MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[realist]

Andersdy:  Calvin lost to Witt. that fateful night in 95.  No big surprise there.  I don't recall the matchups after the first round.   It became a moot point.  I do recall Hope was very highly rated going into the tourney, and they played that game at the Dow.

[miaafan2]

For the first game on Friday night, I'll definitely be cheering for Calvin.  As for the second game, my allegiance will definitely be with Hope.

A few years ago, I could not have said this, as I firmly believed in "never cheer for your rival no matter who they play".  Perhaps this was learned from my childhood memories of my dad ALWAYS cheering for Michigan and NEVER cheering for Ohio State in football!

Having said this, I've had the experience over the last few years that while I enjoy competition as much as anyone, once the athletic contest is over, it is over.  My self esteem is not changed by whether "my" team won or lost, and I certainly hope that none of the player's self esteem has been changed, at least in the long run.

I have had a great experience over the last few years with MIAA basketball.  At times, I've cheered for Albion, Hope, and Calvin.  I look forward to doing so again this weekend.  And, I'll miss the opportunity to cheer for Albion, even though I know that they probably should still be playing, even though there are a few good reasons why they are not.

[John Rusnak]

Frankly the best/most talented team does not win every tournament or game.    After Calvin got defeated in the 90 tournament I recall several fans from the other schools saying they felt Calvin was the best team there.

You don't even have to go back that far to prove this point...just travel back to Salem about 11 months and 2 weeks ago.

[northb]

For the first game on Friday night, I'll definitely be cheering for Calvin.  As for the second game, my allegiance will definitely be with Hope.

A few years ago, I could not have said this, as I firmly believed in "never cheer for your rival no matter who they play".  Perhaps this was learned from my childhood memories of my dad ALWAYS cheering for Michigan and NEVER cheering for Ohio State in football!

Having said this, I've had the experience over the last few years that while I enjoy competition as much as anyone, once the athletic contest is over, it is over.  My self esteem is not changed by whether "my" team won or lost, and I certainly hope that none of the player's self esteem has been changed, at least in the long run.

I have had a great experience over the last few years with MIAA basketball.  At times, I've cheered for Albion, Hope, and Calvin.  I look forward to doing so again this weekend.  And, I'll miss the opportunity to cheer for Albion, even though I know that they probably should still be playing, even though there are a few good reasons why they are not.

I agree.  I have no problem cheering for the 2nd best school in the nation, as long as they are not playing Calvin (or that the game does not have an affect on Calvin's standing).  Our schools have way more similarities than differences, and we should not let a rivalry get in the way of supporting a pretty good institution.  But I am still reluctant (not saying I won't) to commit to cheering for Hope should they make it to the Championship game.  Even though it is old, "Where's your banner?" is still effective.  I'd be interested in the opinions of the other Knights' faithful fans.

[gohope]

"The shock of Baldwin Wallace '95 is unmatched." (Andersdy)

Hey SAC -  Did Hope play Baldwin Wallce???  (Sorry about the bad humor, but after a VERY long morning at work I couldn't resist)  

My next question would be similiar to a scene in the movie "Field of Dreams."  Its near the end when Mark (Timothy Burfield) asks his sister Annie (Amy Madigan) and his brother-n-law Ray (Kevin Kostner), where did all these players come from?(When he finally "gets it!")  SAC - When did Hope get transfers?

[oldknight]

Frankly the best/most talented team does not win every tournament or game.    After Calvin got defeated in the 90 tournament I recall several fans from the other schools saying they felt Calvin was the best team there.

You don't even have to go back that far to prove this point...just travel back to Salem about 11 months and 2 weeks ago.

I don't quite agree. I thought Stevens Point was the best team at Salem last year and that Calvin was the second best--though not by a lot. On the right night Calvin could have beaten Stevens Point but SP was quite deserving of  its championship.

[oldknight]

For the first game on Friday night, I'll definitely be cheering for Calvin.  As for the second game, my allegiance will definitely be with Hope.

A few years ago, I could not have said this, as I firmly believed in "never cheer for your rival no matter who they play".  Perhaps this was learned from my childhood memories of my dad ALWAYS cheering for Michigan and NEVER cheering for Ohio State in football!

Having said this, I've had the experience over the last few years that while I enjoy competition as much as anyone, once the athletic contest is over, it is over.  My self esteem is not changed by whether "my" team won or lost, and I certainly hope that none of the player's self esteem has been changed, at least in the long run.

I have had a great experience over the last few years with MIAA basketball.  At times, I've cheered for Albion, Hope, and Calvin.  I look forward to doing so again this weekend.  And, I'll miss the opportunity to cheer for Albion, even though I know that they probably should still be playing, even though there are a few good reasons why they are not.

