MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Curious hypothetical, but does the MIAA have any sort of "standard penalty" (suspension next game) for a double tech / ejection? Have we seen a player or coach get booted recently?

I almost seem to recall something about T Manuel or S Hargreaves, but confess my recent memory fails me at times.

Steve Ernst got one last year against Trine.

He did serve a one game suspension shortly after, but I don't know if it was related to the technicals or the post-game shenanigans with Kzoo, or something else.
Hargraves was a couple years ago and was suspended one game.  I can't remember if that was contact with an official or not.



What Lindsey did was spectacular, but I didn't really feel he deserved a second technical last night unless there were magic words.


Aaron Tiknis would coach tonight if Lindsey doesn't.  Tiknis seems like he's going to be a good coach someday.

Hargraves suspension was indeed over contact with an official. Pretty sure there is no policy about further penalty for gettin two Ts and thus removed from the contest. Adding one would be over the top in my opinion - the coach is already being penalized by being removed from the game.

[pointlem]

The only semi far fetched one I've heard is Finlandia. They want in (and are for football). But imagine that drive either way in Jan/Feb?! Really not sure anyone else around is a fit or would want to because that would be a move up from NCCAA or, arguably due to lack of scholarships and a move down for NAIA.

Adding Finlandia for football may have made the MIAA big enough to have an automatic NCAA qualifier--but at the expense of an extra day away for student athletes . . . and to play in a (so-far) meaningless lopsided game. Surely, for the reason HoopsCoach mentions, the MIAA won't want to add Finlandia for BB.

[KnightSlappy]

The only semi far fetched one I've heard is Finlandia. They want in (and are for football). But imagine that drive either way in Jan/Feb?! Really not sure anyone else around is a fit or would want to because that would be a move up from NCCAA or, arguably due to lack of scholarships and a move down for NAIA.

Adding Finlandia for football may have made the MIAA big enough to have an automatic NCAA qualifier--but at the expense of an extra day away for student athletes . . . and to play in a (so-far) meaningless lopsided game. Surely, for the reason HoopsCoach mentions, the MIAA won't want to add Finlandia for BB.

Alma is 455 miles from Finlandia. The rest of the schools are 500+, for what it's worth.

[almcguirejr]

https://youtu.be/UQdnmV-QK4Y

The double technical on Alma Coach Lindsay occurs at about the 2:14:00 mark.  You can't really see his actions.  You can see him leaving the court with coat and tie off.  I found it interesting that he did the same thing against Albion during the regular season and Adrian won that on at the buzzer.

[Bulldog30]

Really feel like it's a toss up tonight. They split in the regular season, though Adrian is much improved from January. Both teams had to push for their wins and I feel like Adrian's win was extra emotional after Coach's double tech, along with some very tough/big shots down the stretch.

Side note...didn't know Warrick got up that high. Nice one.

Always curious about the decision at the end of the game to foul or not foul when up 3. I'm sure I could look up some analytics that say which is better overall, but I think what's best is whatever works (hindsight).

I'll take a guess that the team that's hotter from 3 wins the game. Go Bulldawgs! You'd be doing what so many teams of the past couldn't achieve. We are all cheering for you.

[Bulldog30]

Really feel like it's a toss up tonight. They split in the regular season, though Adrian is much improved from January. Both teams had to push for their wins and I feel like Adrian's win was extra emotional after Coach's double tech, along with some very tough/big shots down the stretch.

Side note...didn't know Warrick got up that high. Nice one.

Always curious about the decision at the end of the game to foul or not foul when up 3. I'm sure I could look up some analytics that say which is better overall, but I think what's best is whatever works (hindsight).

I'll take a guess that the team that's hotter from 3 wins the game. Go Bulldawgs! You'd be doing what so many teams of the past couldn't achieve. We are all cheering for you.

Well, a toss up for sure. Two 16 and 11 teams, tied at 29. Adrian got up 10 early, then Trine was the better team while Adrian's offense couldn't get very good shots. And then it got a little sloppy late. It's a nailbiter.

[Bulldog30]

Emotions flowing through as Adrian College wins its first MIAA championship...I'm shocked, not at this win, but just the entirety of it all. Amazing.

[sac]

Adrian 80 Trine 72 F

Congrats to the Bulldogs.  Pretty terrific game at Kresge, particularly the last 10 min or so, some really great stuff from both teams.  Seven MIAA programs have won either the MIAA Championship or MIAA Tournament in the last 5 seasons.  Pretty amazing.

Good luck in the tournament, not a team a host school wants to see with Adrian holding a win over an impressive Mt. Union team.

[formerd3db]

The only semi far fetched one I've heard is Finlandia. They want in (and are for football). But imagine that drive either way in Jan/Feb?! Really not sure anyone else around is a fit or would want to because that would be a move up from NCCAA or, arguably due to lack of scholarships and a move down for NAIA.

