MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[HOPEful]

Hoopsville just gleaned that Calvin was ranked ahead of Heidelberg by the RAC.

Calvin = 19-7-0 (0.731); 6-5 (0.545) vRROs; 0.541 SoS
Heidelberg = 18-7-0 (0.720); 5-5 (0.500) vRROs; 0.562 SoS

Pretty much a coin flip. If Calvin hopped Heidelberg, the win over Trine was the difference. They will have done so despite a lower SoS and despite Heidelberg holding the best win between them with their 91-72 win at Mount Union.

[KnightSlappy]

Welp, Calvin is IN and will play St. John's at UW-Platteville as predicted.

Hope will play Wheaton at Washington U.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Wow, what a first round game for Hope versus WeeeTUN!  The Dutchmen did play in the WashU tourney back in Dec (lost to St Thomas TX and beat Hendrix in OT) so they have some familiarity with the gym (although Clayton was sick and didn't even make the trip, and ET missed the 2nd game).   

[sac]

Its a really good bracket I think.


Calvin is the MIAA's first Pool C that didn't win the league and lose in the tournament, kind of a legit at-large birth.  Also the first one not named Hope.

[KnightSlappy]

Its a really good bracket I think.


Calvin is the MIAA's first Pool C that didn't win the league and lose in the tournament, kind of a legit at-large birth.  Also the first one not named Hope.

Calvin had a Pool C in 2006. I think that was their only Pool C in the expanded era. They were regular season champs but Hope won the tournament.

[sac]

Its a really good bracket I think.


Calvin is the MIAA's first Pool C that didn't win the league and lose in the tournament, kind of a legit at-large birth.  Also the first one not named Hope.

Calvin had a Pool C in 2006. I think that was their only Pool C in the expanded era. They were regular season champs but Hope won the tournament.

I think my data only goes back to when we started using this current criteria.  2006 seems like QOWI territory, but I don't remember.

[KnightSlappy]

Its a really good bracket I think.


Calvin is the MIAA's first Pool C that didn't win the league and lose in the tournament, kind of a legit at-large birth.  Also the first one not named Hope.

Calvin had a Pool C in 2006. I think that was their only Pool C in the expanded era. They were regular season champs but Hope won the tournament.

I think my data only goes back to when we started using this current criteria.  2006 seems like QOWI territory, but I don't remember.

That might have still been QoWI, you're right. I'm not 100% sure when that switch happened anymore. I do know that was the first time the tournament expanded (it was 59 teams I think, on its way to 64).

[Gregory Sager]

Its a really good bracket I think.


Calvin is the MIAA's first Pool C that didn't win the league and lose in the tournament, kind of a legit at-large birth.  Also the first one not named Hope.

Calvin had a Pool C in 2006. I think that was their only Pool C in the expanded era. They were regular season champs but Hope won the tournament.

That was one of those we're-sick-of-seeing-you-guys seasons in which there were four iterations of The Rivalry (two in the regular season, another in the MIAA tourney title game, and another in the second round of the D3 tourney).

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Its a really good bracket I think.


Calvin is the MIAA's first Pool C that didn't win the league and lose in the tournament, kind of a legit at-large birth.  Also the first one not named Hope.

Calvin had a Pool C in 2006. I think that was their only Pool C in the expanded era. They were regular season champs but Hope won the tournament.

That was one of those we're-sick-of-seeing-you-guys seasons in which there were four iterations of The Rivalry (two in the regular season, another in the MIAA tourney title game, and another in the second round of the D3 tourney).

Followed by 06-07 when we got to meet 5 times!

[ziggy]

Its a really good bracket I think.


Calvin is the MIAA's first Pool C that didn't win the league and lose in the tournament, kind of a legit at-large birth.  Also the first one not named Hope.

Calvin had a Pool C in 2006. I think that was their only Pool C in the expanded era. They were regular season champs but Hope won the tournament.

That was one of those we're-sick-of-seeing-you-guys seasons in which there were four iterations of The Rivalry (two in the regular season, another in the MIAA tourney title game, and another in the second round of the D3 tourney).

I'd have to go back to recall the exact years but this was all too common in that era. There was the four-meeting year where Hope hosted a pod, Calvin beat UW-LaCrosse in the first round to set up the fourth meeting of the season. The worst was the five-meeting year before the GRSHOF changed formats then Hope and Calvin met in the second round after Calvin "upset" host Aurora in the first round. Thank goodness bracketing has much improved since then.

[Gregory Sager]

Its a really good bracket I think.


Calvin is the MIAA's first Pool C that didn't win the league and lose in the tournament, kind of a legit at-large birth.  Also the first one not named Hope.

