MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[oldknight]

I agree with the comments made by goodknight and sac. I would add that Andy Bronkema made the trek from Ferris to attend Bill's press conference. The 2018 D2 national championship coach has ultimate respect for Bill Sall and said Calvin could not have gotten a better coach to lead their program.

[Jameswys]

I agree with the comments made by goodknight and sac. I would add that Andy Bronkema made the trek from Ferris to attend Bill's press conference. The 2018 D2 national championship coach has ultimate respect for Bill Sall and said Calvin could not have gotten a better coach to lead their program.

This speaks volumes about this hire. Calvin fans should be happy with Bill Sall.

I personally was hoping Calvin would spend a few more months looking for a coach... because, hey, Calvin's a rival. 😂

[Grutte Dirk]

Whether he knows it or not, MaroonMighty already nailed it.

So, in other words, this:

Calvin search is apparently down to two. A high school coach and a D3 coach

Yep.  Heard as well that Bill Sall to Calvin won't be happening.  That's too bad.

... was wrong?

No, he was right.

To be clear, I'm not saying Coach Sall isn't the right hire... I just don't see it as a home run. Perhaps I was unrealistic in my expectations of who this job might attract.

I can't pretend to know what your expectations were, but unless quality coaches are attracted by intense pressure, middling compensation, part-time assistants, and a bit of a couch fire, the applicant pool would be shallow.

Too bad the Keystone Kops fumbled around so long...

Let's hope those Kops can be distracted by the Case of the Missing Moses and so they quit meddling in things they don't understand.

... allowed so many recruiting opportunities to pass.

How many recruits was Calvin in-on that signed a Letter of Intent? As the great "Lefty" Driesell once said, "I love verbal commitments. That way I know who I'm recruiting against."

[Gregory Sager]

Whether he knows it or not, MaroonMighty already nailed it.

So, in other words, this:

Calvin search is apparently down to two. A high school coach and a D3 coach

Yep.  Heard as well that Bill Sall to Calvin won't be happening.  That's too bad.

... was wrong?

No, he was right.

OK, then, so what am I missing here?

1) GoKnights68 says that "Bill Sall to Calvin won't be happening."
2) Bill Sall is not only "happening", he is announced as Calvin's new coach today.

Even though Coach Sall apparently had earlier turned down a Calvin offer and then changed his mind after Calvin had subsequently sweetened that offer, that doesn't change the fact that the statement "Bill Sall to Calvin won't be happening" ultimately proved to be wrong -- even though it may have been right at the time the post was made.

He didn't say, "Bill Sall to Calvin won't be happening unless Calvin comes back to him with a better offer." He said, definitively and without qualififcation, "Bill Sall to Calvin won't be happening." Period.

[Grutte Dirk]

OK, then, so what am I missing here?
Even though Coach Sall apparently had earlier turned down a Calvin offer and then changed his mind after Calvin had subsequently sweetened that offer...

I'm not sure that was the case. No more sugar was added to the pot–maybe a stronger, more durable pot was offered.

OK, then, so what am I missing here?

IIRR. At the time, and then one more time–it was right that Sall was not an option. But you're right, it did happen... in spite of. Thank goodness for Timmer Jr. As this was all predestined, God is a trickster sometimes.

[MaroonKnighty]

Whether he knows it or not, MaroonMighty already nailed it.

So, in other words, this:

Calvin search is apparently down to two. A high school coach and a D3 coach

Yep.  Heard as well that Bill Sall to Calvin won't be happening.  That's too bad.

... was wrong?

No, he was right.

OK, then, so what am I missing here?

1) GoKnights68 says that "Bill Sall to Calvin won't be happening."
2) Bill Sall is not only "happening", he is announced as Calvin's new coach today.

Even though Coach Sall apparently had earlier turned down a Calvin offer and then changed his mind after Calvin had subsequently sweetened that offer, that doesn't change the fact that the statement "Bill Sall to Calvin won't be happening" ultimately proved to be wrong -- even though it may have been right at the time the post was made.