Adding Finlandia for football may have made the MIAA big enough to have an automatic NCAA qualifier--but at the expense of an extra day away for student athletes . . . and to play in a (so-far) meaningless lopsided game. Surely, for the reason HoopsCoach mentions, the MIAA won't want to add Finlandia for BB.

Alma is 455 miles from Finlandia. The rest of the schools are 500+, for what it's worth.

The only semi far fetched one I've heard is Finlandia. They want in (and are for football). But imagine that drive either way in Jan/Feb?! Really not sure anyone else around is a fit or would want to because that would be a move up from NCCAA or, arguably due to lack of scholarships and a move down for NAIA.

Adding Finlandia for football may have made the MIAA big enough to have an automatic NCAA qualifier--but at the expense of an extra day away for student athletes . . . and to play in a (so-far) meaningless lopsided game. Surely, for the reason HoopsCoach mentions, the MIAA won't want to add Finlandia for BB.

Actually, the MIAA was already had met the required minimum number of schools even without adding Finlandia  (7 schools).  For sure, though, it would be a tough situation for the drive for basketball.  However, the GLIAC schools do it and also, Finlandia really doesn't have much options.  They have to travel "the other way" i.e. Wisconsin for their other sports including hockey, so it would be a "wash" for them either way, even if they and the MIAA decided to add them for the other sports.  I agree with you, though, that I, too, don't really see other schools in the state as being options.  I doubt that any of the NAIA schools in Michigan (particularly the ones that also have football would be "a fit" for the MIAA overall and, as you indicate, it is unlikely they would want to give that status up given their current football affiliation.   So it will be interesting to see what this supposed "expansion", if it is really being considered, might involve and/or for that matter, if would really ever come to fruition.  Just my thoughts. 

[sac]

I believe when Penny mentioned expansion she was probably either talking about affiliate members for Wrestling or expansion of sports such as hockey.  (fyi it was a literal one word mention).  I could be totally wrong

I've heard no rumblings of expansion to add a permanent member.  But keep your eye on the NAIA schools around us in the future.  Remember NAIA is going to one division.  One or two of them might not like that situation, there are a couple good fits there.

[sflzman]

The only semi far fetched one I've heard is Finlandia. They want in (and are for football). But imagine that drive either way in Jan/Feb?! Really not sure anyone else around is a fit or would want to because that would be a move up from NCCAA or, arguably due to lack of scholarships and a move down for NAIA.

Adding Finlandia for football may have made the MIAA big enough to have an automatic NCAA qualifier--but at the expense of an extra day away for student athletes . . . and to play in a (so-far) meaningless lopsided game. Surely, for the reason HoopsCoach mentions, the MIAA won't want to add Finlandia for BB.

Alma is 455 miles from Finlandia. The rest of the schools are 500+, for what it's worth.

The only semi far fetched one I've heard is Finlandia. They want in (and are for football). But imagine that drive either way in Jan/Feb?! Really not sure anyone else around is a fit or would want to because that would be a move up from NCCAA or, arguably due to lack of scholarships and a move down for NAIA.

Adding Finlandia for football may have made the MIAA big enough to have an automatic NCAA qualifier--but at the expense of an extra day away for student athletes . . . and to play in a (so-far) meaningless lopsided game. Surely, for the reason HoopsCoach mentions, the MIAA won't want to add Finlandia for BB.

Actually, the MIAA was already had met the required minimum number of schools even without adding Finlandia  (7 schools).  For sure, though, it would be a tough situation for the drive for basketball.  However, the GLIAC schools do it and also, Finlandia really doesn't have much options.  They have to travel "the other way" i.e. Wisconsin for their other sports including hockey, so it would be a "wash" for them either way, even if they and the MIAA decided to add them for the other sports.  I agree with you, though, that I, too, don't really see other schools in the state as being options.  I doubt that any of the NAIA schools in Michigan (particularly the ones that also have football would be "a fit" for the MIAA overall and, as you indicate, it is unlikely they would want to give that status up given their current football affiliation.   So it will be interesting to see what this supposed "expansion", if it is really being considered, might involve and/or for that matter, if would really ever come to fruition.  Just my thoughts.

A lot of courting being done by the GLIAC to the NAIA schools in Michigan - especially the ones with football - also, so I'd think it very unlikely that any of those schools would choose to make the jump to D3 with the offer to jump to D2 instead.

[Bulldog30]

Looking at the stats, there isn't one thing that jumps out as why Adrian won.

1. Winning the rebounds battle. Adrian is not usually the best rebounding team, but they were 36 to 31, 9 to 5 offensively, leading to 14 to 6 second chance points. The biggest of those was by Kalonji with about a minute left that may have sealed it.

2. Free throws. Not as big a disparity as vs Calvin in the semis, but you can lose games from the line, but Adrian went 16 of 19 led by Kalonji's 9 for 9, and Jordan Harris 4-4, some of which were clutch one-and-ones at the end.

