MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[hope1]

this is the 1st time ever i am going to root for calvin this week   

if hope goes 2-0 this week what are the chances they host next week

[big_yellow_hat]

quote author=gohope link=topic=4397.msg496430#msg496430 date=1141069534]

Big Yellow Hat (which I am going to assume has gone over one's eyes too)  - To my knowledge the NCAA mandates how tickets are given out.

I just thought it will be interesting to see where each school will be seated considering how the sections are laid out at Devos.

[big_yellow_hat]

If both Hope and Calvin win their first round games will this be the first time they will have met in the NCAA tournament? (I've only been following for about 7 years and can't remember any)

[mjfasteenwolf]

I've got a serious question I was discussing at work today and I thought this was the best place to get it answered. Heres the dillema, we were trying to figure out who would win a matchup of the Hope Womens bball team, vs. the Calvin mens team. We were having trouble coming up with an answer but decided it would probably be a toss up, giving the advantage to whoever had home court. Heres a few of the matchups that would be seen and who I give the advantage too:

Julie Henderson Vs. Caleb Veldehouse- Slight edge to Veldehouse just because he shaves his legs more often, he also has a better outside jumper, but Julie is better at getting to the hole.

Bria Ebels Vs. Kyle Trewhella- You have got to go Bria on this one, better outside shooter, quicker, shes a better defender, and I'd take her over anyone on either one of these teams in the clutch, except maybe Veldehouse.

Jordyn Boles Vs. Andy Draayer- Pretty even, slight edge to Boles, she can hit an outside shot with somebody in her face and Draayer can't. She also plays great d, gets a lot of steals and deflections. Also  knows how to get to penetrate better than Draayer.

Stacy Warsen Vs. Kyle Snoeyink- Warsen might be a little stronger, but I give a slight advantage to Kyle. Pretty even on the boards and defensively but Snoeyink is a little better shooter. Warsen does know how to do the little things though.

Linda Ebels Vs. Josh Meckes- Once again pretty even, no advantage either way, both score and rebound well. Meckes does have the better leaping ability/shot blocking though.

Bench- Depth is clearly and advantage for the Hope Women, Wood, Noll, and the rest of the girls could dominate Zoerhof, Smith, Chappel, and whoever else KVS runs in off their weak bench.

Coaching- Wow, what a matchup, 2 of the best around at what they do, cannot give an advantage here, they both know how to win.

Overall- Pretty even, slight edge to the Hope Women, but I think home court would be the deciding factor. Nuetral court I go with Hope though.

[ziggy]

this is the 1st time ever i am going to root for calvin this week   

if hope goes 2-0 this week what are the chances they host next week

I thought I read that a school couldn't host two weekends anymore.  I could be wrong and don't have the motivation to try to find out for sure.

[devossed]

this is the 1st time ever i am going to root for calvin this week   

if hope goes 2-0 this week what are the chances they host next week

Should be pretty good unless Wittenberg makes a better case.

[ziggy]

If both Hope and Calvin win their first round games will this be the first time they will have met in the NCAA tournament? (I've only been following for about 7 years and can't remember any)

Calvin beat Hope in the tournament in 1987, 1990, 1991, and 1992.  From what I can tell, Calvin is 4-0 in tournament games against Hope.

[gohope]

Would someone please give some karma to mjfasteenwolf.  That post was hysterical!!!  Thanks for the humor on this overcast (weatherwise) day. 

[AndersDY]

If both Hope and Calvin win their first round games will this be the first time they will have met in the NCAA tournament? (I've only been following for about 7 years and can't remember any)

This would be the 5th meeting in the NCAAs. The first since they did it 3 in a row in '90, '91, and '92. One of the teams has yet to beat the certain other team in the national tournament, but since the current players were still in elementary school when those last meetings occured, hopefully we are far enough removed from that history.

As to if the sectional will be in Holland, I'm sure the NCAA would love to showcase the DeVos, but if Wittenberg survives this weekend, they would be a likely preferable location. In order to host, Hope should probably root for Wooster, not-Witt, and for the fourth team to be one that will be over 500 miles from all possible sites so will have to fly no matter what (Trinity or Mississippi probably). I will gladly root hard for Wooster and for anyone but Witt.  

[devossed]

If both Hope and Calvin win their first round games will this be the first time they will have met in the NCAA tournament? (I've only been following for about 7 years and can't remember any)

1987 Calvin 92, Hope 80 (Regional)
1990 Calvin 95, Hope 68 (2nd round)
1991 Calvin 89, Hope 84 ot (2nd round)
1992 Calvin 91, Hope 88 (2nd round)
2006 (2nd round) -- do we see a pattern of being screwed by the NCAA committees here?

1991-92 was arguably the best teams ever to come from each of the schools (All-Americans and future pro stars Honderd, Gugino, Elliott) and many thought that they should've met much later (even in the title game) to merit such dominance over the rest of the regional teams...

[albionbritfan]

I thought maybe it was a bad dream.  I thought I wasn't seeing well because it was early in the morning.  So I did some work, had a lunch meeting, got back in, did some more work.

I went back to the site to look...

And I still can't believe there are people that made these decisions?!  Maybe they let a group of monkeys loose in a room and had them throw darts.  I can't wait until we're in Salem so I can get these guys on the air and go "What the %*$# were you $%*#$ thinking when you #$%#&$ picked these $$#*#$  teams?!"

