful for the next couple of years (think Riley Lewis type guys (Riley Lewis just rolled his eyes at me)).   Spenzer Naffzinger's a pretty good player too.

Olivet just had great effort all night and really pressured the heck out of the ball on Trine.  Trine finished with 16 turnovers, thats high for them but seems low for the game, really felt like more.  Their big issue was really a terrible night shooting the 3-ball.  I bet Pete Smith had 4 or 5 go in and out alone.  OC's zone seemed made to take Langston Johnson's mid-range money shot away and take a lot of Myles Copelands' long jumpers away from him. 

I kind of disagree Copeland played great, I thought he struggled and scored most of his points on Nafzinger or someone else when Manuel had to basically ole any offensive player that came at him sitting on 3 and 4 fouls.  He didn't score for a 12 minute stretch of the first half after 5 early points then Manuel picked up #3 and sat, Copeland scored 6 to finish the half with him on the bench.   Second half he didn't get going until Manuel had 4th and then it was 4 minutes later  and then it was mostly undefended layups as Manuel had to back away and whoever else was no match for him.  Hunter, same kind of thing, Olivet just had to sort of let anything go underneath or risk running out of bodies.  Copeland ended up with good numbers but I didn't think he played great, just my view anyway.

Manuel was pretty aggressive right of the tip and unfortunately for him it resulted in picking up a 3rd foul middle of first half so he sat alot of it.  But Olivet was playing so well it didn't matter much.  Early in the 2nd he made a foolish baseline drive that drew a charge from official Shinear Trice.  It was a horrible
call in my view.  Trice and Ernst have a little history thats sort of funny to me, but in this instance Ernst lost his mind and F-bombed at Trice across the floor with official Jourdan Love about 2 feet in front of him.  Love had no choice to T him up, I could hear it from my seat.  About a millisecond later, just a touch too short for the brain cells that control the rage functions, Ernst F-bombed Love.  No choice but to T him up and toss him. 

Not sure it made a lick of difference in this outcome but overall that had to be one satisfying team bonding win overall. 


I will mention that Trine had it down to 8 and missed a layup and a point blank put back with a touch over a minute to go that would have cut it to 6, might have been interesting, instead Olivet extended it to 10 after a pair of FT's and that was it.

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today's results
Olivet 90  Trine 78
Hope 87  Kzoo 83
Albion 63  Adrian 57
Calvin 112  Alma 74

5 technical fouls tonight, 3 more on players.


Standings with +/-    (+1 for road win, -1 for home loss) w/remaining games

Trine      8-2      +3     (@Cal, ALB, @Kzo, ALM)
Albion    8-2      +2      (@Kzo, @Trn, @Cal, HPE)
Olivet     7-3      +1     (@Alm, @Adr, @Hpe, CAL)
Calvin    6-4       +1    (TRN, @Kzo, ALB, @Oli)
Hope      5-5        0     (@Adr, ALM, OLI, @Alb)
Kzoo      3-7        -1     (ALB, CAL, TRN, @Adr)
Alma      3-7       -2     (OLI, @Hpe, ADR, @Trn)
Adrian    0-10     -4     (HPE, OLI, @Alm,  KZO)

***Trine and Albion clinched tournament spots.  Olivet probably did too because of their 2 wins over Trine.

Olivet beating Trine has certainly added juice to the final 2 week run-in.   Bunch of big match-ups involving the 1 through 5 teams remaining. 

Starting at the bottom I don't think much has changed.  Hope probably still needs to win both remaining games this week to feel good or even clinch a tournament spot.  Both Kzoo and Alma are in kind of tough spots, two wins from 4 looks HUGE

Calvin is now in an amazing position (man Saturday's Hope/Calvin game was huge for them)  Calvin has all 3 teams ahead of them remaining and with some help......could win the league......outright even?

Olivet can't control what Trine or Albion do but their win over Trine tonight was a really big tie-breaker in their back pocket which could get them the 2 seed or even the one seed.  Odds we go back to Olivet went up tonight.

