MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[CalvinChelseaMom]

Hey BasketBallMom, the "2 messages" should be highlighted.  Just click on that.  That should take you to your messages.   

[HopeConvert]

CC Mom -

Just playing with you.  Here's to "Hopeing" your younger sons' favorite colors are orange/blue not maroon/gold.

If their near as talented as their older brother, the Mantel name may be a fixture on this board for the next decade or so.

I believe that John will have a very strong career at Calvin.  There were times during both the Hope and Albion games that he showed the intensity and determination of a SR or JR.  If there are younger Mantels and they play anything like John, they will ALWAYS be welcome at Calvin. (even if they don't play ball it would be better to see them in Maroon and Gold than orange and blue)

Of course, if they are good students and fine young people they are ALWAYS welcome at Hope, regardless of their basketball skills. I could make a crack about Calvin's admission standards, because you have to be at least a little suspicious of a school that would admit someone like me, but that is clearly beneath the spirit of this board.

[Stinger]

Question:  Is it unprecedented that a player's parent openly posts on this board? I can't recall another time that this has happend on the MIAA board.

Making the trek to Knollcrest tomorrow.  K is going to have to play out of their gourds to get the win. But who knows, it's why we play, no?   I'll be looking forward to a couple pre game pops at Ucellos or the MAC (can't remember the name of the place there). 

Oh, and Calvin fans, there are 4500+ seats, Im sure you'll be able to find seats outside of the visitors section.

[oldknight]

Hmmm...Section 7..interesting points.  Got me wondering if I have an "apology" complex or something.  Checked out my posts and only found one apology (made most recently).  Not sure about BasketBall Mom.  But hey, I apologize if I'm over-apologizing.     I try to keep a healthy balance...you know, apologize when I'm wrong, be humble when I'm not.  As our church motto states:

In Essentials, Unity
In Non-Essentials, Liberty
In All Things, Charity

That can apply to all areas of life.

Wow; quoting St Augustine himself. That's one way to try and class up this board. And there's no need to apologize for that.

[oldknight]

Question:  Is it unprecedented that a player's parent openly posts on this board? I can't recall another time that this has happend on the MIAA board.

Almost as unprecedented as postings by former players isn't it?

[NW Hope Fan]

Oh, and Calvin fans, there are 4500+ seats, Im sure you'll be able to find seats outside of the visitors section.

I thought you only had this issue with Hope fans... Apparently neither group can smell the "marked territory" 

[Gregory Sager]

Hmmm...Section 7..interesting points.  Got me wondering if I have an "apology" complex or something.  Checked out my posts and only found one apology (made most recently).  Not sure about BasketBall Mom.  But hey, I apologize if I'm over-apologizing.     I try to keep a healthy balance...you know, apologize when I'm wrong, be humble when I'm not.  As our church motto states:

In Essentials, Unity
In Non-Essentials, Liberty
In All Things, Charity

That can apply to all areas of life.

Wow; quoting St Augustine himself. That's one way to try and class up this board. And there's no need to apologize for that.

It's a common misconception that the Bishop of Hippo is the originator of that maxim. However, it appears nowhere in Augustine's writings -- and as much as he might've felt that way in his heart, the sentiment doesn't really conform to his stated doctrinal and ecclesiological beliefs. The "In essentials, unity ..." saying, which is known in German as the Friedenspruch (Peace Saying), is actually attributable to an obscure seventeenth-century Lutheran theologian and pastor in Germany named Peter Meiderlin (aka Rupertus Meldenius). The saying was popularized in the English-speaking world by the renowned English Puritan writer Richard Baxter, who dutifully attributed the Friedenspruche aphorism to Meiderlin.

[CalvinChelseaMom]

Question:  Is it unprecedented that a player's parent openly posts on this board? I can't recall another time that this has happend on the MIAA board.

Still not sure if I'm doing this "quoting" thing right!  I hope it's not unprecedented or illegal or anything like that!     I do refrain from discussion about John's play, status, rank, etc., both to be respectful to John and to keep an objective perspective.  I've been involved in forums over the years (like Bank Hoops), because I have players and I love to keep up on the game in the local (statewide) area.