I've had the same experience. At the risk of being accused of patting myself on the back I chalk it up to gaining maturity over the years--or maybe it's just getting old--but I will root for any MIAA team engaged in NCAA play until they face the Knights. Even if Calvin wins the first game I want Hope to win game 2 even though a Wisconsin Lutheran win would make Calvin's advancement to sectional play a much more likely prospect. I offer no "Hope" anyway to Wisconsin Lutheran who finished 4th in Calvin's early season tournament, a tournament  which the Knights won quite easily at a time of the year when Calvin's players were still learning one another's names.

It seems to me that if you have any conference pride at all you would want any of your regular season conference foes to get into and do well in NCAA play because, if for no other reason, it speaks well of the competition your team plays during the regular season. If you disrespect your MIAA opponent so much that you wouldn't want them to do well in the NCAA's then why do you even want to be in the same conference with that school's team?

[flash96]

Thinking back I can recall Hope, Calvin, Albion ('05), and Kalamazoo ('96) making the NCAA tournament.  But when was the last time one of the other schools made the "big dance"?  I understand that Tri-State was in the NAIA, therefore not in the NCAA system.  So what about Alma, Adrian, and Olivet.  I am guessing that Olivet has never made the post season.  Anyone have any answers?

[oldknight]

Thinking back I can recall Hope, Calvin, Albion ('05), and Kalamazoo ('96) making the NCAA tournament.  But when was the last time one of the other schools made the "big dance"?  I understand that Tri-State was in the NAIA, therefore not in the NCAA system.  So what about Alma, Adrian, and Olivet.  I am guessing that Olivet has never made the post season.  Anyone have any answers?

Kalamazoo's appearance in 96 (a loss to Hope) is the only time a conference team other than Albion, Calvin or Hope has played a NCAA tournament game. The MIAA website, www.miaa.org/mbb has a link labeled "MIAA in the NCAA" if you are interested in conference results in the NCAA's if you're interested. Actually, Albion was the first MIAA team to ever advance to NCAA play, getting to the Final Four in either 78 or 79.

[dren]

Thinking back I can recall Hope, Calvin, Albion ('05), and Kalamazoo ('96) making the NCAA tournament.  But when was the last time one of the other schools made the "big dance"?  I understand that Tri-State was in the NAIA, therefore not in the NCAA system.  So what about Alma, Adrian, and Olivet.  I am guessing that Olivet has never made the post season.  Anyone have any answers?

http://www.miaa.org/mbb/mbbncaa.html

1999  Otterbein 104, Defiance 90 (First Round)

former MIAA'r Defiance made the big dance in '99... and failed to make it past the 1st round

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Anybody else out there got the DT's from lack of games?

After the flurry of 3 games in 4 days, I'll be all the way through detox before 6pm Friday gets here.  Maybe I can find some 3rd grade rec league games to watch 

[oldknight]

Thinking back I can recall Hope, Calvin, Albion ('05), and Kalamazoo ('96) making the NCAA tournament.  But when was the last time one of the other schools made the "big dance"?  I understand that Tri-State was in the NAIA, therefore not in the NCAA system.  So what about Alma, Adrian, and Olivet.  I am guessing that Olivet has never made the post season.  Anyone have any answers?

http://www.miaa.org/mbb/mbbncaa.html

1999  Otterbein 104, Defiance 90 (First Round)

former MIAA Defiance made the big dance in 99... and failed to make it past the 1st round

You're right. I forgot about Defiance (being an oldknight, I can't imagine why?).

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Thinking back I can recall Hope, Calvin, Albion ('05), and Kalamazoo ('96) making the NCAA tournament.  But when was the last time one of the other schools made the "big dance"?  I understand that Tri-State was in the NAIA, therefore not in the NCAA system.  So what about Alma, Adrian, and Olivet.  I am guessing that Olivet has never made the post season.  Anyone have any answers?

http://www.miaa.org/mbb/mbbncaa.html

1999  Otterbein 104, Defiance 90 (First Round)

former MIAA Defiance made the big dance in 99... and failed to make it past the 1st round

You're right. I forgot about Defiance (being an oldknight, I can't imagine why?).

oldknight - I think the style of Definace's play and the hurt Chad Kahle put on everyone in the MIAA created a mental block for a lot of us   

[Shareef23]

Places to go in the Roenoke-Salem metropolitan area boils down to one, Cornbeef & Hash. Honestly, the best bar I have ever been to. It has great food and the atmosphere after say 9 or 10 might be a little harsh for those who are over 30 or married. Pretty sure as well, that about all the Rochester team was there after their loss to SP.

[oldknight]

oldknight - I think the style of Definace's play and the hurt Chad Kahle put on everyone in the MIAA created a mental block for a lot of us   

FDF--If there is anything that helps me identify with a Hopester's pain and the "game that shall not be mentioned" its the memory (or nightmare) of Defiance in 99. I feel your Dutch pain.   (one weeping yellow face for me and one for you).