Trine and Albion play each other Saturday, winner gets the inside track towards a championship both have very tricky and dangerous road trips Wednesday.




The template of Win remaining Home games and games w/Kzoo/Adrian.   This is now very unfair to Kzoo, still sticking with it.

Trine     11-3
Albion   10-4
Olivet     9-5
Calvin    9-5
Hope      8-6
Alma     5-9

Kzoo  4-10  but sure looks like 5 or 6 might be within reach.

Nothing really changed here much.  Alma's position relative to Hope took a hit, and it looks like whether thats a battle with Kzoo for the last spot or with Hope for the 5th spot probably hinges on Alma v Hope Saturday.

[HOPEful]

... nor did the bow-and-arrow celebrations. Use the term you did to describe it is over the top as well.

douche - an obnoxious or contemptible person (typically used of a man)...

When you choose to use the fourth, slang, version of the definition ... I am no longer interested. That's basically creating a way for the word to be fairly used by you. It isn't. Slang terms in a negative use is just being hyperbolic. No better than the players on the court jawing at one another.

Feel free to see the actual definitions and not the slang version: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/douche

Perhaps this can be chalked up to generational differences. If you Google the definition, mine comes up second after "a shower of water". The ONLY way I've ever heard the word used in conversation is in the manner I used it.  I'm guessing it's the same for you. If I told you that for portions of that game, Hope's team sucked on offense, you wouldn't be offended and question if I was referring to a vacuum. Slang is very much a part of our vernacular, and to pretend otherwise is much more hyperbolic than using a term most colloquially know to mean a certain type of behavior. In hind site, would I have chosen a different word, or better yet, just left the topic as a whole alone? Sure. But saying the action was arrogant, condescending, disrespectful, and out of place... is quite wordy and doesn't express nearly as accurately the intended meaning that most understand by simply stating that it was a "douchey" thing to do.

[Goknights2017]

... nor did the bow-and-arrow celebrations. Use the term you did to describe it is over the top as well.

douche - an obnoxious or contemptible person (typically used of a man)...

The bow and arrow gesture on the first basket of the game is obnoxious. Repeating it for the next three is even more obnoxious, moving toward contemptible. I have seen plenty of Hope players do "douchy" things over the years, and I will again I'm sure.

None of this takes anything away from calvin's win. Unlike the first meeting, Hope shut down DeVries but calvin's players not named Derrick gave them a true team win.  It was hard fought and well earned.

Just for the record he had 18 points and lead Calvin in scoring while shooting almost 50% from the field.

Ya but, they held him below his average.......... by 0.6 points. (taken after Alma game so might not be completely accurate)

In all seriousness, the second have by DeVries was certainly not as flamboyant as his 1st half at Van Noord, but was almost as effective in terms of numbers and efficiency.

[HOPEful]

... nor did the bow-and-arrow celebrations. Use the term you did to describe it is over the top as well.

douche - an obnoxious or contemptible person (typically used of a man)...

The bow and arrow gesture on the first basket of the game is obnoxious. Repeating it for the next three is even more obnoxious, moving toward contemptible. I have seen plenty of Hope players do "douchy" things over the years, and I will again I'm sure.

None of this takes anything away from calvin's win. Unlike the first meeting, Hope shut down DeVries but calvin's players not named Derrick gave them a true team win.  It was hard fought and well earned.

Just for the record he had 18 points and lead Calvin in scoring while shooting almost 50% from the field.

Ya but, they held him below his average.......... by 0.6 points. (taken after Alma game so might not be completely accurate)

In all seriousness, the second have by DeVries was certainly not as flamboyant as his 1st half at Van Noord, but was almost as effective in terms of numbers and efficiency.

DeVries crushed Hope at Van Noord. They clearly came out determined to not allow a repeat performance by double teaming him early and often. Alex Bos made them pay for it by starting four for four from three. I think Derrick had 2 points at half. Three of his 18 came at the end from free throws on intentional fouls. As a Hope fan, you're very happy with how you contained him.

