MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I never actually said it was one sided and don't believe it was, far from it.

Agreed - and I loved your analogy by the way!

Trine played an outstanding 2nd half (I'm sure the Hope coaches would say poor Hope defending had a lot to do with that), but the turnaround form the 1st half was pretty incredible.  Look at PPP (points per possession). 

For the game:

Hope: 1.15
Trine: 1.31

1st half

Hope: 1.09
Trine: 0.87

2nd half

Hope: 1.18
Trine: 1.69

I was actually surprised that Hope did better in the 2nd offensively, but Trine - nearly doubled their first half production.  For two teams that have played pretty good defense all year (Trine was holding teams to 0.96 PPP and Hope was holding teams to 1.04) this was anything but that.

[sac]

I never actually said it was one sided and don't believe it was, far from it.

Looks like someone else did, my apologies.
Then I disagree with that person's take...

He didn't either really.


I'll explain.  The first half of this game was really fun.  Two teams with very similar offensive and defensive style played a tight back and forth game.  It was hard to score, but you could score.  It was just, ya know hard, you had to work for it, like it should be.  There were 16 fouls and 10 free throws total.  For the most part the game had flow.  The only reason Hope led by 10 was Trine didn't score in the last 3 or 4 minutes

Somewhere inside the MTI at halftime, probably over tea and orange wedges it was decided that any time the ball arrived in the low post a foul should be called.  For the most part, save the first 5 minutes of the second half, that was true.  Just about every time the ball reached the low post in any manner it was a foul on both ends of the court.  Now Trine has a 6-5 F that Hope had a hard team dealing with, Trine's strategy was to pound the ball inside and Geller converted more than he didn't or was fouled, or both.  Hope's interior defense slowly accumulated too many fouls to affectively defend.  Its noted both Hope's starting "bigs" fouled out of the game.  Eventually Trine could find some nice simple cuts and a much more wide open lane because Hope could no longer get in front of or clog up anything inside the paint.

On Hope's offensive end, they chose to isolate Evan Thomas most of the time.  This is more of a personnel issue because Hope doesn't really have a low post player in the traditional sense, but as TUAngola pointed out, it also works because not many have been able to really stop him much.   Same things, ball enters the post off of drives in this case, and its basket, foul or both.  Now being a guard, Thomas was defended by not shockingly guards.   So Trine's foul accumulation was placed on their guards and really did not affect their ability to defend in the low post.  Their one disqualification was a guard.  They could still double, clog up the lane, it resulted in maybe 3 or 4 times when Hope didn't get a score or foul.  3 or 4 possessions, in a 3 or 4 possession game.

It was just two teams presented the same condition, just about any time a ball entered the post in the second half it was gonna be a foul.  Trine could pound it in there more affectively than Hope could and that was the difference in a very good game.

There were 31 fouls and 39 free throws in the second half.  There was no flow at all, and a really long stretch somewhere in the middle where I swear the ball never crossed the center line more than once without a whistle.   Why the change?  I don't know, these kinds of games are always a mystery.  But one team was built better to deal with it and they took advantage of it, kudos to them.

[HOPEful]

I very carefully worded my response to say, "manner in which the refs called a game heavily favored one team over another."

This is NOT the same as saying one sided. There were 31 called fouls in the second half compared to 16 called in the first. They were called very evenly, both halves. But the two halves themselves were extremely different.

Hope was up 11 at half. They lost by 7. The "manner in which the refs called" the second half catered to Trine's overall game much more than Hope's. You all are a finicky bunch that I swear is at times looking to be offended. I picked up three negative karma for either laughing at sac's long metaphor or suggesting Trine has the best livestream in the MIAA. My guess... is one was from the latter and the other two from my calvin friends that just realized they haven't given me negative karma in a minute and it was overdue. My positive karma is still slightly higher than my negative, so it probably was overdue.

[Gregory Sager]

I picked up three negative karma for either laughing at sac's long metaphor or suggesting Trine has the best livestream in the MIAA. My guess... is one was from the latter and the other two from my calvin friends that just realized they haven't given me negative karma in a minute and it was overdue. My positive karma is still slightly higher than my negative, so it probably was overdue.