Calvin had a Pool C in 2006. I think that was their only Pool C in the expanded era. They were regular season champs but Hope won the tournament.

That was one of those we're-sick-of-seeing-you-guys seasons in which there were four iterations of The Rivalry (two in the regular season, another in the MIAA tourney title game, and another in the second round of the D3 tourney).

Followed by 06-07 when we got to meet 5 times!

Yep, the season that your fifth meeting took place on our side of the lake at Aurora's Thornton Gym, which allowed a large delegation of CCIW fans that included posters such as myself, Bob Quillman, Pete McBride, and the late Dave "Wheaton C" Lawrenz, to head over to Aurora and sit in the Thornton stands in a carefully-chosen section wedged between the Hope and Calvin contingents that we dubbed "Switzerland". It was a fun experience that, for a lot of us CCIW types, is still probably the only time we've ever witnessed a live Rivalry game (although it wasn't much of a contest, as Hope won by 16).

I remember sac telling me that day that by that point it felt like a little of the Rivalry juice had gone out of it from the sheer exhaustion of having to play each other for the fifth time in a little over three months.

[sac]

Hope v Wheaton will tip at 4:20pm EST

Calvin v St. John's will tip at 5:30pm EST

[KnightSlappy]

Its a really good bracket I think.


Calvin is the MIAA's first Pool C that didn't win the league and lose in the tournament, kind of a legit at-large birth.  Also the first one not named Hope.

Calvin had a Pool C in 2006. I think that was their only Pool C in the expanded era. They were regular season champs but Hope won the tournament.

That was one of those we're-sick-of-seeing-you-guys seasons in which there were four iterations of The Rivalry (two in the regular season, another in the MIAA tourney title game, and another in the second round of the D3 tourney).

I'd have to go back to recall the exact years but this was all too common in that era. There was the four-meeting year where Hope hosted a pod, Calvin beat UW-LaCrosse in the first round to set up the fourth meeting of the season. The worst was the five-meeting year before the GRSHOF changed formats then Hope and Calvin met in the second round after Calvin "upset" host Aurora in the first round. Thank goodness bracketing has much improved since then.

Yes, in those days it seemed they strictly put teams close in proximity together. Those back-to-back years of Calvin and Hope ending up in the same pod was awful. Stinks to get to the national tournament only to see a team you've already played 4+ times.

Thankfully they would never do that anymore. They put much more focus on mixing regions and expanding the geography as much as possible within the mileage. In this way they've actually come a long way toward Div.1. They don't put teams from the same conference in a pod as a rule (unless isolated geography is a problem, sorry Region 10), and they even try to avoid first weekend rematches as much as possible (and they try to avoid sending teams to the same sites in back-to-back years). The brackets are so much better now than they used to be.

And hey, this year if they meet again it will be in Ft. Wayne!

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Its a really good bracket I think.


Calvin is the MIAA's first Pool C that didn't win the league and lose in the tournament, kind of a legit at-large birth.  Also the first one not named Hope.

Calvin had a Pool C in 2006. I think that was their only Pool C in the expanded era. They were regular season champs but Hope won the tournament.

That was one of those we're-sick-of-seeing-you-guys seasons in which there were four iterations of The Rivalry (two in the regular season, another in the MIAA tourney title game, and another in the second round of the D3 tourney).

I'd have to go back to recall the exact years but this was all too common in that era. There was the four-meeting year where Hope hosted a pod, Calvin beat UW-LaCrosse in the first round to set up the fourth meeting of the season. The worst was the five-meeting year before the GRSHOF changed formats then Hope and Calvin met in the second round after Calvin "upset" host Aurora in the first round. Thank goodness bracketing has much improved since then.

Yes, in those days it seemed they strictly put teams close in proximity together. Those back-to-back years of Calvin and Hope ending up in the same pod was awful. Stinks to get to the national tournament only to see a team you've already played 4+ times.

Thankfully they would never do that anymore. They put much more focus on mixing regions and expanding the geography as much as possible within the mileage. In this way they've actually come a long way toward Div.1. They don't put teams from the same conference in a pod as a rule (unless isolated geography is a problem, sorry Region 10), and they even try to avoid first weekend rematches as much as possible (and they try to avoid sending teams to the same sites in back-to-back years). The brackets are so much better now than they used to be.

And hey, this year if they meet again it will be in Ft. Wayne!

Totally agree about the mixing the regions.  The accomplished the same ont he women's side this year with both Hope and Trine hosting this weekend, but would only meet each other in the final four

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Both Massey and KnightSlappy's data predict some close games for the MIAA:

Massey: Hope 73 Wheaton 77
KS: Hope 76 Wheaton 78

Massey: Calvin 69 St Johns 72
KS: Calvin 67 St Johns 70