MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Thank you pointlem - very well said as always.

[ziggy]

Baked into my question is the subquestion as to whether or not the notion of a hot seat ever exists at this level or at Hope or Calvin.

[wiz]

Baked into my question is the subquestion as to whether or not the notion of a hot seat ever exists at this level or at Hope or Calvin.

Hot seat for record or for other issues?  Certainly for the latter at both schools.

[HoopsCoach]

There has to be more to this... Three players left IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON. Sadly, I'm not so sure this is only about wins and losses anymore. But along those lines... first home loss to Alma since 1994. 45 game win streak over Kzoo snapped today. 8 of last 10 and five straight to Calvin. Lost five in a row. 6 of 7. Worst season since 1978 if I heard that right this week? I hope there aren't underlying issues but at the surface you'd be naive to not wonder.

[sac]

Kalamazoo 91 Hope 72 F

Pretty painful one today, ultimately basketball is about making shots and Hope just couldn't make any.  Contested ones, wide open ones, easy ones, hard ones.   Hope's recent games are death by 1,000 paper cuts, little things nearly every time up and down the floor.  But make shots and it all goes away.


Hope:  Granger 18, Thomas 15
Kzoo:  Humes 18, Blyly 18, Hamann 15, Reiter 13


Hope's first loss to Kalamazoo since 1998 breaking a string of 46 consecutive wins.   

Been watching Hope for 30 years, they've had tough seasons, but nothing that's ever snowballed this bad.   

[almcguirejr]

What a fun game to watch between Calvin and Alma today.  While Calvin had the lead most of the game and were favored to win, I was nervous until the last minute or two.  Alma played with a lot of intensity and did there best at tiring the Knights out. 
Lots of great games today.  It's fun to watch this league this year, so many teams are getting better as their season goes on.

It was a good game to watch today.  Calvin had a decent crowd of 1500+ today.  That was encouraging.  It was also announced that there is free admission to the February 22 game against Adrian.  That should be a very competitive game.  I applaud the Calvin athletic department for making this game available at no charge.

[sac]

Adrian 79  Albion 78
Calvin 87 Alma 76
Olivet 82  Trine 78

+1 for road win/ -1 for home loss

1.  Albion 10-2  +5
2.  Calvin 8-4  +2
3.  Trine 7-5 +1
3.  Adrian 7-5  E
5.  Alma 6-6   +1

6.  Hope 4-8  -3

7.  Olivet 3-9  -3
8.  Kalamazoo 3-9  -3

Well today was fun and means every game is meaningful again Wednesday night with every seeding spot up for grabs.   .

We did assure ourselves the MIAA semi-finals will be at Albion, the Brits hold a 2-0 head-to-head over Calvin.

The five that have qualified cannot finish lower than 5th.  So its Hope/Olivet/Kalamazoo for the 6th seed.

So that 6th seed.   Hope's still sort of in charge here but a lot less so than a week ago.   Easiest for Olivet or Kzoo to out-win Hope, that takes Hope losing at Alma and at Trine which is pretty much a given at this point.   Hope clinches with a win(hahaha) and one Olivet and one Kzoo loss anywhere.

In the case of a 3-way tie between Hope/Olivet/Kzoo   Kzoo wins that tie-break going 3-1 against the other two.

For two way tie it gets tricky. 
Hope v Kzoo:   splits season series.   Hope's best win is Adrian/Trine, Kzoo's best win is Hope    K would need to beat Calvin or Alma and have either finish ahead of Adrian/Trine.   IF Hope beat Alma, K would need to beat Calvin to win tie-break.

Hope v Olivet:  split season series.  Hope's best win is now Adrian/Trine   Could go a couple ways, but either Olivet has to beat Adrian and Hope lose to Alma, or Olivet beat Albion.  IF Hope beats Alma, Olivet has to beat Adrian and Albion and would win tie-break by beating Albion.

Kzoo v Olivet:  Kzoo won season series 2-0


Remaining games:

Adrian:   @Oli,  @Cal
Albion:   TRN,  OLI
Alma:     HPE,  KZO
Calvin:   @Kzo,  ADR
Hope:     @Alm,  @Trn
Kzoo:     CAL,  @Alm
Olivet:     ADR,  @Alb
Trine:     @Alb,  HPE

[sac]

There has to be more to this... Three players left IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON. Sadly, I'm not so sure this is only about wins and losses anymore. But along those lines... first home loss to Alma since 1994. 45 game win streak over Kzoo snapped today. 8 of last 10 and five straight to Calvin. Lost five in a row. 6 of 7. Worst season since 1978 if I heard that right this week? I hope there aren't underlying issues but at the surface you'd be naive to not wonder.

Nah, there really isn't.

Hope lost 4 of its top 7 minutes guys from a year ago.  #8 and #9 were mostly project guys and #9 spent half of last year on the shelf, for experience purposes they're both 2nd year players and have not shown alot beyond what they are.   Midway through the year #1 returning minutes guy leaves, so Hope has 2 of its top 7 minutes guys from a year ago, 2 projects, and a bunch of guys who didn't really discern themselves from anyone else last year.    And of those 2 left the team and 2 got injured, one before the season, one in December at the worst time really.  Its  #2 returning minutes guy and about 10 guys he'd barely played with including four first year varsity players and a Quarterback.

