MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[NW Hope Fan]

gotta do what ya gotta do SBell...
And I'm not afraid to give you some positive Karma!

[wolverinekeith]

Shareef:

Is Koetsier finally expected to play after all his injury troubles?  It will certainly be an adjustment for him, after playing primarily down low in HS, and then not playing for largely two years.  But the dude certainly has talent. 

You really think Veltema's going to primarily be a 2?  I see him more as a 3, but I only saw him for about 1.5 games.  He certainly can shoot the lights out, though. 

[northb]

Just thought I'd passt his along. Brandon Voorhees will be attneding some NAIA D1 school in Kansas. I heard this today from a friend who had spoke with him the day before. The name of the school escaped him. With all the c-stone talk latly I thought some might like to know.

So what happened at C'stone-never saw much on this board about it, except some veiled references to something happening, but wanting to protect the reputation of some kids.  Can more be said without libeling anyone or giving away too much about an innocent kid?  Or should I show more Grace and drop it?

[Shareef23]

North,
      It was his choice to leave last year. I really don't feel like saying more, but it's complicated. And fear that my karma will drop even lower.

Wolverine,
      Veltema, IMO, is more of a three. But he will most likly play the two next year unless someone else comes in, which is certainly possible.
1. Veldhouse
2. Veltema
3. Zoerhoo
4. Bear, Mantal, Snoop
5. Meckes

That's how I see it shaping up right now, but who knows. And yes, at last notice Koetsier was planing on playing. He is certainly talent and tough. I hope he can still become the player that he once had the potential to become.

[Stinger]

I've not heard anything in terms of Kzoo's recruiting class as of yet.  Saw Coach Passage in Indy for the F4, and it was a tad early as financial packages weren't out yet.

Any help SBell?

Alway nice to see a H-town player listed. Chrisman is a nice player.

[Bob MacKenzie]

Now this one should be really good for some karma. I've heard there's an MIAA school that's tryiing to "rediscover" black basketball players after a 35-year hiatus ... for the cynical reason that a backlog of applicants at the school makes it harder to get financial aid for its typical recruit. But if it is a minority, voila!

Only one school that fits that description.  Would be very interesting to see...

[oldknight]

Just thought I'd passt his along. Brandon Voorhees will be attneding some NAIA D1 school in Kansas. I heard this today from a friend who had spoke with him the day before. The name of the school escaped him. With all the c-stone talk latly I thought some might like to know.

So what happened at C'stone-never saw much on this board about it, except some veiled references to something happening, but wanting to protect the reputation of some kids.  Can more be said without libeling anyone or giving away too much about an innocent kid?  Or should I show more Grace and drop it?

A fight broke out at practice last fall and it escalated into an altercation with one of Cornerstone's assistant coaches. In the aftermath, there was a meeting with Vorhees  and it didn't go well. Even Elders had enough of the shennanigans and he cut Vorhees loose. Let's just say Vorhees has anger managment issues. In the interest of full disclosure I will tell you that Vorhees is quoted in the paper as denying being involved in a fight but I am quite confident that the summary I just gave you is true. I have spoken with someone who was there when the altercation occured and I have confidence in my source. Now we can show some grace and drop it.

[oldknight]

Wolverine,
      Veltema, IMO, is more of a three. But he will most likly play the two next year unless someone else comes in, which is certainly possible.
1. Veldhouse
2. Veltema
3. Zoerhoo
4. Bear, Mantal, Snoop
5. Meckes

That's how I see it shaping up right now, but who knows. And yes, at last notice Koetsier was planing on playing. He is certainly talent and tough. I hope he can still become the player that he once had the potential to become.

I agree that the more obvious choice for Veltema is the 3 since that spot is being vacated by Draayer, a similar type player in the sense that both MV and Draayer have great range on their jumpers and pull the trigger quickly. But Veltema has better footspeed than Draayer and in his last year of high school ball Matt demonstrated a pretty good passing touch as well. He showed he had the ability to involve his teammates even though he was the focal point of Calvin Christian's offense. I know the 2 spot is considered the shooting guard but ball handling is important to that position as well and I think Veltema's ball handling is advanced enough to consider putting him at the 2, even if only for spot duty. I also hope Koetsier's health issues are behind him. You're right, he is a tough kid, a real warrior when I saw him play high school ball with pretty decent talent.

[wolverinekeith]

You guys are making me feel better about Veltema at the 2.  I'm a bit worried that he won't be able to check VanSolkema, but that's a problem for Hope on the other end too. 



