MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[formerd3db]

oldknight and FDF:

Please forgive me for jumping in on the middle of this discussion (I actually haven't followed it, so am just skimming the previous comments, and thus, might have the context slightly out of understanding).  Anyway, I'm assuming you are talking about transfers who would come in, say for example, the second semester of the school year (i.e. after holiday break) and potentially be put on the team.  If that is allowable, I can see your point.  Certainly, an argument could be made that it would not be fair to those as the roster has already been set.  Obviously, such a decision, again if legal, would be up to the coach.

I thought, however, that a school, the league, and as reality check mentioned in his previous post about the NCAA, all have some regulations in effect that might prohibit that i.e. doesn't a DIII school usually have a rule that relates a student-athlete has to be enrolled in the school for "x-number" of days or months or a semester before they are eligible to fully compete in a sport? (Again, we're limiting this to DIII and not with regard to DII or DI transfer rules regardless of up/down or lateral transfer situations).  I'm am just asking as I have not checked on the MIAA rules or Hope's or the other member school's policies on this yet - am just asking right off-hand in just seeing the current conversation/discussion comments.  Just curious.  Thanks.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

oldknight and FDF:

Please forgive me for jumping in on the middle of this discussion (I actually haven't followed it, so am just skimming the previous comments, and thus, might have the context slightly out of understanding).  Anyway, I'm assuming you are talking about transfers who would come in, say for example, the second semester of the school year (i.e. after holiday break) and potentially be put on the team.  If that is allowable, I can see your point.  Certainly, an argument could be made that it would not be fair to those as the roster has already been set.  Obviously, such a decision, again if legal, would be up to the coach.

I thought, however, that a school, the league, and as reality check mentioned in his previous post about the NCAA, all have some regulations in effect that might prohibit that i.e. doesn't a DIII school usually have a rule that relates a student-athlete has to be enrolled in the school for "x-number" of days or months or a semester before they are eligible to fully compete in a sport? (Again, we're limiting this to DIII and not with regard to DII or DI transfer rules regardless of up/down or lateral transfer situations).  I'm am just asking as I have not checked on the MIAA rules or Hope's or the other member school's policies on this yet - am just asking right off-hand in just seeing the current conversation/discussion comments.  Just curious.  Thanks.

A mid-season transfer is going to be disruptive no doubt - to what degree will vary.  There are folks on this site who were anti-transfer about Hope well before any mid-season transfer issues existed.

As to the NCAA DIII rules - it seems the only thing that is required is that the student be enrolled and have NCAA eligibility available.  DI and DII have different rules - requiring things like sitting out a year, etc.  DIII makes it very easy for a student to transfer, and keep playing.  I'm sure scholarships are the reason for the difference.

[Civic Minded]

Oh my stars, you guys are giving me a headache!  Who'da thought I'd spend more time today agreeing with Al Jr. than anyone else?  Watch it Al, your karma might go up!   

formerd3...I understand that you have no way of knowing this, but we've spent (wasted) more time discussing Hope's transfers and Hope's ONE midseason transfer than most of us can stomach any more.  You are entirely within your rights to ask to be brought up to speed, but know that many of us are bone tired of having it discussed.

And let's not forget, gentlemen, that Tyler Wolfe was heavily (and I mean heavily) recruited by Hope in his senior year of H.S.  He could have easily been at Hope for his freshman year.  I would imagine there are similar situations for some of the other transfers.  To hear some of you talk, you'd think Michael Jordan himself and 4 of his colleagues stepped "down" to D3 just to p*ss Calvin and Albion off.

(rant off)  On the off chance that I have misinterpreted the conversation....apologies in advance.   8)

[formerd3db]

Civic Minded:

My intention was not to stir up any controversy about this (in part since I assumed, or could tell from the previous postings there was some, shall we say, animosity or irritation about this topic of discussion).  Nor was it my intention to relate my opinion on the appropriateness, pros/cons, etc. of transfers at the DIII level, specifically in relation to bb concerning the topic at hand.

Rather, all I was intending to ask (find out, etc.) again, without having had a chance to look up Hope's, or the MIAA's rules/regulations about transfers, was if anyone knew specifically what these were.  I am also not trying to be negative to you regarding your reply post to me at all - just trying to clarify my inquiry.  And certainly, I can appreciate your having no desire to "re-discuss" these issues.

I will say, though, that I am quite sure that there are some DIII schools that do require a student to be enrolled for a certain period of time prior to their actual participation on any team (and not that they can just enroll full time that actual semester they actually start play).  Unfortunately, I am not at liberty to check which ones right now, but perhaps someone from another DIII school and/or conference might have that info readily available.

It appears that you guys get as intent in your discussions as we do at times over on the fb boards!

Anyway, no apologies necessary and as I mentioned, I did not take your reply as being a negative towards me.  Again, I just wanted to clarify my inquiry!  Thanks for listening all of you.