He didn't say, "Bill Sall to Calvin won't be happening unless Calvin comes back to him with a better offer." He said, definitively and without qualififcation, "Bill Sall to Calvin won't be happening." Period.

This is all true with the exception of whether I know it or not.  Who will be the assistants???...

[Grutte Dirk]

Who will be the assistants???...

Also, will this bring a staffing shift at Calvin? Will this be the start of hiring full-time coaches at Calvin?
How are most D3 programs staffed? What % of MIAA and/ or D3s have full-time assistant men's basketball coaches?

[Gregory Sager]

OK, then, so what am I missing here?
Even though Coach Sall apparently had earlier turned down a Calvin offer and then changed his mind after Calvin had subsequently sweetened that offer...

I'm not sure that was the case. No more sugar was added to the pot–maybe a stronger, more durable pot was offered.

This is not what I've heard. And it's apparently not what MaroonKnighty heard, either, since he corroborated my post early this morning.

The sequence of events, as I was told, was this:

1) Calvin made an offer to Sall.
2) NMU gave Sall a raise in response; Sall chose to stay in Marquette.
3) Calvin moved on to Plan B, continuing with the job search and narrowing it down to a current D3 head coach and a local public high school coach.
4) The D3 coach didn't like Calvin's offered compensation package, and the high-school coach, for whatever reason, didn't take the job, either.
5) Calvin came back to Sall with a new offer that included a full-time assistant coach, which apparently Calvin hasn't had before.
6) Sall took the job.

All of my info is at least secondhand, possibly thirdhand or even fourth-hand, so if you or someone else has evidence that contradicts this narrative, please share it.

[HupHolland]

OK, then, so what am I missing here?
Even though Coach Sall apparently had earlier turned down a Calvin offer and then changed his mind after Calvin had subsequently sweetened that offer...

I'm not sure that was the case. No more sugar was added to the pot–maybe a stronger, more durable pot was offered.

This is not what I've heard. And it's apparently not what MaroonKnighty heard, either, since he corroborated my post early this morning.

The sequence of events, as I was told, was this:

1) Calvin made an offer to Sall.
2) NMU gave Sall a raise in response; Sall chose to stay in Marquette.
3) Calvin moved on to Plan B, continuing with the job search and narrowing it down to a current D3 head coach and a local public high school coach.
4) The D3 coach didn't like Calvin's offered compensation package, and the high-school coach, for whatever reason, didn't take the job, either.
5) Calvin came back to Sall with a new offer that included a full-time assistant coach, which apparently Calvin hasn't had before.
6) Sall took the job.

All of my info is at least secondhand, possibly thirdhand or even fourth-hand, so if you or someone else has evidence that contradicts this narrative, please share it.

This is correct. The high school coach more or less, said yes, but asked for more money too (would have made less than current teaching job)

I wonder if the full time assistant has a domino effect across the league

[oldknight]

OK, then, so what am I missing here?
Even though Coach Sall apparently had earlier turned down a Calvin offer and then changed his mind after Calvin had subsequently sweetened that offer...

I'm not sure that was the case. No more sugar was added to the pot–maybe a stronger, more durable pot was offered.

This is not what I've heard. And it's apparently not what MaroonKnighty heard, either, since he corroborated my post early this morning.

The sequence of events, as I was told, was this:

1) Calvin made an offer to Sall.
2) NMU gave Sall a raise in response; Sall chose to stay in Marquette.
3) Calvin moved on to Plan B, continuing with the job search and narrowing it down to a current D3 head coach and a local public high school coach.
4) The D3 coach didn't like Calvin's offered compensation package, and the high-school coach, for whatever reason, didn't take the job, either.
5) Calvin came back to Sall with a new offer that included a full-time assistant coach, which apparently Calvin hasn't had before.
6) Sall took the job.

All of my info is at least secondhand, possibly thirdhand or even fourth-hand, so if you or someone else has evidence that contradicts this narrative, please share it.

Well, sequence no. 6) is certainly correct.

