MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

Flying Dutch Fan · February 06, 2025, 09:01:05 AM

Quote from: sac on February 05, 2025, 11:34:56 PMReally nice win for Hope over Trine, that boxscore is a thing of beauty.

It truly is - but it certainly didn't start that way. Hope had 10 TOs in the first 12 minutes of play, and as pointlem said, many were simply thrown to no one. Hope righted that ship, and committed 3 TOs the rest of the game. Add in our reliable offensive rebounding and the extremely pleasant 18-22 from the FT line!

Another real anomoly in this game from a Trine perspective was their opponents A/TO ratio. In league games thus far, teams averaged a 0.55 A/TO and the best any MIAA team had done against the Thunder was 0.73 by Olivet back on 1/11. Last night Hope's was 1.31

Kudos to Hovey for a great game, and to a truly gutsy perfomance by Quillan - fighting back issues (anyone who has ever had to suffer with that would easily recognize the gait and grimace of back issues he showed ) yet he logged 32 min of very physical play and ended with 17 and 8

Flying Dutch Fan · February 06, 2025, 09:54:53 AM

2025 recruit - Ayden Dirschell 6-2 SG Coldwater (MI) to Trine

Dutchfan · February 06, 2025, 04:43:12 PM

What I noticed last night was that Trine seemed to throw in the tower quite early. With 3:43 left in the game, Trine pulled their starters. I understand they were down by 16 at that point, but a couple of big shots and they could've been back in it, or at least made a good run at it. But they pulled their starters.

I understand the odds were vastly against them, but it just doesn't mesh with the "never give up, never surrender" attitude that you usually see from teams of this caliber.

Gregory Sager · February 06, 2025, 04:56:01 PM

Quote from: Dutchfan on February 06, 2025, 04:43:12 PMWhat I noticed last night was that Trine seemed to throw in the tower quite early. With 3:43 left in the game, Trine pulled their starters. I understand they were down by 16 at that point, but a couple of big shots and they could've been back in it, or at least made a good run at it. But they pulled their starters.

I understand the odds were vastly against them, but it just doesn't mesh with the "never give up, never surrender" attitude that you usually see from teams of this caliber.

Brooks Miller knows exactly what he should've done.

Greek Tragedy · February 06, 2025, 05:44:42 PM

Quote from: Dutchfan on February 06, 2025, 04:43:12 PMWhat I noticed last night was that Trine seemed to throw in the tower quite early. With 3:43 left in the game, Trine pulled their starters. I understand they were down by 16 at that point, but a couple of big shots and they could've been back in it, or at least made a good run at it. But they pulled their starters.

I understand the odds were vastly against them, but it just doesn't mesh with the "never give up, never surrender" attitude that you usually see from teams of this caliber.

Considering what they did to Platteville in the Elite 8 last year, not sure why they would do that either. They were down 16 at that time, but...

sac · February 06, 2025, 10:54:39 PM

Trine began subbing out even earlier if the box is correct.

Megnanglo fouled out at 8:35, Hope was up 12 at that point.
Tucker subbed out at 7:30, the lead was 15
----Tucker had just missed a layup and committed a turnover in about 3 trips, he was dog tired
Smylie and Pahl (6th man) subbed out at 5:48, Hope had just pushed the lead to 16 on a Schoonveld 3.

This left Cam Smith and Jayce Cusack as the last remaining starters of the night on the court, they subbed off with Montiel at 3:43 Hope was up 16 soon to be 17

Trine outscored mostly the end of Hope's bench 12-3 from the point.

Given the way the middle of the 2nd half had played out a comeback seem improbable.

The big shots just didn't fall, between Magnanglo's foul out and the final sub out of a starter Trine went 1-4 from 3 and made no dent in Hope's lead of 12 and lost more ground to 17. It just wasn't going to happen.

I don't know how long Drew Moore will be out, maybe team self preservation was part of the decision process.

oldknight · February 08, 2025, 04:51:23 PM

I don't think I've ever posted on a game while it was still being played, but Calvin's win (though not the final score) has been obvious for some time. Calvin began the game with some easy baskets, including a couple of threes, and Adrian decided to throw in the towel early. Calvin has become a superb defensive team, and forced some difficult looks that the Bulldogs couldn't turn down. The Knights led 52-18 at half, pulled out to a 40 point lead, and is presently ahead 78-41 with just over 6 minutes left. It's been garbage time for both team the entire half.

