MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I have no issue with a student-athlete making a decision to leave a team. There is life beyond sports and that is what they are preparing for while in college. We (as fans) never know what may be going on in their lives or circumstances that lead to a decision to leave. I for one will always support someone making a tough decision that is right for them and hope they move on to a better life

We will never know the whole story here, and it’s certainly not the first or last time this will happen. I’m certainly not a fan of anyone airing “dirty laundry” on social media. IMHO that looks bad for everyone involved and is just a lose-lose situation.

[Titan Q]

Not necessarily. Small-market newspapers that cover a local college are notorious for filtering out non-positive elements of their coverage of that local college's sports. There was an interesting recent post about this phenomenon in the MIAC football room from a journalist who began his career as a stringer for small-town Minnesota newspapers. The idea is that you don't want to alienate readers over something as minor as a local college sports factoid. That's particularly true nowadays, since all print media -- especially small-market newspapers -- are struggling, especially since print media is always constrained by the amount of available column inches, anyway.

I read a lot of online links to D3 coverage from local papers, and I see them use this type of editorial slant all the time. Usually it means saying next to nothing about the local college's opponent, even if that opponent has done something significant, but sometimes, as in this case, it means silence about some non-positive aspect of the local college's team itself. Of course, not every writer or editor draws the line in the same place between journalistic thoroughness and the need to avoid losing the paying readership over something perceived as being minor, with regard to what he or she will allow in a story.

It's an interesting phenomenon in terms of D3 media coverage ... well, maybe it's just interesting to people who spend way too much time looking at how D3 sports get covered outside of the d3sports.com collective.

But, like, wouldn't you at least say, "Hope was playing without Riley Lewis, who started 7 games and averaged____."  Just seems weird to me they did not even mention him.

[northb]

Picking up on something sac tweeted, it's rather bizarre the Holland Sentinel did not even mention the Riley Lewis situation at all in its story on the game last night -- https://www.hollandsentinel.com/news/20191227/granger-scores-27-hope-outlasts-westminster.  Lewis started Hope's first 7 games, and played in all 9 before last night.  Wouldn't you have to say something in the article?

Not necessarily. Small-market newspapers that cover a local college are notorious for filtering out non-positive elements of their coverage of that local college's sports. There was an interesting recent post about this phenomenon in the MIAC football room from a journalist who began his career as a stringer for small-town Minnesota newspapers. The idea is that you don't want to alienate readers over something as minor as a local college sports factoid. That's particularly true nowadays, since all print media -- especially small-market newspapers -- are struggling, especially since print media is always constrained by the amount of available column inches, anyway.

I read a lot of online links to D3 coverage from local papers, and I see them use this type of editorial slant all the time. Usually it means saying next to nothing about the local college's opponent, even if that opponent has done something significant, but sometimes, as in this case, it means silence about some non-positive aspect of the local college's team itself. Of course, not every writer or editor draws the line in the same place between journalistic thoroughness and the need to avoid losing the paying readership over something perceived as being minor, with regard to what he or she will allow in a story.

It's an interesting phenomenon in terms of D3 media coverage ... well, maybe it's just interesting to people who spend way too much time looking at how D3 sports get covered outside of the d3sports.com collective.

Fake news

[northb]

Also seems odd Lewis has been removed from all of the season stats - https://athletics.hope.edu/sports/mbkb/2019-20/teams/hope. Doesn't that mess up all of the season totals, etc?

Now, that is surprising. It's pretty common for student-athletes to leave a team in mid-season in D3, but you don't tend to see a player who has been removed from the roster also get removed from the stats. As you said, doing so throws the stats off-kilter.

Like he who should not be names (a****i)?

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[Flying Dutch Fan]

Geez, relax people. I suspect that the way Presto sports (the web design used by nearly every d3 school) works is that removing a player from the roster automatically removes his stats as well. Give the SID and others a chance to deal with it.