John,

I love your energy and enthusiasm, but we'll never get this thig fixed. I have to think, if rather than buisness as usual, if the NCAA tried to find venues in areas that these teams played in (ie. DeVos) that could host large events, and tried to get more seats filled (to make more money) they might consider a bracket more like DI. But again we all know that is a pipe dream. So in the mean time, lets continue to enjoy the Midwest and GL teams rolling to Salem and continue winning the majority of championships.

I try to enjoy it, but when I think there there are legitimately 2, if not 3 or 4 of the best teams in the country in this region, it makes me so mad that they are all going to face each other so soon.

And let's not forget the teams that didn't even get in.  I'll let Albion slide because they finished third and had a couple of iffy losses, but how does ONU not get in at 21-6 after losing to BW in OT?!

The reality is that both of these teams are better than the majority of the teams in the tournament.  Of course, leaving them out just saves another GL team from potentially getting upset.

The bottom line is that the best teams need to be in the tournament and the best teams need to be spread out so that they all have the best chance of getting to Salem.  They earned that right by being one of the best.

Arguably Albion had no iffy regional losses, which is the only criteria for your "beloved" committee.  It's four losses in-region were to Hope and Calvin.  And Albion beat B-W on a neutral site.  Honestly, I think it's a total tossup between the two but it is totally moot at this point.

[John Rusnak]

I thought maybe it was a bad dream.  I thought I wasn't seeing well because it was early in the morning.  So I did some work, had a lunch meeting, got back in, did some more work.

I went back to the site to look...

And I still can't believe there are people that made these decisions?!  Maybe they let a group of monkeys loose in a room and had them throw darts.  I can't wait until we're in Salem so I can get these guys on the air and go "What the %*$# were you $%*#$ thinking when you #$%#&$ picked these $$#*#$  teams?!"

John,

I love your energy and enthusiasm, but we'll never get this thig fixed. I have to think, if rather than buisness as usual, if the NCAA tried to find venues in areas that these teams played in (ie. DeVos) that could host large events, and tried to get more seats filled (to make more money) they might consider a bracket more like DI. But again we all know that is a pipe dream. So in the mean time, lets continue to enjoy the Midwest and GL teams rolling to Salem and continue winning the majority of championships.

I try to enjoy it, but when I think there there are legitimately 2, if not 3 or 4 of the best teams in the country in this region, it makes me so mad that they are all going to face each other so soon.

And let's not forget the teams that didn't even get in.  I'll let Albion slide because they finished third and had a couple of iffy losses, but how does ONU not get in at 21-6 after losing to BW in OT?!

The reality is that both of these teams are better than the majority of the teams in the tournament.  Of course, leaving them out just saves another GL team from potentially getting upset.

The bottom line is that the best teams need to be in the tournament and the best teams need to be spread out so that they all have the best chance of getting to Salem.  They earned that right by being one of the best.

Arguably Albion had no iffy regional losses, which is the only criteria for your "beloved" committee.  It's four losses in-region were to Hope and Calvin.  And Albion beat B-W on a neutral site.  Honestly, I think it's a total tossup between the two but it is totally moot at this point.

Doesn't the Tri-State loss count as an in-region loss?  Even still, I agree that their losses are "good" losses and that there is no question they deserve to be playing this week.  They would beat at least half of this field, if not 75%

And givn the history of Hope/Calvin matchups in the tournament, I guess I'm not so surprised that they could see each other in round 2.  Apparently the evolutionary process of the committee stalled somewhere in the 70's.

[sac]

Wow, lots to read today and many interesting posts.

First, I want to say lets take a deep breath people.............ok good.

Now, I'm pleased, thrilled, excited to see Hope get to host in their brand spanking new home.  Its what we in Oragne and Blue all hoped we'd get.

Kudos to Pat and Co. for nailing Hope's first round matchup.  I'm not surprised at all to see  Calvin coming to Holland and it really shouldn't surprise anyone else.  

...and Kudos to the NCAA for taking advantage of their new Fri/Sat format and moving teams around much more liberally than ever before.  Look, we may not like the way its stacked in this region right now but the fact that there are about 12 teams in the tournament closer to Holland than LaCrosse tells me the NCAA has made a legit attempt to balance things out a little better.  Its not perfect and we'll still get a killer Sectional out of this but its a heck of lot better than seeing Hope play Wooster in the 2nd round like Albion did last year.


Now about this bracket itself.........I think its comical I just read 5 pages of posts about next Saturday's Hope/Calvin matchup.  

#1  LaCrosse is good team from a STRONG conference.  They've beaten a number of regionally ranked or regionally recognized  teams such as Whitewater, Stout, Carleton, Lakeland and St. Thomas.  They beat Lakeland by virtually the same margin Hope did......but I bet they didn't trail by 8 late in the game.   This will be a serious test for Calvin.

#2 and people may chuckle at this but look at WLC's results......not a single blowout.  They ;may not have a great record but I venture Hope won't blow these guys out by 30 like a couple have mentioned.  They're obviously playing good basketball to roll off the streak their on.


#3 tickets...........There's no way UW-LaCrosse and Lutheran are going to come anywhere near selling their allotment of tickets, almost 600 for two schools, one barely averages 600 the other dreams of 600.


On to other things.......just by looking at the brackets I'm guessing  Wittenberg is in line to host the Sectional.

Its and interesting bracket with technically 3 MIAA teams.......of course only 2 play football.

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I will be interested to see if Hope's cheerleading squad will conform to the rules set forth in the Division III Men's Basketball Championship Handbook.  This document clearly states that cheerleading stunts are no more than two persons high.  Current routines would be in clear violation.

[sac]

Clearly thats a page in the handbood Calvin can skip.