MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

almcguirejr · March 21, 2006, 03:44:56 PM

Trivia Time

Mark Veenstra's High School team lost the State Championship in 1973. The opposing team was coached by someone who later won a DI national championship in football. Who was the Coach?

hope1 · March 21, 2006, 03:55:17 PM

i would go with eric elliot to pass the ball and shoot 3

almcguirejr · March 21, 2006, 04:00:39 PM

Quote from: calvin_grad on March 21, 2006, 03:38:21 PM
I don't have enough knowledge of the history of the MIAA to suggest anyone before 1990. Any thoughts out there on a point guard and a shooting guard?

I believe Willie Dawkins was a guard. He played for Alma. He was all conference for 4 years. Unfortunately for Willie he played the same 4 years as Veenstra. I think there are
very few players who have been all conference for 4 years.

jfebus · March 21, 2006, 04:15:19 PM

Trivia Time

Mark Veenstra's High School team lost the State Championship in 1973. The opposing team was coached by someone who later won a DI national championship in football. Who was the Coach?

That would be Bill McCartney of Dearborn Divine Child who later served as the D. Coordinator for the U. of Michigan football team and then as the head football coach at the U. of Colorado where he won a national title. Our friend Good Knight had a front-row seat for that 1973 tournament game between Unity Christian and Divine Child.

kcrest · March 21, 2006, 04:43:41 PM

Quote from: jfebus on March 21, 2006, 04:15:19 PM
Trivia Time

Mark Veenstra's High School team lost the State Championship in 1973. The opposing team was coached by someone who later won a DI national championship in football. Who was the Coach?

That would be Bill McCartney of Dearborn Divine Child who later served as the D. Coordinator for the U. of Michigan football team and then as the head football coach at the U. of Colorado where he won a national title. Our friend Good Knight had a front-row seat for that 1973 tournament game between Unity Christian and Divine Child.

Wow. Got the one of the best SIDs in the country weighing in on d3hoops trivia!

Nice work Mr. Febus. I'm not sure what your prize is though. I like the three pics for the team so far too - hard to argue with M Veenstra, S Honderd and F Brady. I will make a pitch for Randy Morrison of Olivet to be considered. He didn't play four years for his dad at the sweet O though so maybe that eliminates him. But that kid could play. Wow. He started at MSU on a full ride and then left to play for Gary.

kcrest · March 21, 2006, 04:46:34 PM

Hard to argue with Holstege too. It was nice to see him graduate.

almcguirejr · March 21, 2006, 04:50:10 PM

Quote from: jfebus on March 21, 2006, 04:15:19 PM
Trivia Time

Mark Veenstra's High School team lost the State Championship in 1973. The opposing team was coached by someone who later won a DI national championship in football. Who was the Coach?

That would be Bill McCartney of Dearborn Divine Child who later served as the D. Coordinator for the U. of Michigan football team and then as the head football coach at the U. of Colorado where he won a national title. Our friend Good Knight had a front-row seat for that 1973 tournament game between Unity Christian and Divine Child.

Mr. Febus you are a man of wisdom and knowledge. Your prize is the beverage of choice
from your own refrigerator. I should have named this DUTCH TREAT TRIVIA.

goodknight · March 21, 2006, 04:52:19 PM

That 1973 Unity Christian team was unbelievably talented throughout the starting lineup, but they were totally outcoached that day by Mr. Promise Keeper.

kcrest · March 21, 2006, 04:55:59 PM

Quote from: goodknight on March 21, 2006, 04:52:19 PM
That 1973 Unity Christian team was unbelievably talented throughout the starting lineup, but they were totally outcoached that day by Mr. Promise Keeper.

Not even unity can top a divine child ...

realist · March 21, 2006, 04:57:31 PM

Gosh Jeff, you are 100 % correct. Must be you don't have much to do during spring break. Nice to see you know what is being dscussed on this board. I think many of the newcomers don't really appreciate what the MIAA was before the 80's or 90's. Today's players may be better athletes, but when it comes to the fundamentals (of the game of b-ball) few of them hold a ghost of a chance against guys from the 50-70's. Think of this past year without the 3 point shot (or when dunks were outlawed) when M. Phelps scored 56 points in one game or the above mentioned game where Floyd Brady had 33 in the first half. Those guys were awesome, and they didn't carry the ball, or palm the ball, or flop, or whine, or wear baggy shorts etc. etc. etc.

