MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I have a question regarding Karma since I'm a relative new poster again. To my knowledge none of my posts resorted to name calling. I assume the word "Jerk" by some of my fellow posters will earn them some negative Karma? If not, I suggest there is something terribly wrong with the system.

Your karma is entirely at the whim of those posters who have 200+ posts.  Anyone with that status can applaud (give positive karma) or smite (give negative karma).  Any given poster can only applaud or mite you once in an 18 hour period.

The fact that you were called a jerk could have a negative impact on the name caller, unless of course you really are a jerk, which would have a negative impact on you.  It's really up to the posters to decide.  

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Limited number of tickets also now on sale at Calvin's box office beginning @ 9 this morning that we received from Hope. Thanks Dutch for your Christian generosity! Oh sorry, just NCAA rules. But, at least you're abiding by them.

IIRC, when the Calvin hosted the game at Van Andel, it took your school a while to sell all of the tickets to alums but you did your best not to share more than the number of agreed to tickets to Hope.  

Let's not rewrite the VanAndel game history.  Hope pretty much thought Calvin was nuts moving its home game to the Arena and reluctantly agreed at the outset to buy a certain number of tickets (fewer tickets than the initial offer Calvin made).  Then when the tickets started going like crazy they came back to ask for more which Calvin no longer had.  I say this not because I have any problem with how Hope is handling tickets for this weekend.  I think they're doing exactly what they should and that's great.  But I dislike the comparison to how Calvin handled the VanAndel game because it is inaccurate.  In addition Calvin talked to Hope about Hope moving its home game that season, or the next, to the Van and controlling the ticket distribution, but Hope was reluctant to do that and, as we know, "the game" has never been at the Van since.

Another difference is that the game at the Van Andel was actually Calvin's home game.  Since when does the home team ever give away tickets to the visiting squad to sell (other than the comp tickets for family, etc.)?  

Since Hope and Calvin came to an agreement years ago about giving the visiting team some fixed percentage of the tickets.  There are 1 or 2 sections of season ticket holders at Hope who have to move to other seats for the Calvin games because of this.   I don't know if this was followed for the Van Andel game or not

[knightmoves]

As someone famous once said, you should have to get to know someone 1st before judging them. But anyone can think whatever they want. I am at peace with who I am.
P.S. - I hope the unbelievable upset happens tonight so I can read all of the Dutch fans whining tomorrow. LOL.

[tniem]

Limited number of tickets also now on sale at Calvin's box office beginning @ 9 this morning that we received from Hope. Thanks Dutch for your Christian generosity! Oh sorry, just NCAA rules. But, at least you're abiding by them.

IIRC, when the Calvin hosted the game at Van Andel, it took your school a while to sell all of the tickets to alums but you did your best not to share more than the number of agreed to tickets to Hope. 

Let's not rewrite the VanAndel game history.  Hope pretty much thought Calvin was nuts moving its home game to the Arena and reluctantly agreed at the outset to buy a certain number of tickets (fewer tickets than the initial offer Calvin made).  Then when the tickets started going like crazy they came back to ask for more which Calvin no longer had.  I say this not because I have any problem with how Hope is handling tickets for this weekend.  I think they're doing exactly what they should and that's great.  But I dislike the comparison to how Calvin handled the VanAndel game because it is inaccurate.  In addition Calvin talked to Hope about Hope moving its home game that season, or the next, to the Van and controlling the ticket distribution, but Hope was reluctant to do that and, as we know, "the game" has never been at the Van since.

kcrest,

Fair enough.  As I stated, it was if I recalled correctly, which I clearly did not.  I am happy to accept what you stated, which does not change my point that the host school has an obligation to distribute a cetain percentage of tickets to the guest schools and for their own fans should keep the rest (if there is demand).  I would assume that when Calvin hosts the tourney they would do the same.

Also, regarding a return to a Hope-Calvin game at Van Andel, I sincerely hope that Hope reciprocates in the near future.  But I am not sure that will happen until GVW retires as he seems to desire that home game a lot.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

As someone famous once said, you should have to get to know someone 1st before judging them.

That's the second time you've said that - and yet still haven't practiced it yourself 

[AndersDY]

I don't know that I would want to make a game at the Van Andel a regular occurence. Maybe once a decade or something just for the novelty, but I found the excitement to be missing. Sure everyone got to go to the game, but it was extremely quiet compared to the more cramped gyms the game is normally in, I recall barely hearing the pep bands. And you know that the opposing fans are over there because the stands are orange or maroon, but all the fans aren't face to face right over the court. Chanting "where's your banner" or "drive home safely" doesn't quite have that zing if you can't even see the people youre razzing. Just saying you can draw 11,000 to a game is fun, but that game felt like one of those "do it once to say you did it" kind of experiences.

[northb]

Limited number of tickets also now on sale at Calvin's box office beginning @ 9 this morning that we received from Hope. Thanks Dutch for your Christian generosity! Oh sorry, just NCAA rules. But, at least you're abiding by them.

IIRC, when the Calvin hosted the game at Van Andel, it took your school a while to sell all of the tickets to alums but you did your best not to share more than the number of agreed to tickets to Hope.