In their first meeting, DeWitte was the only other player to score in the double digits with twelve. On Saturday, Bykerk, Bos, Gutierrez, and Walters all did. It was a well earned, team win this weekend by the knights. Both teams played better at DeVos than Van Noord and calvin is a much better team when their offensive production doesn't revolve around DeVries.

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... nor did the bow-and-arrow celebrations. Use the term you did to describe it is over the top as well.

douche - an obnoxious or contemptible person (typically used of a man)...

The bow and arrow gesture on the first basket of the game is obnoxious. Repeating it for the next three is even more obnoxious, moving toward contemptible. I have seen plenty of Hope players do "douchy" things over the years, and I will again I'm sure.

None of this takes anything away from calvin's win. Unlike the first meeting, Hope shut down DeVries but calvin's players not named Derrick gave them a true team win.  It was hard fought and well earned.

Just for the record he had 18 points and lead Calvin in scoring while shooting almost 50% from the field.

Ya but, they held him below his average.......... by 0.6 points. (taken after Alma game so might not be completely accurate)

In all seriousness, the second have by DeVries was certainly not as flamboyant as his 1st half at Van Noord, but was almost as effective in terms of numbers and efficiency.

Not really. 

At VanNoord first half DeVries had 21 points on 9-14 shooting, 5 rebounds 1 to
at DeVos second half 12 points on 4-9 shooting, 0 rebounds, 2 turnovers 

I don't like using EFFICIENCY formulas for individual plays but that's a difference of 1.21 pts per possession at Van Noord and .97 at DeVos.  Probalby gets more even if DeVries makes those FT's at the end, but he didn't.
I think I'd take that same trade in game 3.

Either way, DeVries played overall very well in both games and is probably the difference between W's and L's for Calvin in both games.  Calvin did a better job getting points elsewhere in Game 2 than Game 1.  That's basketball.

[Goknights2017]

... nor did the bow-and-arrow celebrations. Use the term you did to describe it is over the top as well.

douche - an obnoxious or contemptible person (typically used of a man)...

The bow and arrow gesture on the first basket of the game is obnoxious. Repeating it for the next three is even more obnoxious, moving toward contemptible. I have seen plenty of Hope players do "douchy" things over the years, and I will again I'm sure.

None of this takes anything away from calvin's win. Unlike the first meeting, Hope shut down DeVries but calvin's players not named Derrick gave them a true team win.  It was hard fought and well earned.

Just for the record he had 18 points and lead Calvin in scoring while shooting almost 50% from the field.

Ya but, they held him below his average.......... by 0.6 points. (taken after Alma game so might not be completely accurate)

In all seriousness, the second have by DeVries was certainly not as flamboyant as his 1st half at Van Noord, but was almost as effective in terms of numbers and efficiency.

Not really. 

At VanNoord first half DeVries had 21 points on 9-14 shooting, 5 rebounds 1 to
at DeVos second half 12 points on 4-9 shooting, 0 rebounds, 2 turnovers 

I don't like using EFFICIENCY formulas for individual plays but that's a difference of 1.21 pts per possession at Van Noord and .97 at DeVos.  Probalby gets more even if DeVries makes those FT's at the end, but he didn't.
I think I'd take that same trade in game 3.

Either way, DeVries played overall very well in both games and is probably the difference between W's and L's for Calvin in both games.  Calvin did a better job getting points elsewhere in Game 2 than Game 1.  That's basketball.

You're right. I was under the false impression that all of his points came in the second half. They did not. After looking at the stats, it certainly wasn't as great as the first game, but he did nearly shoot 50% from the field. The question for Hope now is how do they defend Calvin in a potential rematch. As we saw in the second half of the first game, keying in on DeVries slowed Calvin down. However, Calvin was prepared for this the second game. It's a tough call for Coach Mitchell.