3. Adrian's best players were better than than Trine's best players. Kalonji and Harris were awesome. Combined stats: 16 of 36, 8 of 19 from 3, 13 of 13 from the line, 16 rebounds, and 77 of 80 minutes played. Kendall Bellamy also played well, but these were the guys. For Trine, Maurice Hunter's foul trouble caused to him to only play 25 minutes which hurt because he was an offensive weapon they sorely missed. Marcus Winters hit some big 3's and Langston Johnson played well, but didn't control the game like Kalonji and Harris.

I think it's Kalonji and especially Harris that make them a dangerous opponent in the tournament, although I'm sure they'll be an underdawg in any game they play, starting in round 1. Any theories from people like Sac as to who they'll play? (Completely uneducated guess...John Carrol...don't even know if they're in the tourney).

[sac]

Looking at the stats, there isn't one thing that jumps out as why Adrian won.

1. Winning the rebounds battle. Adrian is not usually the best rebounding team, but they were 36 to 31, 9 to 5 offensively, leading to 14 to 6 second chance points. The biggest of those was by Kalonji with about a minute left that may have sealed it.

2. Free throws. Not as big a disparity as vs Calvin in the semis, but you can lose games from the line, but Adrian went 16 of 19 led by Kalonji's 9 for 9, and Jordan Harris 4-4, some of which were clutch one-and-ones at the end.

3. Adrian's best players were better than than Trine's best players. Kalonji and Harris were awesome. Combined stats: 16 of 36, 8 of 19 from 3, 13 of 13 from the line, 16 rebounds, and 77 of 80 minutes played. Kendall Bellamy also played well, but these were the guys. For Trine, Maurice Hunter's foul trouble caused to him to only play 25 minutes which hurt because he was an offensive weapon they sorely missed. Marcus Winters hit some big 3's and Langston Johnson played well, but didn't control the game like Kalonji and Harris.

I think it's Kalonji and especially Harris that make them a dangerous opponent in the tournament, although I'm sure they'll be an underdawg in any game they play, starting in round 1. Any theories from people like Sac as to who they'll play? (Completely uneducated guess...John Carrol...don't even know if they're in the tourney).

In a tight game like that, it really came down to 3-point shooting.  Adrian was better last night.  Also thought their defense was very good the middle half of the 2nd half, at least one shot clock violation and 2 near misses, one of those Johnson hit a silky 3 at the buzzer.


As far as where for Adrian.  Host sites around us under 500 miles for Adrian are probably.....

Mt. Union
Wittenberg/Wooster/Marietta
Platteville
Wash. U/Elmhurst/North Central---maybe two of them
Brockport


I'll wait for the rest of the field to become more clear for opponents.

[Bulldog30]

Looking at the stats, there isn't one thing that jumps out as why Adrian won.

1. Winning the rebounds battle. Adrian is not usually the best rebounding team, but they were 36 to 31, 9 to 5 offensively, leading to 14 to 6 second chance points. The biggest of those was by Kalonji with about a minute left that may have sealed it.

2. Free throws. Not as big a disparity as vs Calvin in the semis, but you can lose games from the line, but Adrian went 16 of 19 led by Kalonji's 9 for 9, and Jordan Harris 4-4, some of which were clutch one-and-ones at the end.

3. Adrian's best players were better than than Trine's best players. Kalonji and Harris were awesome. Combined stats: 16 of 36, 8 of 19 from 3, 13 of 13 from the line, 16 rebounds, and 77 of 80 minutes played. Kendall Bellamy also played well, but these were the guys. For Trine, Maurice Hunter's foul trouble caused to him to only play 25 minutes which hurt because he was an offensive weapon they sorely missed. Marcus Winters hit some big 3's and Langston Johnson played well, but didn't control the game like Kalonji and Harris.

I think it's Kalonji and especially Harris that make them a dangerous opponent in the tournament, although I'm sure they'll be an underdawg in any game they play, starting in round 1. Any theories from people like Sac as to who they'll play? (Completely uneducated guess...John Carrol...don't even know if they're in the tourney).

In a tight game like that, it really came down to 3-point shooting.  Adrian was better last night.  Also thought their defense was very good the middle half of the 2nd half, at least one shot clock violation and 2 near misses, one of those Johnson hit a silky 3 at the buzzer.


As far as where for Adrian.  Host sites around us under 500 miles for Adrian are probably.....

Mt. Union
Wittenberg
Platteville
Wash. U/Elmhurst/North Central---maybe two of them
Brockport


I'll wait for the rest of the field to become more clear for opponents.

If you believe that tourney design likes interesting matchups, then Adrian at Mt. Union makes sense.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Adrian is probably going to have to stay east due to second weekend considerations.  I think sending them to Brockport would be cool, but that might be too far east for the second weekend.  I'm thinking it's likely Mt. Union.  Not sure yet whether Witt will host or not.