Let's not rewrite the VanAndel game history. Hope pretty much thought Calvin was nuts moving its home game to the Arena and reluctantly agreed at the outset to buy a certain number of tickets (fewer tickets than the initial offer Calvin made). Then when the tickets started going like crazy they came back to ask for more which Calvin no longer had. I say this not because I have any problem with how Hope is handling tickets for this weekend. I think they're doing exactly what they should and that's great. But I dislike the comparison to how Calvin handled the VanAndel game because it is inaccurate. In addition Calvin talked to Hope about Hope moving its home game that season, or the next, to the Van and controlling the ticket distribution, but Hope was reluctant to do that and, as we know, "the game" has never been at the Van since.

kcrest,

Fair enough. As I stated, it was if I recalled correctly, which I clearly did not. I am happy to accept what you stated and it does not change, which does not change my point that the host school has an obligation to distribute a cetain percentage of tickets to the guest schools and for their own fans should keep the rest (if there is demand). I would assume that when Calvin hosts the tourney they would do the same.

Also, regarding a return to a Hope-Calvin game at Van Andel, I sincerely hope that Hope reciprocates in the near future. But I am not sure that will happen until GVW retires as he seems to desire that home game a lot.

Didn't Hope win that Van Andel game?  Somewhat of an upset? If I recall correctly, Calvin never got in sync during that game.  Maybe the outcome has influenced the teams, as well.  I can see GVW (man of integrity) would not want to give up the home court advantage he has had this year.  Should we call it a "streak" (as opposed to a "Streek"), or would that be a jinx?

I don't know that I would want to make a game at the Van Andel a regular occurence. Maybe once a decade or something just for the novelty, but I found the excitement to be missing. Sure everyone got to go to the game, but it was extremely quiet compared to the more cramped gyms the game is normally in, I recall barely hearing the pep bands. And you know that the opposing fans are over there because the stands are orange or maroon, but all the fans aren't face to face right over the court. Chanting "where's your banner" or "drive home safely" doesn't quite have that zing if you can't even see the people youre razzing. Just saying you can draw 11,000 to a game is fun, but that game felt like one of those "do it once to say you did it" kind of experiences.

Maybe it should not be done again until the record is threatened/surpassed by some other venue.

[Civic Minded]

As someone famous once said, you should have to get to know someone 1st before judging them. But anyone can think whatever they want. I am at peace with who I am.
P.S. - I hope the unbelievable upset happens tonight so I can read all of the Dutch fans whining tomorrow. LOL.

As soon as you can figure out that lines like the "P.S." above are inflamatory (regardless of the quantity of smiley faces), you might not lose so much karma.   

(Why can't I leave the troll alone???  Why??? )   

[AndersDY]

It certainly is quite a streak for the DeVos as both men and women are undefeated there and, last I heard at least (any confirmation?), in the home games when the JVs have played in the arena, those men and women are also both undefeated. If true that's quite a run. Hopefully we can protect it this weekend and maybe get a chance to utilize it the following weekend.

Maybe it should not be done again until the record is threatened/surpassed by some other venue.

And who is going to give another run at a 5 digit attendence number? Who might IWU matchup with so they could even approach that number from the game at the VanAndel?

(You know, all this talk of west Michigan venues has me itching for some off-brand pyramid-scheme goods...)

[knightmoves]

Flying Dutch Fan - I knew what you were going to say as I was typing the P.S. You don't get it - Lose Karma or Gain Karma - "It just doesn't matter"
In fact it even matters less to me now that I know it is at the subjective whims of only 3 posters. I have as mutch chance of gaining positive Karma as the U.S. skaters do with a Russian judge!

[Flying Dutch Fan]

(You know, all this talk of west Michigan venues has me itching for some off-brand pyramid-scheme goods...)

Hilarious

[Sturdevant]

I know that the DeVos Fieldhouse has been jokingly called "The Dick" by some Calvin fans.  I for one kind of like having a nickname for the new digs. 

What are Hopes chances of hosting next weekend (assuming) they hold court today and tomorrow.

[AndersDY]

I would like Hope's chances to host against a sectional of say Baldwin Wallace, Wooster, and Mississippi. They would probably be the top Great Lakes seed left at that point, the NCAA wouldn't want to fly all three to Miss, and they would have to fly Miss no matter which of the other 3 locations they choose so taking the northern-most doesn't affect that. I keep getting the impression Wittenberg has the inside track for the sectional if they advance because they are more centralized, but maybe the NCAA will like "The Dick" just enough to showcase it with the sectional anyway.

Ignoring that possibility, to get next weekend in Holland, I would say we should root against Wittenberg (something I whole-heartedly support anyway) root for Mississippi or Trinity (also a guaranteed flyer) to advance, and root against Transylvania (who the NCAA might like seeding-wise and might be close enough to the other schools to host).

[arena]

As someone famous once said, you should have to get to know someone 1st before judging them. But anyone can think whatever they want. I am at peace with who I am.
P.S. - I hope the unbelievable upset happens tonight so I can read all of the Dutch fans whining tomorrow. LOL.

Don't let the, what appears to be, the karma police get to you.  I have no problems with your posts.

[albionbritfan]

Obviously this post has nothing to do with MIAA basketball, but if Calvin's hockey team wins today the championship game broadcast tomorrow will be available on the Calvin sports website.  Puck is set to drop at 12:15 EST for the title tilt.  Calvin would have to get past Northwood today.  Hope made a nice run in the tourney but fell yesterday to Wright State. 

Calvin has a hockey team but deems football as too violent a sport.....brilliant.  It seems curling would be more Calvin's speed for ice sports.

Good luck to Hope AND Calvin this weekend.  Preferably I would like to see Calvin win the first round just to take some air out of the whole WIAC supremacy thing.  Plus having an MIAA tilt in the NCAAs in West Michigan seems like it would make for some good buzz this weekend.  At that point, I would have to take Hope on the home wood.