Bob MacKenzie · March 21, 2006, 04:59:49 PM

Quote from: hope1 on March 21, 2006, 03:55:17 PM
i would go with eric elliot to pass the ball and shoot 3

With all due respect to Elliot, I'd pick Joel Holstege ahead of him. Hope has had a lot of good guards over the last 25 years--who probably look better because they've had great teams around them. Brett Quayle could be your designated 3 baller.

As long as we're looking back in time, any of you older Knight fans remember Tom Cooper? Didn't have great Calvin teams around him but was pretty acrobatic and a plenty entertaining dunker in the open court.

almcguirejr · March 21, 2006, 05:02:03 PM

Quote from: realist on March 21, 2006, 04:57:31 PM
Gosh Jeff, you are 100 % correct. Must be you don't have much to do during spring break. Nice to see you know what is being dscussed on this board. I think many of the newcomers don't really appreciate what the MIAA was before the 80's or 90's. Today's players may be better athletes, but when it comes to the fundamentals (of the game of b-ball) few of them hold a ghost of a chance against guys from the 50-70's. Think of this past year without the 3 point shot (or when dunks were outlawed) when M. Phelps scored 56 points in one game or the above mentioned game where Floyd Brady had 33 in the first half. Those guys were awesome, and they didn't carry the ball, or palm the ball, or flop, or whine, or wear baggy shorts etc. etc. etc.

I agree with almost everthing stated above except I don't miss those "hot pants" type shorts of yesteryear.

kcrest · March 21, 2006, 05:02:23 PM

Quote from: realist on March 21, 2006, 04:57:31 PM
Gosh Jeff, you are 100 % correct. Must be you don't have much to do during spring break. Nice to see you know what is being dscussed on this board. I think many of the newcomers don't really appreciate what the MIAA was before the 80's or 90's. Today's players may be better athletes, but when it comes to the fundamentals (of the game of b-ball) few of them hold a ghost of a chance against guys from the 50-70's. Think of this past year without the 3 point shot (or when dunks were outlawed) when M. Phelps scored 56 points in one game or the above mentioned game where Floyd Brady had 33 in the first half. Those guys were awesome, and they didn't carry the ball, or palm the ball, or flop, or whine, or wear baggy shorts etc. etc. etc.

Not sure what baggy shorts has to do with anything.

I sort of prefer them to the old, tight shorts of the 80s. Yikes. Watcging old Celtics footage still makes me cringe. I do think that the athlete factor you describe is pretty accurate. But also that the defenses of today sometimes make the offenses look worse than they really are. I was watching Calvin in the 80s and we were pretty bad back then so I can't really say how the teams from the 80s, 70s, 60s, etc would compare to today's MIAA.

realist · March 21, 2006, 05:12:59 PM

Goodknight: Sadly you are correct. However, it wasn't just during the game, but the week before DDC's coach had a 6'10" gifted player role play Mark so his guys knew how to handle a super star.
Just threw in the baggy shorts to see what sort of response I would get.

My point would be in the old days if you touched a player you risked getting a foul. No hand checks period. Yes, the defense today is pretty good, but take away touching, slapping etc. what do you have? My bet is the teams from M Veenstra's era would do very well against todays teams, IF, you used and called the game (fouls, traveling, palming, no dunks, carries etc)l as done in that era. In the game when M. Phelps scored 56 points he was shooting from all over the court.

oldknight · March 21, 2006, 05:23:53 PM

Realist is right, we're not even considering some of the greats from more than 40 years ago, players like Hope's Ray Ritsema, a two time league MVP, and no one has mentioned Tom Newhof, a 6'9" post player and Calvin's first All-American. I would like to see these guys in their prime although the game and how it is officiated has changed a lot making comparisons more difficult. But they were the best of their era.

Personally, I find it real hard to keep Phelps off my all-time team. He was an amazing player although Eric Elliot compares quite favorably. It would a tough call on who to start at the point if both were on my roster. Mickey's career high was "only" 53 (Veenstra had 56).

Willie Dawkins was a great player and deserved to be a 4 time all-league player, but I don't remember him playing guard. He was a rugged 6'3" power forward who was often matched up against Calvin's Larry VanderVeen, a similar type player. Dawkins also was a pretty good track athlete (hurdles I think) and if he had been about 3 inches taller he would have been a starter at some Big Ten school.