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[HopeConvert]

Calvin 68  Hope 66  F

Another really good one between these two tonight.  Three in one season actually seems rare these days.  Hope had its chances and like most of its season just couldn't quite make that one or two big plays to change a game at either end.



I think this is probably the closest I've seen a Hope team get to being really good and just not quite get over the hump.  The narrative of Hope's season (and Calvin's) is very different if the result of these games is different.

They were never close to being really good.

[HupHolland]

sure

When I saw it from the livestream I thought it was a foul. After seeing a few different angles I lean towards letting it go, but obviously I am biased. If you have instagram you can look at the Calvin knights page and watch their "story" to see a different angle.

Instagram angle isn't good. It was a foul, the Calvin player did not let him land. I would be more upset though if Hope was a borderline Pool C team. I agree with HopeConvert, they were never close to being really good.

[goodknight]

A bit of poor sportsmanship on the part of the Calvin students tonight, holding up a sign saying "Hope, keeping ugly girls out  of Calvin since 1876".

Can't say it isn't true though....

It's a pity we can't keep ugly posts out of this forum.

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A bit of poor sportsmanship on the part of the Calvin students tonight, holding up a sign saying "Hope, keeping ugly girls out  of Calvin since 1876".

Can't say it isn't true though....

It's a pity we can't keep ugly posts out of this forum.

[HOPEful]

sure

When I saw it from the livestream I thought it was a foul. After seeing a few different angles I lean towards letting it go, but obviously I am biased. If you have instagram you can look at the Calvin knights page and watch their "story" to see a different angle.

Instagram angle isn't good. It was a foul, the Calvin player did not let him land. I would be more upset though if Hope was a borderline Pool C team. I agree with HopeConvert, they were never close to being really good.

In all, I thought it was a very well refereed game. They let a lot slide, but they were consistent with that all game. Like the regular season meeting, Hope went back to driving hard to the basket with their undersized senior guard. Yes he was hacked, yes you should have expected him to be, and yes you should have expected the refs to swallow their whistle... In both cases, I would have much rather seen them draw up a play to find an open Hackert, Beckman, Lewis, or Ray for a game winning 3.

Next year's starting 5? Lewis, Hackert, Dietz, Granger, Vree/Gamm...

[HopeConvert]

sure

When I saw it from the livestream I thought it was a foul. After seeing a few different angles I lean towards letting it go, but obviously I am biased. If you have instagram you can look at the Calvin knights page and watch their "story" to see a different angle.

Instagram angle isn't good. It was a foul, the Calvin player did not let him land. I would be more upset though if Hope was a borderline Pool C team. I agree with HopeConvert, they were never close to being really good.

In all, I thought it was a very well refereed game. They let a lot slide, but they were consistent with that all game. Like the regular season meeting, Hope went back to driving hard to the basket with their undersized senior guard. Yes he was hacked, yes you should have expected him to be, and yes you should have expected the refs to swallow their whistle... In both cases, I would have much rather seen them draw up a play to find an open Hackert, Beckman, Lewis, or Ray for a game winning 3.

Next year's starting 5? Lewis, Hackert, Dietz, Granger, Vree/Gamm...

I'm less concerned with the fact that it wasn't called a foul than the fact that a wide-open Preston Granger is bypassed. Granted, there may not have been time, but Hope was whiffing on open pick-and-rolls all night; that is, when they were bothering to set solid screens. The Calvin camera angle was propitious for viewing Hope's largely non-existent screening. I regard that as a pretty serious issue.

[pointlem]

I'm less concerned with the fact that it wasn't called a foul than the fact that a wide-open Preston Granger is bypassed. Granted, there may not have been time, but Hope was whiffing on open pick-and-rolls all night; that is, when they were bothering to set solid screens. The Calvin camera angle was propitious for viewing Hope's largely non-existent screening. I regard that as a pretty serious issue.

The play started with 4.5 seconds and JB was the third player to handle the ball before his last second shot . . . the replay makes it look like a nicely designed play, but a close call on whether time would have allowed a 4th player to handle the ball for the open layup on that pick and roll.  Another second . . . then I'd wager he'd have passed.  (And he was knocked to the floor after he released the ball. Should standards for a foul change in the last three seconds?) 

But yes, all in all, a well-ref'd, well-played, exciting game . . . that leaves us looking forward, alas, to next season . . . with thanks to the seniors.

[realist]

All three of the Calvin/Hope games this year were fun to watch.  One stat that jumps out when you look at the box score of these 3 games is the lack of production from Hope's bench.  The first two games they contributed 3 points each time, and last night they doubled the output to 6. 
To me it looked like Hope players were feeling the effect of playing major minutes.  Beckman had a great game, but those 37 minutes on the floor had to take a toll.  In contrast Calvin's bench contributed 33 points last night.  Credit Hope had good strategy to hold down guys like De Vries, but Calvin's mix of players (different combinations) seemed to sway the game.