Voorhees - Yeah I can confirm that fight in practice too.  He slugged an assistant, then blew off a private meeting with Elders, showed up a day later, and Elders said take a hike.  There was stuff before that which I know of all too, but we've gotten deep enough as it is.

[MIdoubleA]

You guys are making me feel better about Veltema at the 2. I'm a bit worried that he won't be able to check VanSolkema, but that's a problem for Hope on the other end too.

Maybe I am misunderstanding all of this... but VanSolkema is a 1, not a 2. If Veltema is gaurding anyone at the 2, it's going to be Cramer, Partridge, Wolfe, etc. I don't know much about this kid, but I'd be more scared of him not being able to defend Cramer than I would VanSolkema.

[oldknight]

You guys are making me feel better about Veltema at the 2. I'm a bit worried that he won't be able to check VanSolkema, but that's a problem for Hope on the other end too.

Maybe I am misunderstanding all of this... but VanSolkema is a 1, not a 2. If Veltema is gaurding anyone at the 2, it's going to be Cramer, Partridge, Wolfe, etc. I don't know much about this kid, but I'd be more scared of him not being able to defend Cramer than I would VanSolkema.

A lot of people have trouble guarding Cramer ( ), not just some future freshmen who hasn't yet proven he deserves a starting position.

[wolverinekeith]

Maybe I am misunderstanding all of this... but VanSolkema is a 1, not a 2. If Veltema is gaurding anyone at the 2, it's going to be Cramer, Partridge, Wolfe, etc. I don't know much about this kid, but I'd be more scared of him not being able to defend Cramer than I would VanSolkema.

My gut call is that Hope will start DVS, Wolfe, Cramer, VanderHeide and either Richardson or Hare next year.  Outside chance that Kratz starts over Wolfe. 

If Wolfe starts, I expect him to bring the ball up, though.  DVS is much more effective playing off the ball.  Both are really combo guards but Wolfe has a much better handle than DVS in my opinion.  In that case, I would expect Caleb to guard Wolfe (1 vs. 1), although KVS could switch it up on us. 

Zoerhof is pretty athletic.  His size advantage could help in trying to blanket Cramer. 

Really, there are matchup problems on both sides. 

[oldknight]

Maybe I am misunderstanding all of this... but VanSolkema is a 1, not a 2. If Veltema is gaurding anyone at the 2, it's going to be Cramer, Partridge, Wolfe, etc. I don't know much about this kid, but I'd be more scared of him not being able to defend Cramer than I would VanSolkema.

My gut call is that Hope will start DVS, Wolfe, Cramer, VanderHeide and either Richardson or Hare next year.  Outside chance that Kratz starts over Wolfe. 

If Wolfe starts, I expect him to bring the ball up, though.  DVS is much more effective playing off the ball.  Both are really combo guards but Wolfe has a much better handle than DVS in my opinion.  In that case, I would expect Caleb to guard Wolfe (1 vs. 1), although KVS could switch it up on us. 

Zoerhof is pretty athletic.  His size advantage could help in trying to blanket Cramer. 

Really, there are matchup problems on both sides. 

Now that's interesting; you're suggesting that Glenn start a 3 guard lineup next year.

I do agree that DVS is more of a 2 guard than a point but he can be effective at either position at the D3 level. I don't really see Wolfe as a point guard at all. Quite honestly I think Hope really has three 2 guards with Cramer the best of the bunch. I'm interested in feedback on this from Hope posters.

[dutchtrain]

Wolfe will not play the 1 ahead of DVS, and probably not at all.  DVS is better handling the ball, passing, and play making.  Wolfe was given an opportunity  to earn minutes at the point, but he is much better on the wing.  Many posters comment about DVS being more of a 2.  That might be true, but he spent significant time playing the 1 spot at EMU (although mostly in practice).   Hope has had success with offensively aggressive point guards (Elliott,  Brintnell, Holstege).   

[Shareef23]

The fight did go down. But I heard C-stone wanted him to sign something about improved attitude and such. And he said screw it. But who knows the exact details. I agree Hope will start three guards. That will be really fun to watch if they do. Unless, Calvin gets another kid in, I bet Veltema starts. He is better than Draayer right now. He is faster and thus will have a much easier time getting his shot off. He is much tougher to defend, because of this. That is some back court right there. I wouldn't mind hearing, Veldhouse and Veltema, for the next 3 years. Has a nice ring to it, eh?