This post is the MIAA board equivalent of taping a "KICK ME" sign to your own back.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I picked up three negative karma for either laughing at sac's long metaphor or suggesting Trine has the best livestream in the MIAA. My guess... is one was from the latter and the other two from my calvin friends that just realized they haven't given me negative karma in a minute and it was overdue. My positive karma is still slightly higher than my negative, so it probably was overdue.

This post is the MIAA board equivalent of taping a "KICK ME" sign to your own back.

Not just the MIAA equivalent - I learned YEARS ago that complaining anywhere about karma is among the fastest ways to get smited ever invented!

[almcguirejr]

What are the tie breakers to determine seeding for the MIAA tournament?

[HOPEful]

I picked up three negative karma for either laughing at sac's long metaphor or suggesting Trine has the best livestream in the MIAA. My guess... is one was from the latter and the other two from my calvin friends that just realized they haven't given me negative karma in a minute and it was overdue. My positive karma is still slightly higher than my negative, so it probably was overdue.

This post is the MIAA board equivalent of taping a "KICK ME" sign to your own back.

Not just the MIAA equivalent - I learned YEARS ago that complaining anywhere about karma is among the fastest ways to get smited ever invented!

Me too! But I like to poke the bear. And it wasn't a complaint.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I picked up three negative karma for either laughing at sac's long metaphor or suggesting Trine has the best livestream in the MIAA. My guess... is one was from the latter and the other two from my calvin friends that just realized they haven't given me negative karma in a minute and it was overdue. My positive karma is still slightly higher than my negative, so it probably was overdue.

This post is the MIAA board equivalent of taping a "KICK ME" sign to your own back.

Not just the MIAA equivalent - I learned YEARS ago that complaining anywhere about karma is among the fastest ways to get smited ever invented!

Me too! But I like to poke the bear. And it wasn't a complaint.

OK!   I like your style!

But after 50 years of poking the bear, I've gotten tired of the claw marks.

[sac]

What are the tie breakers to determine seeding for the MIAA tournament?

I think we might luck out and everyone completes their schedules.  A few of these would need interpretations without a full double round-robin.

1.  Head-to-head
2.  combined record vs team ahead in standings
3.  record against individual teams in descending standings
4.  total conference road wins
5.  road record against each team start at top
6.  record in 2nd half of season
7.  in-region win total
8.  coin toss

Trine's two wins over Albion are HUGE for them.  Obviously if Calvin beats Trine, that becomes a big tie-break for Calvin. 

[sac]

I very carefully worded my response to say, "manner in which the refs called a game heavily favored one team over another."

This is NOT the same as saying one sided. There were 31 called fouls in the second half compared to 16 called in the first. They were called very evenly, both halves. But the two halves themselves were extremely different.

Hope was up 11 at half. They lost by 7. The "manner in which the refs called" the second half catered to Trine's overall game much more than Hope's. You all are a finicky bunch that I swear is at times looking to be offended. I picked up three negative karma for either laughing at sac's long metaphor or suggesting Trine has the best livestream in the MIAA. My guess... is one was from the latter and the other two from my calvin friends that just realized they haven't given me negative karma in a minute and it was overdue. My positive karma is still slightly higher than my negative, so it probably was overdue.

My bad, I forgot how wading into the stream of creativity disturbs the bottom and brings undesirable things to the surface around here.

[oldknight]

What are the tie breakers to determine seeding for the MIAA tournament?

Tie-breakers are based on a ranking of each school's PA person.

[HOPEful]

But after 50 years of poking the bear, I've gotten tired of the claw marks.

But these bears don't have claws. They have maroon colored glasses and antiquated dogma.

[sac]

So anyway, I'm pretty sure it hit the sprinkler head in the center of the fairway which lays on a downslope.

[Gregory Sager]

What are the tie breakers to determine seeding for the MIAA tournament?

Tie-breakers are based on a ranking of each school's PA person.

[wiz]

Not everyone is as smooth as the MIAA public address announcers.

https://youtu.be/W45DRy7M1no