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oldknight

Calvin with a comfortable win over Augsburg, despite some rust. Even though the Knights committed a ridiculous 11 turnovers the first half -- most them silly and unforced -- they held a comfortable 39-17 lead at half and cruised home from there. In addition to a double/double, Egekeze showed his usual stifling defensive play. Some Calvin fans asked me when Varnado would be in the starting lineup. As it turned out, today was the day. I think we're going to see at least two freshmen starters for Calvin the rest of the season.

tartanpride2016

Mixed bag for Alma tonight down in Wittenberg. Lost 93-90. While yes, they had several opportunities to put the game away, you can't help but question the insane bias of one of the officials in this game. You cannot call a foul on the last play of that game, unless it's blatant and obvious. In my opinion, it was not. That same ref (the other two refs did a fine job) was on the whistle of every controversial call throughout the night. Hate when a "TV Teddy" wants to steal the spotlight. The best refs exist in the background...

It's another frustrating loss for the Scots, who come off blowing a 20+ lead against Kenyon on the weekend. Now 3-5 on the year, with three tough games left in 2022 (Ohio Wesleyan, Otterbein, possibly Manchester). Fitzpatrick is going to build this program in due time, and the guys are playing hard every night for him. But, tonight would have been a HUGE win for the program, on the road at the winningest D3 program of all time...5-3 was only a pair of possessions away...

Gregory Sager

Quote from: tartanpride2016 on December 19, 2022, 10:45:15 PM
Mixed bag for Alma tonight down in Wittenberg. Lost 93-90. While yes, they had several opportunities to put the game away, you can't help but question the insane bias of one of the officials in this game. You cannot call a foul on the last play of that game, unless it's blatant and obvious. In my opinion, it was not.

Good officials call the game in the final ten seconds the exact same way that they called it in the previous 39:50. If something was a foul at the five-minute mark of the game, it ought to be a foul at the buzzer as well -- and a no-call five minutes in should be a no-call at the end of the game, too.
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tartanpride2016

Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 19, 2022, 11:46:47 PM
Quote from: tartanpride2016 on December 19, 2022, 10:45:15 PM
Mixed bag for Alma tonight down in Wittenberg. Lost 93-90. While yes, they had several opportunities to put the game away, you can't help but question the insane bias of one of the officials in this game. You cannot call a foul on the last play of that game, unless it's blatant and obvious. In my opinion, it was not.

Good officials call the game in the final ten seconds the exact same way that they called it in the previous 39:50. If something was a foul at the five-minute mark of the game, it ought to be a foul at the buzzer as well -- and a no-call five minutes in should be a no-call at the end of the game, too.

I agree, I am all for consistency throughout by officials. But if he is bad for 39:50, do we want consistency that produces another blown call in the final ten seconds?

KnightSlappy

Quote from: tartanpride2016 on December 20, 2022, 08:16:29 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 19, 2022, 11:46:47 PM
Quote from: tartanpride2016 on December 19, 2022, 10:45:15 PM
Mixed bag for Alma tonight down in Wittenberg. Lost 93-90. While yes, they had several opportunities to put the game away, you can't help but question the insane bias of one of the officials in this game. You cannot call a foul on the last play of that game, unless it's blatant and obvious. In my opinion, it was not.

Good officials call the game in the final ten seconds the exact same way that they called it in the previous 39:50. If something was a foul at the five-minute mark of the game, it ought to be a foul at the buzzer as well -- and a no-call five minutes in should be a no-call at the end of the game, too.

I agree, I am all for consistency throughout by officials. But if he is bad for 39:50, do we want consistency that produces another blown call in the final ten seconds?

I was watching the end of the Alma-Wittenberg hoping for an MIAA victory, and that final call was really really tough. I watched it back several times and, while I think the Wittenberg shooter sold it really well, it was difficult to say it was a flop or even a no call based on the camera angle and the bench players all standing up the entire play. I think that call gets made more often than not.

Gregory Sager

I agree. The camera angle made it difficult to assess exactly how much contact was made, if any.
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itsnotmeitsyou

Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 20, 2022, 10:27:14 AM
I agree. The camera angle made it difficult to assess exactly how much contact was made, if any.
That was NOT a foul. The official reacted to the shooter falling to the floor. That play belonged on the pitch at Lusail Stadium in Doha, Qatar - not on the court inside Pam Evans Smith Arena.

Gregory Sager

Were you there? If you weren't, then you didn't get any better of a look at that play than any of the rest of us did.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

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Pat Coleman

Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 20, 2022, 01:26:04 PM
Were you there? If you weren't, then you didn't get any better of a look at that play than any of the rest of us did.


Nah, man -- you know. He always knows better than anyone else.
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Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 20, 2022, 02:23:16 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 20, 2022, 01:26:04 PM
Were you there? If you weren't, then you didn't get any better of a look at that play than any of the rest of us did.


Nah, man -- you know. He always knows better than anyone else.

Yes he does, as he will proceed to tell you now at least a dozen times.  Just thankful that at least we don't have to put up with it in the MIAA room on a regular basis like over in CCIW land.   
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KnightSlappy

Calvin loses to Wooster by 2 after leading by 14 at the half. Far too many turnovers in this one for Calvin as they slowly bled the lead away.
This could end up being one that costs a Pool C bid if Calvin cannot win the MIAA AQ.


sac

Ohio Wesleyan 99 Alma 91 OT    two brutally tough and similar losses for the Scots in 2 days.  Led Witt by 7 with 1:40, led OWU by 6 with :23   Both days missed FT's in the last few possessions and on both days a foul on a 3-point shooter on the last shot of regulation.

Adrian 77 Wittenberg 73 F
Mid second half rally put Adrian ahead and they hung on.  Nick Seifert with a couple huge plays in the final minute to push the Dogs over the line.



In regards to the Alma/Witt foul on Monday, I saw very little contact to warrant a foul, and its seems extremely rare a fouled 3pt shooter is able to overshoot the basket when contacted with the body or on the arm.  Live I thought maybe he caught wrist, on replay its to difficult to tell but the flight of the ball and strength of the shot just doesn't say his shooting motion was impeded.    You may not have noticed that Tyshaun Walker who the foul was called on received a post game technical foul, essentially for chasing down the officials and having some words after the game.   Walker did not start today's game.  I wasn't able to watch the 3pt foul today, I'd be curious to see it but I don't think Witt will archive an Alma/OWU game.  Brutal way to lose both games.


Pretty good weekend for both Adrian and Alma even if they didn't necessarily get results.  Adrian is still playing a little shorthanded.  The additions of CC transfers Conner Riley and Tyshaun Walker make the Scots an interesting team to tangle with.  Wouldn't write off either for a top 4 MIAA finish





pointlem

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Massey's "most likely" final score: NC 75, Hope 74 nailed the final margin--and almost the final score. But it couldn't capture the excitement of the finish.

NC fans could object that, with 9 seconds left, the ref whistled a NC flop rather than a Hope charge. But as things played out, the whistle did stop the play and preclude a wide open Clayton Dykhouse 3-point attempt, and allow NC to set up its half-court defense.

Nor could Massey capture an all-American level performance by Matt Helwig, whose agility, elevation, and shooting finesse earned him 30 points. Hat's off to his performance, which brought to mind Hope alum Steve Cramer, and his similar ability to elevate and create shots.

An exciting game on a par with last year's NC/Hope overtime game . . . with each team coming away with a win. Hope can now, hopefully toughened by a rigorous pre-league schedule, look forward to the January return of Tim Schoonveld's defense and of Hope's own pre-season all-American, Evan Thomas.