MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[northb]

Never thought I'd see that much of a one sided game! 

On the topic of what is appropriate from the fans and what is not.  I recall being in the student section prior to the Dew Crew and yelling "Sterile Darrell" at a Calvin player.  I believe that was '94 and I'm not sure who the Calvin player's last name was.  Let me apologize for my actions now!  At any rate some fans can get unruly and say things which they normally wouldn't.  Usually there is someone there with half a brain and puts an end to something tasteless.  The MIAA fans usually are tops in being creative w/o being insulting.  Lets hope that doesn't change.

Van Larre was the last name, not sure of the spelling.  He was a  good player, but had to fill the impossibly big shoes of Honderd.  Van Larre never really got the respect he deserved.

[HopeConvert]

I'm leaking karma 

Adrian seems up from last year. I can't speak to Olivet or K-zoo, but Albion is clearly down, Calvin is down, Tri-state is down. Don't really know about Alma either. Hope - I don't know. It is a different team than it was last year, and I'm not sure it is likely to be a better tournament team. I still think given Calvin's youth that this is a team that can gel and get on a run.

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I'm leaking karma 

Adrian seems up from last year. I can't speak to Olivet or K-zoo, but Albion is clearly down, Calvin is down, Tri-state is down. Don't really know about Alma either. Hope - I don't know. It is a different team than it was last year, and I'm not sure it is likely to be a better tournament team. I still think given Calvin's youth that this is a team that can gel and get on a run.

Calvin's run would have to carry through for a conference tournament championship if they want a national tournament bid.  If Hope wins the MIAA tourney there will definately be no Pool C for the runner up.  If Hope doesn't win the automatic bid, I'm not sure they make pool C either.  That would mean at least 3 region losses (Wheaton and Carthage count for them) and given the records of the other MIAA teams, Hope probably won't have an as impressive of a QoWI as you would expect out the MIAA runner up.

[realist]

Flash:  If memory serves correctly Darrel Van Laar is the player you are mentioning.  6'7" about 235 lbs. from Canada.  Came to Calvin as a project, but got to understudy Hondo for several years.  Was most improved player for Calvin in 93-95 range.  Typical of most MIAA players he was/is a good young man.
HC:  I feel your pain.  Guess even with trying to choose your words carefully you risk offending someone.  My point with Cramer, and DVS is, it is nice to see Hope has a number of players ready, willing, and able to be "go to" guys in tight games.    
Sac;  As fans most of us can relate to not wanting to build our hopes up too much.  However, this year it seems to me the team goals for Hope should be. Win MIAA,  home court for MIAA tourney, and championship, and a deep run in the big dance.  Keep playing until you make a better team best you!

[HopeConvert]

I'm leaking karma 

Adrian seems up from last year. I can't speak to Olivet or K-zoo, but Albion is clearly down, Calvin is down, Tri-state is down. Don't really know about Alma either. Hope - I don't know. It is a different team than it was last year, and I'm not sure it is likely to be a better tournament team. I still think given Calvin's youth that this is a team that can gel and get on a run.

Calvin's run would have to carry through for a conference tournament championship if they want a national tournament bid.  If Hope wins the MIAA tourney there will definately be no Pool C for the runner up.  If Hope doesn't win the automatic bid, I'm not sure they make pool C either.  That would mean at least 3 region losses (Wheaton and Carthage count for them) and given the records of the other MIAA teams, Hope probably won't have an as impressive of a QoWI you would expect out the MIAA runner up.

I had wondered about that. Calvin would definitely need to win the tournament to get in. As for Hope, I wonder about that. With only three losses you'd still think they would get in (assuming they would otherwise win out). Then again, I'm still trying to figure out the whole bid system.

[HopeConvert]

Flash:  If memory serves correctly Darrel Van Laar is the player you are mentioning.  6'7" about 235 lbs. from Canada.  Came to Calvin as a project, but got to understudy Hondo for several years.  Was most improved player for Calvin in 93-95 range.  Typical of most MIAA players he was/is a good young man.
HC:  I feel your pain.  Guess even with trying to choose your words carefully you risk offending someone.  My point with Cramer, and DVS is, it is nice to see Hope has a number of players ready, willing, and able to be "go to" guys in tight games.   
Sac;  As fans most of us can relate to not wanting to build our hopes up too much.  However, this year it seems to me the team goals for Hope should be. Win MIAA,  home court for MIAA tourney, and championship, and a deep run in the big dance.  Keep playing until you make a better team best you!

I thought that was missing last year from Hope: someone who would take over a game at the end. It was almost as if they had too many options and got paralyzed by that, whereas for Calvin Trewhella seemed to be a guy who would take the ball at the end of games (Veldhouse notwithstanding). I think Calvin really misses him. He was a gutsy player.