[knights2000]

I have no problem with Hope getting transfers. I can't say anything, because, well, as someone said earlier, Calvin got Shilts and Aultman, and rightfully so, they said that Calvin would not have won the MIAA tournament twice. I do agree that an in-season transfer should not be allowed on the bench. He wasn't there when everyone else was, trying out for the team. It's almost like giving away a spot just because he's a former DI player. In my opinion, you have to bring up a JVer to fill Evan Hare's spot, not just give it to a newcomer. He has to earn it, by being there for tryouts, and throughout the whole season. Do you really think he took a huge interest in Hope basketball in November? I'll be honest, I don't.

[albionfan]

I have a question for anyone but mostly Hopers. What was the deal with Mr. Tim Partridge that he transferred for the College of Charleston? Was he there for his first three years of collegiate basketball? I just dont understand why someone who is playing there for three years would want to transfer to Hope for his last season and pay 25 thousand dollars. I just seems like an interesting situation to me. If someone could fill me in I would be grateful.

IM OUT

[almcguirejr]

I have a question for anyone but mostly Hopers. What was the deal with Mr. Tim Partridge that he transferred for the College of Charleston? Was he there for his first three years of collegiate basketball? I just dont understand why someone who is playing there for three years would want to transfer to Hope for his last season and pay 25 thousand dollars. I just seems like an interesting situation to me. If someone could fill me in I would be grateful.

IM OUT

Tim Partridge was a walk on at the C of C.  He rarely played there.  I think the tuition
dollars would be about the same.

[knights2000]

also Hopers....

where did Evan Hare come from?
And am I correct in saying that Wolfe came from Ferris, VanderHeide came from Canisius, and Partridge came from the College of Charleston?

[MIdoubleA]

I have a question for anyone but mostly Hopers. What was the deal with Mr. Tim Partridge that he transferred for the College of Charleston? Was he there for his first three years of collegiate basketball? I just dont understand why someone who is playing there for three years would want to transfer to Hope for his last season and pay 25 thousand dollars. I just seems like an interesting situation to me. If someone could fill me in I would be grateful.

IM OUT

Partridge was on the team there for 2 years, not 3. As previously stated, he rarely played. And just for the record, it's about 28k 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Although by my name I am obviously a Michigander, my home board is the CCIW.  I'm having a bit of trouble understanding all this brouhaha over transfers.  Are people suggestnig that the decision of a 16-18 year-old should be a life-time commitment?

In terms of mid-season transfers, I understand the qualms, but we're not talking pre-school soccer here.  The best players are the ones who should play the most.  If a mid-season transfer is among the top 5 (and has learned the system and fits in that system), he should play; if there is dissent about that then either the players disagree with the coach about who the best players are (which would be a different post!), or else the source of the dissent is the demoted player, NOT the transfer.

If anyone disagrees with this analysis, please point out where I am mistaken, rather than simply further lowering my karma!

[almcguirejr]

also Hopers....

where did Evan Hare come from?

Evangel University in Missouri, a NAIA school

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Although by my name I am obviously a Michigander, my home board is the CCIW.  I'm having a bit of trouble understanding all this brouhaha over transfers.  Are people suggestnig that the decision of a 16-18 year-old should be a life-time commitment?

In terms of mid-season transfers, I understand the qualms, but we're not talking pre-school soccer here.  The best players are the ones who should play the most.  If a mid-season transfer is among the top 5 (and has learned the system and fits in that system), he should play; if there is dissent about that then either the players disagree with the coach about who the best players are (which would be a different post!), or else the source of the dissent is the demoted player, NOT the transfer.

If anyone disagrees with this analysis, please point out where I am mistaken, rather than simply further lowering my karma!

I couldn't agree with you more!

[Flying Dutch Fan]

My son and I watched the new Holland IBL team (the Blast) play their innaugural game last.  It was a great time.  Most surprising thing for me - Duane Bosma (31 years old) was one of, if not the best player on the floor.  He difinitely out hustled everyone else.   20 points, 13 boards, and several unbelievable no look assists. 

It was kind of surreal, back in the Civic Center - about 1500 fans - and watching Bosma and Chad Carlson play.

[goodknight]

My son and I watched the new Holland IBL team (the Blast) play their innaugural game last.  It was a great time.  Most surprising thing for me - Duane Bosma (31 years old) was one of, if not the best player on the floor.  He difinitely out hustled everyone else.   20 points, 13 boards, and several unbelievable no look assists. 

It was kind of surreal, back in the Civic Center - about 1500 fans - and watching Bosma and Chad Carlson play.

There's a blast from the past for you, FDF!
Just try to avoid becoming Civic Blinded.

[hopefan]

FDF  if you have a chance, can you list the roster for the Blast - maybe where the guys played in college?   I think with the popularity of D2 and D3 hoops in Western Michigan that the team could draw very well --  also, I see there is a team in GR - any familiar names on it?   Thanks for any info  -  tell the Blast they should start a web site!!