[GoKnights68]

I had an interesting idea a while back. Remember back in the 90's when D1 players could get an extra year of eligibility playing in D3? What I would like to see is D3 players getting an extra year of eligibility playing at the D1 level. Maybe give D1 teams an extra one-year scholarship specifically for this purpose?

It would be nice for Michigan to have Duncan Robinson again this season   

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I'm less concerned with the fact that it wasn't called a foul than the fact that a wide-open Preston Granger is bypassed. Granted, there may not have been time, but Hope was whiffing on open pick-and-rolls all night; that is, when they were bothering to set solid screens. The Calvin camera angle was propitious for viewing Hope's largely non-existent screening. I regard that as a pretty serious issue.

The play started with 4.5 seconds and JB was the third player to handle the ball before his last second shot . . . the replay makes it look like a nicely designed play, but a close call on whether time would have allowed a 4th player to handle the ball for the open layup on that pick and roll.  Another second . . . then I'd wager he'd have passed.  (And he was knocked to the floor after he released the ball. Should standards for a foul change in the last three seconds?) 

But yes, all in all, a well-ref'd, well-played, exciting game . . . that leaves us looking forward, alas, to next season . . . with thanks to the seniors.

You could get into some pretty interesting officiating philosophy with a question like this. I re-watched the final shot a few times this morning and it looks to me that Beckman got the shot off prior to any contact. Being the final shot of the game without time to do anything following a miss, it can be reasonably argued that the shooter (and offense more broadly) was not put at a disadvantage by the play. Perhaps that is called differently had there been time to follow his shot.

It's hard to know what exactly the officials saw from where they were standing but Beckman took off at kind of a funny angle. Perhaps it appeared he was trying to initiate contact to draw a call.

[sac]

sure

When I saw it from the livestream I thought it was a foul. After seeing a few different angles I lean towards letting it go, but obviously I am biased. If you have instagram you can look at the Calvin knights page and watch their "story" to see a different angle.

Instagram angle isn't good. It was a foul, the Calvin player did not let him land. I would be more upset though if Hope was a borderline Pool C team. I agree with HopeConvert, they were never close to being really good.

In all, I thought it was a very well refereed game. They let a lot slide, but they were consistent with that all game. Like the regular season meeting, Hope went back to driving hard to the basket with their undersized senior guard. Yes he was hacked, yes you should have expected him to be, and yes you should have expected the refs to swallow their whistle... In both cases, I would have much rather seen them draw up a play to find an open Hackert, Beckman, Lewis, or Ray for a game winning 3.

Next year's starting 5? Lewis, Hackert, Dietz, Granger, Vree/Gamm...

I'm less concerned with the fact that it wasn't called a foul than the fact that a wide-open Preston Granger is bypassed. Granted, there may not have been time, but Hope was whiffing on open pick-and-rolls all night; that is, when they were bothering to set solid screens. The Calvin camera angle was propitious for viewing Hope's largely non-existent screening. I regard that as a pretty serious issue.

5 ways to defend ball screens
https://www.stack.com/a/defend-ball-screens

Calvin hard hedged and blitzed all night, they did a nice job on ball screens.

[KnightSlappy]

I think it should have been a foul. By that, I mean I would be aggrieved if the shoe were on the proverbial other foot. The airborne shooter is to be allowed to land and I do not think Beckman was properly afforded that ability by the Calvin defenders.

It is true, though, that the referees were relatively averse to calling fouls the entire night. I don't think either side entered the bonus in either half. I can appreciate the consistency in this regard even if perhaps a foul would have been justified in this instance.

(I will still argue that a foul was not justified at the end of the Alma game earlier in the year.)

[almcguirejr]

I think it should have been a foul. By that, I mean I would be aggrieved if the shoe were on the proverbial other foot. The airborne shooter is to be allowed to land and I do not think Beckman was properly afforded that ability by the Calvin defenders.

It is true, though, that the referees were relatively averse to calling fouls the entire night. I don't think either side entered the bonus in either half. I can appreciate the consistency in this regard even if perhaps a foul would have been justified in this instance.

(I will still argue that a foul was not justified at the end of the Alma game earlier in the year.)

Beckman jumped forward on his shot attempt, trying to draw contact.  I thought it was a good no call.

[KnightSlappy]

I think it should have been a foul. By that, I mean I would be aggrieved if the shoe were on the proverbial other foot. The airborne shooter is to be allowed to land and I do not think Beckman was properly afforded that ability by the Calvin defenders.

It is true, though, that the referees were relatively averse to calling fouls the entire night. I don't think either side entered the bonus in either half. I can appreciate the consistency in this regard even if perhaps a foul would have been justified in this instance.

(I will still argue that a foul was not justified at the end of the Alma game earlier in the year.)

Beckman jumped forward on his shot attempt, trying to draw contact.  I thought it was a good no call.

https://livestream.com/calvin-college/events/8446961/videos/187697796

Play starts at 1:30:13. I don't see him jumping into contact at all. I don't know why I'm arguing this side, however.

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I'm just glad no one tossed a stuffed animal on the court.

(Highly recommend checking out the link if you don't initially understand the reference. Wild happening last night)