MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[SBell]

The 5-second call was weak.

Even more egregious, and potentially an all-time historical blunder, came in the Class B semifinals when Flint Southwestern sent Detroit Renaissance into overtime on a last-second three-pointer. Southwestern had six players on the court for the final play, but the refs didn't notice.

[diehardfan]

A lot of the CCIW golf coaches are tied to the various hoops programs as well. Augustana's men's golf coach is men's basketball head coach Grey Giovanine.... And North Park's golf teams are coached by men's basketball head coach Paul Brenegan (men's golf)

Oh man, the head coaching job of a sport that goes on while you are still in your key recruitment phases for the next year? Ouch. It's not like the head coaches get a ton of money to begin with, coaching a whole other sport probably provides a lot of pressure. 

Wheaton's men's golf coach is also their men's soccer coach. That strikes me as a really weird combo, for some reason.

Greg, perhaps the soccer/golf combo sounds weird because until recently, golf was the essence of a culture white people sport... when I think golf, I still think middle-aged white men playing it while talking over business.Tiger Woods and his successors have done a lot to change that image, but it's still there, nevertheless. Soccer, while embraced by European countries as well, is the heart and soul of sports world in most Asia, Africa, and South American countries. When I was living in Ghana, in the poor neighborhood I lived in, it was soccer that the kids all played in front of the house nonstop at all hours. Just try to picture them practicing playing golf anyone can understand how silly that idea is.

Or to be a little more simplistic, it could just be that golf teams often play a few games in the middle of fall, right smack in the middle of the soccer season.  For a school like Wheaton, who prides itself in its soccer history, that is indeed a weird thing to have the soccer coach do.

[AndersDY]

www.d3golf.com

Very nice, you caught me well enough that I thought it was worth clicking to make sure it wasn't actually there.

I can see we have slid into off-season form, so I'll probably be scarce around here once again as I await football season. Someone make sure to email me if there is a D3hoops golf outing though.

[Sturdevant]

www.d3golf.com

Got me wondering, what other sports have sites for d3?  Obviously, Pat runs these sites for basketball and football.  Most here could probably care less, but there is a fairly well traveled swimming site at...

www.d3swimming.com

[Pat Coleman]

I've watched that site with some interest. Glad to see someone else has the dedication to put a site together like that.

There was a Division III soccer site at www.d3soccer.net that has basically cut itself down to nothing but a message board. D3baseball.com was started in the Internet heyday and never got off the ground.

[formerd3db]

Well, Pat, I think you've done more than your share for us.  The two sites you provide is a big undertaking and business; you've added the other sport message boards which is a nice gift to us and with all of those (fb, bb + other sports) it will keep all of busy enough (and hopefully out of trouble! ).  Thanks for providing the venue.  I think you can let someone else do the soccer and baseball.com's  (I'm sure your wife will appreciate it too!!!)

[Facenorth]

I am a regular on d3swimming.com  Well, 346 posts strong anyhow.  That may give away who I am but I guess I'm not that worried about it.  One thing I do really enjoy about that site is how easy it is to navigate from thread to thread in a given topic.  Meaning if we wanted to talk about why KVS and GVW were at a game recruiting, that would be its own topic and if you want to talk about who got shafted on All MIAA voting that could be a different thread all within the MIAA forum.  Makes it a little easier to keep up on certain topics when the forums are going crazy and you go away for a weekend and have 11 pages to catch up on.  I am a big fan of both sites and many thanks to Pat Coleman and all the others on this site and Derek Jansen and the others at d3swimming.com

[dren]

I thought the d3 swimming board was called http://www.kenyon.edu/index.xml

[Gregory Sager]

A lot of the CCIW golf coaches are tied to the various hoops programs as well. Augustana's men's golf coach is men's basketball head coach Grey Giovanine.... And North Park's golf teams are coached by men's basketball head coach Paul Brenegan (men's golf)

Oh man, the head coaching job of a sport that goes on while you are still in your key recruitment phases for the next year? Ouch. It's not like the head coaches get a ton of money to begin with, coaching a whole other sport probably provides a lot of pressure. 