[GoKnights68]

Late question:  But how did everyone feel (respectfully) about the players named for the all-Calvin and all-Hope starting five honored this past Saturday for the 200th match-up?

Hope:  Ray Ritsema, Joe Holstege, Eric Elliott, Floyd Brady, and Duane Bosma

Calvin:  Steve Honderd, Mickey Phelps , Mark Veenstra, Bill Sall , Aaron Winkle


Was cool to see by the way. 

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Late question:  But how did everyone feel (respectfully) about the players named for the all-Calvin and all-Hope starting five honored this past Saturday for the 200th match-up?

Hope:  Ray Ritsema, Joe Holstege, Eric Elliott, Floyd Brady, and Duane Bosma

Calvin:  Steve Honderd, Mickey Phelps , Mark Veenstra, Bill Sall , Aaron Winkle


Was cool to see by the way.

Thought it was pretty spot on.    Elliot, Honderd, Sall played in at least 3 games together along with Hope's Wade Gugino.  Further evidence maybe that little stretch from 90 to 92 was the golden age of the rivalry.

Would have been more cool if they all could have been there, save for Brady of course.  Maybe some fan input would have been nice.  Saturday was the first time I'd even heard they did that.

[KnightSlappy]

Late question:  But how did everyone feel (respectfully) about the players named for the all-Calvin and all-Hope starting five honored this past Saturday for the 200th match-up?

Hope:  Ray Ritsema, Joe Holstege, Eric Elliott, Floyd Brady, and Duane Bosma

Calvin:  Steve Honderd, Mickey Phelps , Mark Veenstra, Bill Sall , Aaron Winkle


Was cool to see by the way.

Thought it was pretty spot on.    Elliot, Honderd, Sall played in at least 3 games together along with Hope's Wade Gugino.  Further evidence maybe that little stretch from 90 to 92 was the golden age of the rivalry.

Would have been more cool if they all could have been there, save for Brady of course.  Maybe some fan input would have been nice.  Saturday was the first time I'd even heard they did that.

Same. I think the colleges could have promoted these more in the lead up and gotten the fans involved, but I realize a lot of it (all of it) falls on the SIDs who are already overworked and underpaid. There were a few mentions of it during the Hoopsville marathon show when D-Mac had Timmer and Mitchell on the air, but I had no idea what they were talking about.

I never saw any of those players play.

[maroonandgold]

Late question:  But how did everyone feel (respectfully) about the players named for the all-Calvin and all-Hope starting five honored this past Saturday for the 200th match-up?

Hope:  Ray Ritsema, Joe Holstege, Eric Elliott, Floyd Brady, and Duane Bosma

Calvin:  Steve Honderd, Mickey Phelps , Mark Veenstra, Bill Sall , Aaron Winkle


Was cool to see by the way.

Thought it was pretty spot on.    Elliot, Honderd, Sall played in at least 3 games together along with Hope's Wade Gugino.  Further evidence maybe that little stretch from 90 to 92 was the golden age of the rivalry.

Would have been more cool if they all could have been there, save for Brady of course.  Maybe some fan input would have been nice.  Saturday was the first time I'd even heard they did that.

Same. I think the colleges could have promoted these more in the lead up and gotten the fans involved, but I realize a lot of it (all of it) falls on the SIDs who are already overworked and underpaid. There were a few mentions of it during the Hoopsville marathon show when D-Mac had Timmer and Mitchell on the air, but I had no idea what they were talking about.

I never saw any of those players play.

By contrast, I saw all of those players play and even practiced, at least, with Steve Honderd.  Good selections!  I couldn't argue with any of them.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Here are the first rankings for the men this season: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-first

[wiz]

Where is DeVries tonight?4:

[MaroonKnighty]

Heck of a game at Adrian tonight so far.  Go Bulldogs!

[MaroonKnighty]

Good win for the Knights.  Bulldogs having a hard time keeping up in the second half.