[SKOT]

If Hope doesn't win the automatic bid, I'm not sure they make pool C either.  That would mean at least 3 region losses (Wheaton and Carthage count for them) and given the records of the other MIAA teams, Hope probably won't have an as impressive of a QoWI as you would expect out the MIAA runner up.

D3hoops.com doesn't list the Carthage game as "in region."  Does anyone know why that is?  I know it has counted in the past.  We might just have to wait until the first regional rankings come out to know for sure...  Assuming Hope wins out until the tourney, would only 2 in region losses make a difference? 

[sac]

Carthage is not an in-region game for Hope.

Al---my only  point was really that I think Hope should be getting more credit for their defense, I'm well aware of where this years sched ranks with last year.  Weaker schedule or not you have to be iimpressed with a 7% improvement in 3 point shooting and 4 more per game.--that is all.


Hopeconvert---your karma will fare better if you change your handle to something like Calvinconvert, or Calvinisawesome or IloveCalvin

[Flying Dutch Fan]

If Hope doesn't win the automatic bid, I'm not sure they make pool C either.  That would mean at least 3 region losses (Wheaton and Carthage count for them) and given the records of the other MIAA teams, Hope probably won't have an as impressive of a QoWI as you would expect out the MIAA runner up.

D3hoops.com doesn't list the Carthage game as "in region."  Does anyone know why that is?  I know it has counted in the past.  We might just have to wait until the first regional rankings come out to know for sure...  Assuming Hope wins out until the tourney, would only 2 in region losses make a difference? 

As sac correctly pointed out - Carthage is not an in-region game.  So your question is an interesting one.  If Hope doesn't lose until the MIAA tournament Championship game (or even the semi's), do they get a pool C.  I think the answer is yes, but of course I'm a little biased.  What do others think?

[sac]

see Hopeconvert it took exactly 3 minutes for my karma to go down by makeing an astute observation

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If Hope doesn't win the automatic bid, I'm not sure they make pool C either.  That would mean at least 3 region losses (Wheaton and Carthage count for them) and given the records of the other MIAA teams, Hope probably won't have an as impressive of a QoWI as you would expect out the MIAA runner up.

D3hoops.com doesn't list the Carthage game as "in region."  Does anyone know why that is?  I know it has counted in the past.  We might just have to wait until the first regional rankings come out to know for sure...  Assuming Hope wins out until the tourney, would only 2 in region losses make a difference? 

As sac correctly pointed out - Carthage is not an in-region game.  So your question is an interesting one.  If Hope doesn't lose until the MIAA tournament Championship game (or even the semi's), do they get a pool C.  I think the answer is yes, but of course I'm a little biased.  What do others think?

I think it is obvious that they should but I don't know how much a good record will be offset by what I anticipate to be a pretty weak QoWI.  We won't know for sure until the first numbers come out, which I believe should be this week.  Hope should be rooting for probably 2 other teams to get hot because the QoWI is a moving target.  Its not where a team was when you beat them, its where they are in the present.  If the MIAA remains a jumbled mess of mediocre records, Hope might be done it if they have to rely on an at large bid.

[sac]

Hope's QOWI going into Adrian was 8.67 I believe or something close, I figured it out on the NCAC board last week.  The Adrian game helped, I think for now thats a 13 point win.

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Hope's QOWI going into Adrian was 8.67 I believe or something close, I figured it out on the NCAC board last week.  The Adrian game helped, I think for now thats a 13 point win.

That score won't crack the top 100 nationally, that could be their stumbling block.  I don't have a case to study against so I really have no idea how it would play out.  This is starting to feel a little too BCS-ish for me.

[oldknight]

Never thought I'd see that much of a one sided game! 

On the topic of what is appropriate from the fans and what is not.  I recall being in the student section prior to the Dew Crew and yelling "Sterile Darrell" at a Calvin player.  I believe that was '94 and I'm not sure who the Calvin player's last name was.  Let me apologize for my actions now!  At any rate some fans can get unruly and say things which they normally wouldn't.  Usually there is someone there with half a brain and puts an end to something tasteless.  The MIAA fans usually are tops in being creative w/o being insulting.  Lets hope that doesn't change.

Van Larre was the last name, not sure of the spelling.  He was a  good player, but had to fill the impossibly big shoes of Honderd.  Van Larre never really got the respect he deserved.

Flash:  If memory serves correctly Darrel Van Laar is the player you are mentioning.  6'7" about 235 lbs. from Canada.  Came to Calvin as a project, but got to understudy Hondo for several years.  Was most improved player for Calvin in 93-95 range.  Typical of most MIAA players he was/is a good young man.

The name is Darrell Van Laare and he was a bruiser. I believe he went on to play briefly in the French pro league for Feurs which I think is the same team for whom Dan Aultman now plays.

[sac]

VanLaare had some help with Chris Knoester at gaurd, did he also play with Ryan Stevens?  I also remember Rob Orange being a decent player around that time.