It's a common misconception that the Bishop of Hippo is the originator of that maxim. However, it appears nowhere in Augustine's writings -- and as much as he might've felt that way in his heart, the sentiment doesn't really conform to his stated doctrinal and ecclesiological beliefs. The "In essentials, unity ..." saying, which is known in German as the Friedenspruch (Peace Saying), is actually attributable to an obscure sixteenth-century Lutheran theologian and pastor in Germany named Peter Meiderlin (aka Rupertus Meldenius). The saying was popularized in the English-speaking world by the renowned English Puritan writer Richard Baxter, who dutifully attributed the Friedenspruche aphorism to Meiderlin.

Yes, you're right.  Others can read about this at http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/jod/augustine/quote.html.

One of my favorite quotes by Augustine is "Love God and do as you please."  To quote him fairly, "Who can be good, if not made so by loving?" and "If you but love God you may do as you incline."  Phillip Yancey adds, "He was entirely serious.  A person who truly loves God will be inclined to please God which is why Jesus and Paul both summed up the entire law in the simple command, "Love God."

Back to the Essentials quote.  It's a beautiful "doctrine."  The big challenge for me is not to make everything an "Essential!" 

[Stinger]

Question:  Is it unprecedented that a player's parent openly posts on this board? I can't recall another time that this has happend on the MIAA board.

Almost as unprecedented as postings by former players isn't it?

Touché, Old Knight. Though, I think it's safe to say that that is hardly uncommon.  I have no problem with it, and hope I didn't imply that I did.   I think it brings an interesting dynamic.   I was just curious.

CCMom, I enjoy reading your posts.  Please keep em coming.

Oh, and Calvin fans, there are 4500+ seats, Im sure you'll be able to find seats outside of the visitors section.

I thought you only had this issue with Hope fans... Apparently neither group can smell the "marked territory" 

GK/BK,  it happens at the Fieldhouse as well.  I guess it's just an annoying fact that we bottom 6 have to live with.   I wish SpartanFever were here, we always has a good laugh about this...

[oldknight]

Hmmm...Section 7..interesting points.  Got me wondering if I have an "apology" complex or something.  Checked out my posts and only found one apology (made most recently).  Not sure about BasketBall Mom.  But hey, I apologize if I'm over-apologizing.     I try to keep a healthy balance...you know, apologize when I'm wrong, be humble when I'm not.  As our church motto states:

In Essentials, Unity
In Non-Essentials, Liberty
In All Things, Charity

That can apply to all areas of life.

Wow; quoting St Augustine himself. That's one way to try and class up this board. And there's no need to apologize for that.

It's a common misconception that the Bishop of Hippo is the originator of that maxim. However, it appears nowhere in Augustine's writings -- and as much as he might've felt that way in his heart, the sentiment doesn't really conform to his stated doctrinal and ecclesiological beliefs. The "In essentials, unity ..." saying, which is known in German as the Friedenspruch (Peace Saying), is actually attributable to an obscure seventeenth-century Lutheran theologian and pastor in Germany named Peter Meiderlin (aka Rupertus Meldenius). The saying was popularized in the English-speaking world by the renowned English Puritan writer Richard Baxter, who dutifully attributed the Friedenspruche aphorism to Meiderlin.

To be fair it must be admitted that the quote seems to have an unclear provenance. But the well respected Anglican clergyman and scholar, John R. W. Stott (Rector Emeritus of All Souls Church, London, and former Chaplain to Queen Elizabeth II), does trace the quote's history to the former Bishop of Hippo. Stott bases the history from a very similar--but not identical--passage in Augustine's book City of God which says "In truth, unity; in doubtful things, liberty; in all things, charity." [Since my personally autographed, first edition, Latin language copy of this tome is not handy at the moment I will tell you I haven't fact checked Stott's statement but as well respected as Stott is I feel pretty confident]. See www.episcopalian.org/efac/articles/essentials.html

Augustine's thought was taken up and modified by 17th century clergy and has become the familiar quotation we know it as today. This is something that  happens often in literature--even biblical passages get oft changed by usage. One of the most common misquotations is the telescoped quotation "Pride goes before a fall" which actually reads "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18 (King James Version)

There ends our Ancient Religious Literature Interim class for 2007. Thank you all for coming. Class dismissed.