[sac]

Britton Angell  6-3 G  Big Rapids Crossroads will attend Olivet  Class D 4th team

[ziggy]

OK, then, so what am I missing here?
Even though Coach Sall apparently had earlier turned down a Calvin offer and then changed his mind after Calvin had subsequently sweetened that offer...

I'm not sure that was the case. No more sugar was added to the pot–maybe a stronger, more durable pot was offered.

This is not what I've heard. And it's apparently not what MaroonKnighty heard, either, since he corroborated my post early this morning.

The sequence of events, as I was told, was this:

1) Calvin made an offer to Sall.
2) NMU gave Sall a raise in response; Sall chose to stay in Marquette.
3) Calvin moved on to Plan B, continuing with the job search and narrowing it down to a current D3 head coach and a local public high school coach.
4) The D3 coach didn't like Calvin's offered compensation package, and the high-school coach, for whatever reason, didn't take the job, either.
5) Calvin came back to Sall with a new offer that included a full-time assistant coach, which apparently Calvin hasn't had before.
6) Sall took the job.

All of my info is at least secondhand, possibly thirdhand or even fourth-hand, so if you or someone else has evidence that contradicts this narrative, please share it.

This is correct. The high school coach more or less, said yes, but asked for more money too (would have made less than current teaching job)

I wonder if the full time assistant has a domino effect across the league

I saw it reported that there were 2 candidates brought on campus so I'm not sure how that shakes out with there having apparently been three offers at various points in the process.

[Gregory Sager]

Who will be the assistants???...

Also, will this bring a staffing shift at Calvin? Will this be the start of hiring full-time coaches at Calvin?
How are most D3 programs staffed? What % of MIAA and/ or D3s have full-time assistant men's basketball coaches?

I can't speak definitively to "most D3 programs," nor can I speak to the MIAA. I can only tell you about my own league, the CCIW.

There have traditionally been three different variations of staffing, each of which is currently represented in the CCIW:

* Program has a full-time assistant coach whose job responsibilities are 100% tied to the men's basketball program.

* Program has a full-time assistant coach whose job responsibilities also include another job on campus. (Examples: Augustana's Tom Jessee is also the director of Augie's Carver P.E. Center, Elmhurst's Peyton Wyatt doubles as the head men's golf coach of the Bluejays, and Carroll's Kyle Jones is an assistant director of graduate admission at Carroll.) The commitments to these other jobs vary, but in many cases the second responsibility is a minor one that requires little time and effort on the part of the assistant coach, allowing him to focus upon his basketball duties.

* Program has no full-time assistant coach, and compensates for the lack of one by employing a platoon of part-time assistants, a la Hope. Illinois Wesleyan is an example of this.

My read is that these three variations represent how most D3 schools handle staffing for their various sports.

[Gregory Sager]

OK, then, so what am I missing here?
Even though Coach Sall apparently had earlier turned down a Calvin offer and then changed his mind after Calvin had subsequently sweetened that offer...

I'm not sure that was the case. No more sugar was added to the pot–maybe a stronger, more durable pot was offered.

This is not what I've heard. And it's apparently not what MaroonKnighty heard, either, since he corroborated my post early this morning.

The sequence of events, as I was told, was this:

1) Calvin made an offer to Sall.
2) NMU gave Sall a raise in response; Sall chose to stay in Marquette.
3) Calvin moved on to Plan B, continuing with the job search and narrowing it down to a current D3 head coach and a local public high school coach.
4) The D3 coach didn't like Calvin's offered compensation package, and the high-school coach, for whatever reason, didn't take the job, either.
5) Calvin came back to Sall with a new offer that included a full-time assistant coach, which apparently Calvin hasn't had before.
6) Sall took the job.

All of my info is at least secondhand, possibly thirdhand or even fourth-hand, so if you or someone else has evidence that contradicts this narrative, please share it.

Well, sequence no. 6) is certainly correct.

Be careful of that creaky limb underneath you, OK.

[sac]

I believe but am not certain  Olivet, Albion and I think Trine have had or have a full time assistant, but I might not be correct on that. 

Taking it further Olivet had a Director of Basketball Operations during Ernst's tenure, I do not believe they have re-hired for that roll or dropped it altogether.