Hope was picked 4th by coaches in a league that everyone knew was tight from 4 to 7,  picked 6th then 5th by a waffling wise cracking poster.  Where do you think they'd pick Hope with this current roster? 5th, 6th, 7th?   As I've said many times for several seasons now it doesn't take much more than an injury or two or miss a recruiting class or two to slide down the league standings really easily.  Hope's had that plus some.

It was always going to be a real climb to be respectable this year believe it or not, its disappointing it hasn't gone better for sure.

[calvin_grad]

You can't guard him!!  Clap.Clap.  Clap-Clap-Clap.

Derrick DeVries with 37 points, 16 boards and 5 assists in 30 minutes of PT.  Calvin wins 87-76 over Alma.

And he gets every whistle.

Good, aggressive players are usually the ones that get deserved whistles.

I agree, an Alma fan disagreed.

He fouled out, so he doesn't get every whistle. 

[arena]

You can't guard him!!  Clap.Clap.  Clap-Clap-Clap.

Derrick DeVries with 37 points, 16 boards and 5 assists in 30 minutes of PT.  Calvin wins 87-76 over Alma.

And he gets every whistle.

Good, aggressive players are usually the ones that get deserved whistles.

I agree, an Alma fan disagreed.

He fouled out, so he doesn't get every whistle. 

I know, that's what I found so humorous

[HoopsCoach]

There has to be more to this... Three players left IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON. Sadly, I'm not so sure this is only about wins and losses anymore. But along those lines... first home loss to Alma since 1994. 45 game win streak over Kzoo snapped today. 8 of last 10 and five straight to Calvin. Lost five in a row. 6 of 7. Worst season since 1978 if I heard that right this week? I hope there aren't underlying issues but at the surface you'd be naive to not wonder.

Nah, there really isn't.

Hope lost 4 of its top 7 minutes guys from a year ago.  #8 and #9 were mostly project guys and #9 spent half of last year on the shelf, for experience purposes they're both 2nd year players and have not shown alot beyond what they are.   Midway through the year #1 returning minutes guy leaves, so Hope has 2 of its top 7 minutes guys from a year ago, 2 projects, and a bunch of guys who didn't really discern themselves from anyone else last year.    And of those 2 left the team and 2 got injured, one before the season, one in December at the worst time really.  Its  #2 returning minutes guy and about 10 guys he'd barely played with including four first year varsity players and a Quarterback.

Hope was picked 4th by coaches in a league that everyone knew was tight from 4 to 7,  picked 6th then 5th by a waffling wise cracking poster.  Where do you think they'd pick Hope with this current roster? 5th, 6th, 7th?   As I've said many times for several seasons now it doesn't take much more than an injury or two or miss a recruiting class or two to slide down the league standings really easily.  Hope's had that plus some.

It was always going to be a real climb to be respectable this year believe it or not, its disappointing it hasn't gone better for sure.

I could buy this if it was December or early January. But by now this team has plenty of experience, freshmen and so-called projects included. And they got off to a good start. Players left during the "good" part of the season. This team is under prepared, incredibly predictable on offense, and add in defections... it goes beyond experience at this point.

[oldknight]

You can't guard him!!  Clap.Clap.  Clap-Clap-Clap.

Derrick DeVries with 37 points, 16 boards and 5 assists in 30 minutes of PT.  Calvin wins 87-76 over Alma.

And he gets every whistle.

Good, aggressive players are usually the ones that get deserved whistles.

I agree, an Alma fan disagreed.

He fouled out, so he doesn't get every whistle. 

A very pithy observation by calvin_grad. Given who I am, I'm far less pithy, so let me add my own mileage to the question of whether Derrick gets every call. In addition to the fact that we know DeVries didn't get at least five of them yesterday afternoon, let me tell you what I witnessed, up close and personal, from my front-row, end-zone seat near the Calvin bench.

Ensconced next to the highly esteemed KnightSlappy (just ask Dave McHugh!), I saw the game from the same position as did the end-zone official. I could have tripped that official if I wanted, and maybe some Alma fans would have appreciated it if I had. But having an official's call place Derrick at the free throw line is not a new event. DeVries has shot 139 free throws in 12 conference games, an average 11.6 per game. As an 80% free throw shooter, he's nearly averaging double figures just shooting free throws.

I had a perfect view of every second half call near or in the lane that sent Derrick to the stripe. Aside from the 2 technical free throws he took for his team, DeVries had 13 second half charity tosses. Other than one very weak foul call on the Alma defender, every one was justified. Several others could have been called but weren't.

[KnightSlappy]

Ensconced next to the highly esteemed KnightSlappy (just ask Dave McHugh!)

Mark 6:4

[oldknight]

Ensconced next to the highly esteemed KnightSlappy (just ask Dave McHugh!)

Mark 6:4

Actually, Ecclesiastes 7:19 applies better to you.

[Gregory Sager]

Ensconced next to the highly esteemed KnightSlappy (just ask Dave McHugh!)

Mark 6:4

Actually, Ecclesiastes 7:19 applies better to you.

Isaiah 33:18