[KnightSlappy]

Wednesday wins by Calvin, Hope, and Adrian would set a three way tie for second between the Knights, the Bulldogs, and the Thunder.  If this happens, it should be a very interesting second half race for second.  (A Tri-State win over Hope would make things very interesting, but I dont see that happening)

[CalvinChelseaMom]

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To be fair it must be admitted that the quote seems to have an unclear provenance. But the well respected Anglican clergyman and scholar, John R. W. Stott (Rector Emeritus of All Souls Church, London, and former Chaplain to Queen Elizabeth II), does trace the quote's history to the former Bishop of Hippo. Stott bases the history from a very similar--but not identical--passage in Augustine's book City of God which says "In truth, unity; in doubtful things, liberty; in all things, charity." [Since my personally autographed, first edition, Latin language copy of this tome is not handy at the moment I will tell you I haven't fact checked Stott's statement but as well respected as Stott is I feel pretty confident]. See www.episcopalian.org/efac/articles/essentials.html

Augustine's thought was taken up and modified by 17th century clergy and has become the familiar quotation we know it as today. This is something that  happens often in literature--even biblical passages get oft changed by usage. One of the most common misquotations is the telescoped quotation "Pride goes before a fall" which actually reads "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18 (King James Version)

There ends our Ancient Religious Literature Interim class for 2007. Thank you all for coming. Class dismissed.
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Thanks, Old Night.  My previous post of, "Yep.  Your're right" referred to the controversy.  Thanks for presenting "the rest of the story."

Will you be at the Calvin game tonight?  I have a rehearsal for an upcoming concert.  I'll have to listen in if I get home early enough.

[realist]

Rest assured CCM is far from the first parent to post here in the last 8 years.
Who knew we should have kept those religon text books instead of selling them used for a few measly cents on the dollar?

[goodknight]

Question:  Is it unprecedented that a player's parent openly posts on this board? I can't recall another time that this has happend on the MIAA board.

Almost as unprecedented as postings by former players isn't it?

Touché, Old Knight. Though, I think it's safe to say that that is hardly uncommon.  I have no problem with it, and hope I didn't imply that I did.   I think it brings an interesting dynamic.   I was just curious.

CCMom, I enjoy reading your posts.  Please keep em coming.

In the Don "Diesel" Overbeek era at Hope, it was thought that a father of a player was a regular poster -- but he was never open about it, and for all I know it may have been idle and uninformed speculation (which almost never happens on this site.)  

I think it's great to have former players on board, stinger, and CCMom has been a delightful voice to put in the mix, as well.  

[northb]

Hmmm...Section 7..interesting points.  Got me wondering if I have an "apology" complex or something.  Checked out my posts and only found one apology (made most recently).  Not sure about BasketBall Mom.  But hey, I apologize if I'm over-apologizing.     I try to keep a healthy balance...you know, apologize when I'm wrong, be humble when I'm not.  As our church motto states:

In Essentials, Unity
In Non-Essentials, Liberty
In All Things, Charity

That can apply to all areas of life.

Wow; quoting St Augustine himself. That's one way to try and class up this board. And there's no need to apologize for that.

It's a common misconception that the Bishop of Hippo is the originator of that maxim. However, it appears nowhere in Augustine's writings -- and as much as he might've felt that way in his heart, the sentiment doesn't really conform to his stated doctrinal and ecclesiological beliefs. The "In essentials, unity ..." saying, which is known in German as the Friedenspruch (Peace Saying), is actually attributable to an obscure seventeenth-century Lutheran theologian and pastor in Germany named Peter Meiderlin (aka Rupertus Meldenius). The saying was popularized in the English-speaking world by the renowned English Puritan writer Richard Baxter, who dutifully attributed the Friedenspruche aphorism to Meiderlin.

To be fair it must be admitted that the quote seems to have an unclear provenance. But the well respected Anglican clergyman and scholar, John R. W. Stott (Rector Emeritus of All Souls Church, London, and former Chaplain to Queen Elizabeth II), does trace the quote's history to the former Bishop of Hippo. Stott bases the history from a very similar--but not identical--passage in Augustine's book City of God which says "In truth, unity; in doubtful things, liberty; in all things, charity." [Since my personally autographed, first edition, Latin language copy of this tome is not handy at the moment I will tell you I haven't fact checked Stott's statement but as well respected as Stott is I feel pretty confident]. See www.episcopalian.org/efac/articles/essentials.html

Augustine's thought was taken up and modified by 17th century clergy and has become the familiar quotation we know it as today. This is something that  happens often in literature--even biblical passages get oft changed by usage. One of the most common misquotations is the telescoped quotation "Pride goes before a fall" which actually reads "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18 (King James Version)

There ends our Ancient Religious Literature Interim class for 2007. Thank you all for coming. Class dismissed.

I heard that we have the most interesting board in the entire D3sports.com forum.