Not really. Golf is not a high-pressure sport at most D3 schools. I don't think NPU even recruits golfers. And it's not as though D3 golf coaches at most schools spend 40 hours a week coaching the sport. It's basically a sinecure. It certainly doesn't get in the way of coaching the basketball team for either Brenegan at NPU or Giovanine at Augie, and I doubt that it interferes much with Joe Bean's soccer duties at Wheaton.

Greg, perhaps the soccer/golf combo sounds weird because until recently, golf was the essence of a culture white people sport... when I think golf, I still think middle-aged white men playing it while talking over business.Tiger Woods and his successors have done a lot to change that image, but it's still there, nevertheless. Soccer, while embraced by European countries as well, is the heart and soul of sports world in most Asia, Africa, and South American countries. When I was living in Ghana, in the poor neighborhood I lived in, it was soccer that the kids all played in front of the house nonstop at all hours. Just try to picture them practicing playing golf anyone can understand how silly that idea is.

Or to be a little more simplistic, it could just be that golf teams often play a few games in the middle of fall, right smack in the middle of the soccer season.  For a school like Wheaton, who prides itself in its soccer history, that is indeed a weird thing to have the soccer coach do.

After thinking about it, the reason why the soccer/golf combo sounded weird to me is because it flies in the face of the good-old-boy status quo in most of the D3 athletic departments with which I'm familiar. The Big Three (football, basketball, and baseball) are the established sports in D3, just as they are in the larger society (and that's not a coincidence), while soccer is the upstart. And, as you indicated, golf is the ultimate badge of the adult white male establishment. The most likely place for the confraternity of coaches in the Big Three sports to meet away from the playing field is on the golf course. CCIW basketball coaches golf together all the time. Wheaton's Bill Harris loves making fun of the unorthodox golf swing of Carthage's Bosko Djurickovic.

These old stereotypes are breaking down, and they never fit Wheaton anyway in that your alma mater has long had a love affair with soccer that was not requited by other schools (CCIW soccer was essentially Wheaton's private playpen until very recently). But given soccer's traditionally low position in the pecking order of most D3 athletic departments, the first thought would always be that the golf job would be given to a football or basketball guy. That's changing, but perceptions often change more slowly than the facts on the ground.

[oldknight]

"Sinecure." Wow Greg, using that obscure word is worthy of some good karma. What are you trying to do, give the MIAA board some style and class?

[ziggy]

My guess is that KVS would be watching Andy Venema, but that's pure speculation...

Veldhouse, Veltema, Veenstra, and Venema?  Add one more V name to the one already there and the other 3 potential and Calvin will could have a 5 V lineup!  And the roman numeral for 5 is V! The V Vs!

See what the offseason can do to people?

[Flying Dutch Fan]

My guess is that KVS would be watching Andy Venema, but that's pure speculation...

Veldhouse, Veltema, Veenstra, and Venema?  Add one more V name to the one already there and the other 3 potential and Calvin will could have a 5 V lineup!  And the roman numeral for 5 is V! The V Vs!

See what the offseason can do to people?

GROAN....  V V is right - as in very very bad   

[northb]

My guess is that KVS would be watching Andy Venema, but that's pure speculation...

Veldhouse, Veltema, Veenstra, and Venema?  Add one more V name to the one already there and the other 3 potential and Calvin will could have a 5 V lineup!  And the roman numeral for 5 is V! The V Vs!

See what the offseason can do to people?

maybe they could get t-shirts made with the Roman Numerals on the back   

[almcguirejr]

My guess is that KVS would be watching Andy Venema, but that's pure speculation...

Andy Venema has the talent to play in the MIAA.  If he is going to play for KVS(or anyone else for that matter) he is going to have to increase his effort and intensity
tenfold to survive.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

My guess is that KVS would be watching Andy Venema, but that's pure speculation...

Veldhouse, Veltema, Veenstra, and Venema?  Add one more V name to the one already there and the other 3 potential and Calvin will could have a 5 V lineup!  And the roman numeral for 5 is V! The V Vs!

See what the offseason can do to people?

How about a sixth V for the coach?

VIV