MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Mr. Ypsi]

Mr Ypsi  -  I hope said graduating son is planning on attending one of the fine MIAA schools and not one of those "BIG" Michigan schools!!!!   congrats

Perhaps there are some fans of the big Michigan schools on the MIAA board? Dunno.

hopefan,

Although I did my grad work at UM, then taught at EMU for 32 years, I certainly would not smite someone for congratulating my son!  Here's some of your karma back.

I suspect it must not be tied to me because, ironically, my karma has finally risen back to neutral during the same time yours dropped.

[formerd3db]

Mr. Ypsi:
I agree with you.  I can't figure it out either re: the karma issue - baffling at times.

[hope1]

hope plays  calvin monday at holland christen at 6.30 for the summer league 

[MIdoubleA]

After careful consideration and monitoring of posts vs. karma count, I've come to the following conclusions:

* Any mention of any school will most likely result in -1 karma and +1 karma from each faction (for or against) of said school, no matter what you say. This is known as karma negation and occurs on a daily (or postly?) basis.

* Any further mention of any school in a derogatory manner results in -1 karma from its loyalists, and will only result in +1 karma from opposers if found comical. (Again, karma negation may occur)

* Any sort of pot shot or possible "joke" attempt made at either Calvin or Hope will immediately result in the loss of all of your karma, and may even drop you into the negative karma.

* Offensive words describing heritage or religious affiliation, such as "Dutch", "RCA" or "CRC" will result in the loss of double karma.

* Complaints concerning referees, athletic venues, or NCAA zoning rules will also result in -1 karma from disagreers and possibly +1 from agreers. Possibly.

There are two ways to build positive karma:

* The first is to find spelling and/or grammatical errors and relate them in some sort of way to butter (I have given you more than enough opportunities here).

* The second is to somehow fit into your post a picture of ketchup and mustard from Heinz.


With that being said, a perfect post should consist of prepositions,  general observations, and a few nondescriptive verbs. That is it.

For example:

"I listened to the basketball game today. It was an interesting game."

You must then proceed to withold all opinion, and attach previously mentioned condiment picture.

[Pat Coleman]

I would say this, too -- complaining about your karma often leads to more lost karma.

[Joe-Man]

Speaking of Karma, I heard that once you have 300 posts you can give and take away Karma, is that true?

[Flying Dutch Fan]

You gain the ability to give/take away karmaafter your 200th post.

You must then proceed to withold all opinion, and attach previously mentioned condiment picture.

There is of course another choice - one that I choose to use - just ignore your karma rating.   

[sac]

As for the rest of the schedule.......Pat should be amused 

That's too bad. 

I'll add that so far Hope has 14 "in-region" games now that Tri-State games count, plus Wheaton for 15............add in a couple MIAA Tournament games and the potential game with Calvin at VanAndel, Hope could reach 19.

They also have only 22 games scheduled so I believe this means they have 2 open dates which will certainly be home games since Hope only has 4 non-conf homers on the schedule.  One open date has to be before the Thanksgiving tournament, possibly both.

The invitees for the two Hope tournaments are pretty disappointing, although I like Goshen coming back, I thought they were a pretty good team.......the others however are very disappointing......one even made me think about North Park (sorry Greg  )




on a side note.........

England fans are looking for divine intervention to help Sven-Goran Eriksson and his team claim victory in Germany, report the Times.

According to the Church of England, visits to their website have increased by 28% after a prayer for the World Cup was posted.

The state of religion in the 21st Century? 

[Joe-Man]

You gain the ability to give/take away karmaafter your 200th post.

You must then proceed to withold all opinion, and attach previously mentioned condiment picture.

There is of course another choice - one that I choose to use - just ignore your karma rating.   

I'll try that. When I got negative Karma in my old account (I deleted it), It got me all nervous. But Ill try to just ignore it.

[Pat Coleman]

At least Tri-State counts as regional next year.

So I've heard.

[Joe-Man]

At least Tri-State counts as regional next year.

So I've heard.

How come you quoted your own post?

[Pat Coleman]

If you read sac's post it makes perfect sense in context for me to quote my own post.

[formerd3db]

sac:
I can see what you mean about the invitees for the home tournament.  I don't intend anything mean towards those teams, however, similar to the fb theory discussions about player better non-conference talent to assist a team for hopefully better showings in the playoffs on a consistant basis, don't you think that Hope needs to start scheduling some tougher teams for their limited non-conferenence basketball games?  Although those are early in the season, and the "usual" wins are nice padding to the "W" column, I can't imagine in the long run it wouldn't help.

On the other hand, I recall someone mentioned in the past regarding a similar discussion on the holiday tournament that overall attendance to it has a better chance of enhancement by scheduling area or close regional teams.  Still, if that is a premise, I can think of some tougher challenges perhaps than teams like Goshen.  Your thoughts?

[sac]

  Still, if that is a premise, I can think of some tougher challenges perhaps than teams like Goshen.  Your thoughts?

Actually Goshen was one of the better teams in the tournament last year I don't mind them coming back at all,  we can all think of better teams but they have to want to come to Holland too.  Its a two way street not some oneway paradise where Pat thinks you can pick and chose who you put on your schedule.   Hope has a very long history with its NAIA neighbors and I don't think they should throw that away just because someone with a misguided formula thinks they should.    There are only 2 teams on the schedule that bother me, the rest are familiar and again teams Hope always plays due to relationships off the basketball court.

I'm really not certain that Hope has alot of contol over who the Sentinel invites to the their Community tournament, that tournament seems to be the culprit in inviting some pretty mediocre teams since its inception and a past discussion I had with someone led me to believe Hope doesn't have a lot of say in that one, but I could be way wrong.

Most years the DeVette has at least one really good team.......John Carroll last year and Augustana the year before.


We could go on and on debating tougher schedules vs w's but nothing prepares an MIAA team for the post-season better than the MIAA season.  Football I believe is a different animal since a) the MIAA is not very good relative to its regional competitors and b) you play such a limited number of games vs basketball.

[formerd3db]

sac:
Some valid points.  Indeed, basketball is a different animan as compared to fb in the context were discussing.  Certainly, Hope has kept up good relationships with teams they have historically played whether it is in their tournament or single regular season non-conference games.  There is nothing wrong with that and it is neat to see that continue.

As far as the other tournament re: the Sentinel, that is understandable and obviously their (Sentinel's) perogative with regard to inviting who they want.

As you mention, the MIAA regular season has demonstrated to be a very tough challenge and those who end up as the top contenders do gain great preparation for the NCAA tourney (i.e. whoever wins the AQ although in this year's case a bonus in getting a second team in via the "at large" selection).
I agree with you that as to the remainder of the season's schedule it is difficult to determine if and/or just how much it would benefit Hope (or other teams) by playing some upper tier teams from other close by regions; for one reason, there are limited remaining slots available for that, so it could be argued that one or two single games wouldn't have the "desired" effect.  On the other hand, one could argue it might - take for example the case of MSU in the Big Ten and what Izzo has planned in that regard over the recent years.

And finally, if one holds to the opinion that it doesn't matter (and I'm not saying you are wrong by any means), then a case could be made for what of us discussed in the past about playing an occasional game against a DII or DI team (like Hope does occasionally against GVSU or Albion did last year against EMU, etc. granted Hope playing the scholarship NAIA's as you point out) - it shouldn't matter then, even if they get hammered. 

Overall, I would venture to say that it basically comes down to when a team "peaks" i.e. hits its hot streak, as has been demonstrated particularly this year by Hope, the Pistons and the Red Wings.  If you peak at the wrong time, you lose!  Thanks for your opinions on this - interesting discussion.