[Gregory Sager]

Geez, relax people. I suspect that the way Presto sports (the web design used by nearly every d3 school) works is that removing a player from the roster automatically removes his stats as well. Give the SID and others a chance to deal with it.

You may be right about how Presto works (I'm not familiar with Presto's method of adjusting previously-entered stats, since my school doesn't use Presto). But Presto isn't used by "nearly every D3 school". There are competing platform providers that are used by other D3 schools. A lot of them use Sidearm as their stats platform, for example.

[HopeConvert]

Geez, relax people. I suspect that the way Presto sports (the web design used by nearly every d3 school) works is that removing a player from the roster automatically removes his stats as well. Give the SID and others a chance to deal with it.

To this point: Nate Davis is no longer listed on the roster, nor does he appear on team stats. I think FDF is right about how this is a feature of the Presto system. Imagine what Stalin could have done with Presto.   

[arena]

Geez, relax people. I suspect that the way Presto sports (the web design used by nearly every d3 school) works is that removing a player from the roster automatically removes his stats as well. Give the SID and others a chance to deal with it.

To this point: Nate Davis is no longer listed on the roster, nor does he appear on team stats. I think FDF is right about how this is a feature of the Presto system. Imagine what Stalin could have done with Presto.   

That's actually an interesting thought. What would Stalin have done with today's tech.

[Jameswys]

Geez, relax people. I suspect that the way Presto sports (the web design used by nearly every d3 school) works is that removing a player from the roster automatically removes his stats as well. Give the SID and others a chance to deal with it.

To this point: Nate Davis is no longer listed on the roster, nor does he appear on team stats. I think FDF is right about how this is a feature of the Presto system. Imagine what Stalin could have done with Presto.   

That's actually an interesting thought. What would Stalin have done with today's tech.

Nothing good, for his people or the world, that's for sure.

[Gregory Sager]

Geez, relax people. I suspect that the way Presto sports (the web design used by nearly every d3 school) works is that removing a player from the roster automatically removes his stats as well. Give the SID and others a chance to deal with it.

To this point: Nate Davis is no longer listed on the roster, nor does he appear on team stats. I think FDF is right about how this is a feature of the Presto system. Imagine what Stalin could have done with Presto.   

That's actually an interesting thought. What would Stalin have done with today's tech.

[Fifth and Putnam]

https://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/20191229/riley-lewis-leaves-hope-basketball-team

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

https://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/20191229/riley-lewis-leaves-hope-basketball-team

Did they really write this story without reaching out to the kid?  That's rough.

[HOPEful]

Two points...

1. On Riley Lewis... I can imagine just how frustrating this year must have been for Riley. He was the lone senior contributor (I realize Zandstra is there...) to a team clearly in a rebuilding year. And with his struggles, a strong argument could be made the team is better off starting and developing their underclassmen guards vs. him. I try to NEVER judge a D3 player for quitting. These young men are paying for a very expensive education that is incredibly difficult to balance while in season. By quitting the team now, Riley can go in to next semester 100% focused on his education. The manner in which he exited is another thing. I'll choose to be grateful for the 3.5 years he gave to the team vs. get hung up on the way he exited.

2. The game against Illinois Tech may be the single worst offensive performance I've ever seen from a Hope team. It was certainly the worst performance I've ever witnessed at DeVos. Evan Thomas went 1 for 10 in his worst game as a Dutchman. Preston went 2 for 11. Matt Zandstra led the team in points by going 5 for 5 in garbage time. Hope had plenty of good looks and just missed shot after shot.

[HupHolland]

https://twitter.com/olivetathletics/status/1211745043842768901?s=21

Anyone know why the game location is being moved to Battle Creek?

[sac]

That's really strange for a couple reasons, one being Battle Creek Central doesn't use the Fieldhouse as a basketball facility much anymore, they have a relatively new gym with 1/100th the character.  Two, Olivet is going to have to tape the floor with the college lines.


Battle Creek Central Fieldhouse is truly one of Michigan's great old "barns"