Happy Calvin Guy · February 08, 2025, 05:43:26 PM

Great to see James Felton and Daane Harvey back seeing game action after injuries. Hope to see Trevin Winkle return soon too. Any word on the severity of his ankle?

Also glad that Parker Swartz was not injured after the dirty foul by Adrian today. It was good that the ref issued some sort of technical/flagrant foul to signal that type of dangerous play is not acceptable.

Happy Calvin Guy · February 11, 2025, 01:25:58 PM

A year ago yesterday Olivet beat eventual national champion Trine by double figures. Coach Hargraves brings his team ready to play every game. Kretschman seems to be emerging as one of the top freshman in the MIAA--I thought he was impressive in the game at Van Noord and he has had other great games recently (e.g. 17/17/9/5 steals vs Alma). Calvin is playing well lately but they can't take Olivet lightly tomorrow night. Hope's victory over Trine gave Calvin the gift of a 2 game lead in MIAA and it sure would be nice to maintain that.

sac · February 13, 2025, 11:56:34 AM

Playoff stuff

Calvin -- need 1 win or Trine loss to secure top seed and host

Trine -- In like flynn, can still win the league or tie or finish 3rd, but probably not

Hope -- pass the gIN

Olivet -- In

Adrian and Albion -- happen to play each other Saturday, winner is likely in but not guaranteed yet unless Kzoo and/or Alma lose Saturday, loser just has to win again or Kzoo/Alma lose again.

Kzoo -- still alive, but dude. Would need at least 2 wins, win a tie-breaker or loser of the Adrian/Alma game go winless from here. Chances, slim.

Alma -- New highwater mark and still kicking. Need to win out and need Adrian/Albion loser to never win again AND win that tie-break which may not be possible.

Overall seeding can still swing alot of ways like a bad golfer.

ziggy · February 14, 2025, 12:48:33 PM

For any Calvin fans wondering about a "rooting guide" as games play out down the stretch, here is what I have come up with.

Root for Calvin to win any game they play. Duh.

Root for all of Calvin's non-conference opponents to win. Again, kind of duh, but the higher up the ranks any opponent can go the better the wins will look and the less the hit taken for the losses.

In games not involving Calvin, it is probably to their benefit for Hope and Trine to not stumble again. Both teams are currently in range for the added "quality win bonus" so a loss by either would be more detrimental than a normal conference game where things "come out in the wash" with one team losing and one team winning.

It would also be beneficial for Adrian to not lose either of their games against Alma or Kalamazoo. The Alma wins are currently excluded from Calvin's resume because they are beyond the minimum wins dial and adding in those additional wins would hurt Calvin's overall NPI. That means the Alma win the other night was bad news as Calvin saw no benefit while their win against Kalamazoo took a hit. Ideally now both the games against Alma AND Kalamazoo will fall off Calvin's resume while Adrian looks a little better.

Greek Tragedy · February 15, 2025, 04:01:56 AM

Isn't the quality of win bonus NPI 53.00? I know Hope is just above that, but Trine is at 62+. I'm not the expert though. LOL

ziggy · February 15, 2025, 09:27:32 AM

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 15, 2025, 04:01:56 AMIsn't the quality of win bonus NPI 53.00? I know Hope is just above that, but Trine is at 62+. I'm not the expert though. LOL

Yes, there is a quality win bonus for defeating any team with an NPI above 53.0 (for MBB). The higher that team is above the baseline, the higher the bonus received.

Greek Tragedy · February 15, 2025, 11:12:55 AM

That's what I thought, but you mentioned Trine and I thought that was odd because they are way above that threshold. Hope is really close, so I understand that concern.

ziggy · February 15, 2025, 11:46:14 AM

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 15, 2025, 11:12:55 AMThat's what I thought, but you mentioned Trine and I thought that was odd because they are way above that threshold. Hope is really close, so I understand that concern.

In the case of Trine it isn't a matter of losing the quality win bonus but wanting that quality win bonus to be worth as much as possible. The higher the win, the higher the bonus.